Nagato and EMS Sasuke vs BM Naruto

[NSUNSR]

--PS slashes are blocked by the tails of the kurama avatar, as once they are blocked, naruto fires off TBB barrages and eradicates PS and the duo turns to paste

The tails get absorbed by Nagato, and they will get cut eventually. TBBs are no problem for Perfect Susanoo. imperfect Susanoo already tanked just fine a TBB form 100% Kurama.

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Kurama had to be protected implying that PS durability > Kurama's durability.

--Sasukes PS is not tanking Narutos firepower, nor is Nagato absorbing them with preta, before the TBB collide and blow him up, and him absorbing this much energy is no limits fallacy at its finest,

Look above, and Nagato absorbs the TBB's just fine. The explosion is also made out of chakra.

--having the clones to outnumber the duo, and their ability to fire off COFRS, and BDR overwhelms the duo as well

Clones get eradicated by PS slashes or by Shinra Tensei. All of their attacks are chakra, so Nagato absorbs everything just fine.

 

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Naruto solos.

 

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Nagato solos.

Naruto solos.

Something isn't adding up here

 

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Naruto wins.

 

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Sasuke solos.

 

[ARGUS]

The tails get absorbed by Nagato, and they will get cut eventually. TBBs are no problem for Perfect Susanoo. imperfect Susanoo already tanked just fine a TBB form 100% Kurama.

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Kurama had to be protected implying that PS durability > Kurama's durability.

Too bad that Kurama Avatar >>>>>> Full Kurama in terms of everything,

and that wasnt imprerfect susanoo, it was full PS that tanked the TBB,
seeing how kurama was completely unharmed and covered before any damage was dealt, implying that PS tanked the TBB,

and nagato attempting to absorb the tails whilst sasuke is swinging his PS blade would just hurt him more than naruto, since he himself is nowhere near as durable as the kurama avatar,

Look above, and Nagato absorbs the TBB's just fine. The explosion is also made out of chakra.

he can absorb one TBB, sure,
but when naruto can continously form TBB, and fire them towards nagato, would result in the TBBs colliding and nagato getting killed before he absorbs the enormous explosion,
him being able to absorb everything is also a no limits fallacy,

furthermore the kurama roar coounters preta path hard, he would get pushed back several meters away, allowing naruto to kill him,

Clones get eradicated by PS slashes or by Shinra Tensei. All of their attacks are chakra, so Nagato absorbs everything just fine.

Nope, Nagato absorbing everything is a joke
Sasukes PS is not doing shit against narutos firepower,

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and a PS slash is the strongest offense that sasuke has, meaning that its not doing shit to naruto,

as for the clones,

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so they can still fire off their moves,

 

[TRE MERCER]

--PS slashes are blocked by the tails of the kurama avatar, as once they are blocked, naruto fires off TBB barrages and eradicates PS and the duo turns to paste

--His PS being featless whic is the only thing going on for sasuke just makes this worse

--Sasukes PS is not tanking Narutos firepower, nor is Nagato absorbing them with preta, before the TBB collide and blow him up, and him absorbing this much energy is no limits fallacy at its finest,

--having the clones to outnumber the duo, and their ability to fire off COFRS, and BDR overwhelms the duo as well

Kurama tails isn't taking Ps slashes.. TBB barrage get sent back via shockwave or FSST... Madara regular Susanooo showed no superior durability or offence compared to Sasuke so why would his PS? Don't need to Bijuudama's when they can deflect them... Amaterasu lights the Kurama avatar seeing as it's far to big to dodge it... This will force Naruto out of his Kurama avatar and then Sasuke proceeds to kill him via shockwaves clones are useless when Nagato could simply use his summonings to stall them or FSST etc...

 

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[LuckyMan]

Naruto and Minato win. EMS Sasuke has no PS. Is Nagato cripple? Either way they both get beaten mid-high difficulty.

 

[ARGUS]

Kurama tails isn't taking Ps slashes..

Umm yes it is,

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TBB barrage get sent back via shockwave or FSST...

That will just get the TBB to explode, which iss still suffficient enough to breach PS

Madara regular Susanooo showed no superior durability or offence compared to Sasuke so why would his PS? Don't need to Bijuudama's when they can deflect them...

Too bad that PS cant deflect the TBB since the shockwave will just cause the TBB to explode, and cause damage to his own PS,
and breach it,

and there is still a difference between their susanoos,
when it took a

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Tsunades hits alone have been stated to be superior to Ay, added to the fact that it also took the efforts of Ay and onoki to breach his susanooo, leads to the conclusion that madaras susanoo are stronger,

and as for PS, maadaras PS has 2 blades as opposed to sasuke only having one,
the blades are where the main offense of PS comes from, so madaras PS is obviously superior,

Amaterasu lights the Kurama avatar seeing as it's far to big to dodge it...

Amaterasu is shat on just how naruto did in canon, by using the chakra to extract the flames away
or the kurama avatar can just use its tails to repel the flames away, just how it did in canon,
especially when V1 cloak alone managed to repel the juubi sized katons away, amaterasu would be no different

This will force Naruto out of his Kurama avatar

No it wont, amaterasu is not doing shit

and then Sasuke proceeds to kill him via shockwaves clones are useless when Nagato could simply use his summonings to stall them or FSST etc...

Lol, Naruto dyiing to PS shockwaves is a joke, when his avatar tanked the juubi beam,

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not to mention that TBB vaporise mountains to paste, whereas PS slashes (AT MOST) cut mountain tops,
the output require to vaporise a mountain is much higher than just cutting its tops, therefore concluding that TBB > PS slashes
and the kurama avatar has shown to match not one, but 5 bijuus in firepower,

Sasukes PS is never tanking such firepower,

and as for nagatos summonings, Lol they are garbage, they just get vaporised in the cross fire, dont even know why u mention that

 

[NSUNSR]

Too bad that Kurama Avatar >>>>>> Full Kurama in terms of everything,

No, it doesn't.

and that wasnt imprerfect susanoo, it was full PS that tanked the TBB,

Yes, it was Imperfect Susanoo, this scan is more clear.

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seeing how kurama was completely unharmed and covered before any damage was dealt, implying that PS tanked the TBB,

What are you tryin to prove with this? Madara's Susanoo had to protect Kurama, meaning that Imperfect Susanoo's durability > Kurama's durability. Why else would Madara defend Kurama?

and nagato attempting to absorb the tails whilst sasuke is swinging his PS blade would just hurt him more than naruto, since he himself is nowhere near as durable as the kurama avatar,

You are right here.

he can absorb one TBB, sure,
but when naruto can continously form TBB, and fire them towards nagato, would result in the TBBs colliding and nagato getting killed before he absorbs the enormous explosion,
him being able to absorb everything is also a no limits fallacy,

Actually no.

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, so the explosion isn't getting to him.

furthermore the kurama roar coounters preta path hard, he would get pushed back several meters away, allowing naruto to kill him,

Shinra Tensei counters the roar. Sasuke can protect him, and finally Nagato can levitate normally while in the air.

Nope, Nagato absorbing everything is a joke

How exactly? CFRS, FRS or TBB - they all get absorbed, until Nagato has chakra - which he will constantly regain.

Sasukes PS is not doing shit against narutos firepower,

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Different PS and different Kurama Avatar. Kurama's tail get cut off by PS slashes eventually.

as for the clones,

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so they can still fire off their moves,

Good Point, but their attacks are even weaker than TBB so how are they helping. Not to mention, that this means that Naruto will have to seperate his chakra to all of the clones evenly.

 

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BM Naruto soloes, BM Minato soloes.

 

[ARGUS]

No, it doesn't.

actually it does,
in terms of offense the

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is not that far ahead of the

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whereas the kurama avatar matched not one but 5 bijuu with its TBB,
its clear that the avatar is far above full kyuubi interms of offense

and in terms of defense,

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to a point where it didnt even get up for a few seconds,
the kurama avatar on the other hand tanked the juubi beam,

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(where only one TBB from it is strong enough to stalemate a bomb from 5 bijuu)

the gap in offense and durability is immense,

Yes, it was Imperfect Susanoo, this scan is more clear.

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What are you tryin to prove with this? Madara's Susanoo had to protect Kurama, meaning that Imperfect Susanoo's durability > Kurama's durability. Why else would Madara defend Kurama?

The imperfect susanoo only managed to tank the impact of the Bomb,
the main attack was tanked by PS because otherwise kurama would have been atleast damaged by the bomb,

and the fact that we see PS armoring Kyuubi right after the smoke is cleared, is clearly evident that full PS tanked the TBB,

and kurama avatars durability >>>> full kuramaas, so that wont help you here

You are right here.


Actually no.

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, so the explosion isn't getting to him.

It leaves him wide open for naruto to attack him,
and again, the explosion just makes this worse since itll take longer for preta to absorb the explosion then the bomb itself,

nagato is also getting affected by the shockwave of the TBB, and again, ur using NLF here

Shinra Tensei counters the roar. Sasuke can protect him, and finally Nagato can levitate normally while in the air.

ok, but how exactly is nagatos levitation helping him here?

How exactly? CFRS, FRS or TBB - they all get absorbed, until Nagato has chakra - which he will constantly regain.

TBB barrages are all thats needed to eradicate nagato,

Different PS and different Kurama Avatar. Kurama's tail get cut off by PS slashes eventually.

No they dont,
the tails were still intact after the slash, the same PS which is much much stronger then Sasukes PS here,
and that was the blade itself that was countered, the shockwave is much weaker than the blade itself, so its not doing shit here

Good Point, but their attacks are even weaker than TBB so how are they helping. Not to mention, that this means that Naruto will have to seperate his chakra to all of the clones evenly.

the clones are not even needed,
TBB eradicates sasukes PS, and he gets killed, nagato is also dying from such firepower

 

[TRE MERCER]

Umm yes it is,

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That will just get the TBB to explode, which iss still suffficient enough to breach PS


Too bad that PS cant deflect the TBB since the shockwave will just cause the TBB to explode, and cause damage to his own PS,
and breach it,

Ehh i guess... No you silly child the TBB's will explode way before they even get close similar to what the Juubi did...

and there is still a difference between their susanoos,
when it took a

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Tsunades hits alone have been stated to be superior to Ay, added to the fact that it also took the efforts of Ay and onoki to breach his susanooo, leads to the conclusion that madaras susanoo are stronger,

and as for PS, maadaras PS has 2 blades as opposed to sasuke only having one,
the blades are where the main offense of PS comes from, so madaras PS is obviously superior,

Please that was Ms Sasuke and plus that was his first time using Susanoo and that ribcage was clearly incomplete compared to the one Madara used... Plus EMS Sasuke rib cage tanked V1 Juubito's liquid jinton spear which is far more deadly and powerful than that gokage team work.(

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). Clearly 2 blades... and if were going by his regular Ps doesn't matter seeing as Madara's Ps never used both of it's blades...

Amaterasu is shat on just how naruto did in canon, by using the chakra to extract the flames away
or the kurama avatar can just use its tails to repel the flames away, just how it did in canon,
especially when V1 cloak alone managed to repel the juubi sized katons away, amaterasu would be no different


No it wont, amaterasu is not doing shit

How is he going to do that while he's inside Kurama? Won't work seeing as Amaterasu get as big as it's target.(

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). Plus Naruto chakra shroud went with Amaterasu seeing as Amaterasu stays on it's target...

Lol, Naruto dyiing to PS shockwaves is a joke, when his avatar tanked the juubi beam,

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not to mention that TBB vaporise mountains to paste, whereas PS slashes (AT MOST) cut mountain tops,
the output require to vaporise a mountain is much higher than just cutting its tops, therefore concluding that TBB > PS slashes
and the kurama avatar has shown to match not one, but 5 bijuus in firepower,

Sasukes PS is never tanking such firepower,

and as for nagatos summonings, Lol they are garbage, they just get vaporised in the cross fire, dont even know why u mention that

Shutup with that none-sense... Ps slashes are far more destructive 1 slashes split 6 mountains while tbbs only take out 1... Ps slashes could vaporize a mountain at close range yes seeing as it turning 2 meteors to rubble.(

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). Plus Naruto can't even keep the Kurama avatar up no longer than 8mins... Nagato could easily obliterate Kurama avatar with FSST...

 

[ARGUS]

Ehh i guess... No you silly child the TBB's will explode way before they even get close similar to what the Juubi did...

Except, Naruto can bombard them with TBB, until Sasukes PS gets eradicated,
his Slashes are laughed at by the kuramma avatar, and it simply fires continous TBB to kill him

and Lol, what the juubi did, was overpower the TBB, which sasuke has no chance of doing

Please that was Ms Sasuke and plus that was his first time using Susanoo and that ribcage was clearly incomplete compared to the one Madara used...

Acutally no it wasnt,, they were both the same ribcage susanoos
and i doont see whats the big difference between MS sasukes ribcage and EMS Sasukes,
especially when we saw

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Plus EMS Sasuke rib cage tanked V1 Juubito's liquid jinton spear which is far more deadly and powerful than that gokage team work.(

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TOo bad that the hand of this ribcage is actuallly a property of V2 susanoo, as you can clearly see the skeletal limbs surrounding the susanooo, this is

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, not these

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and reading the next page would really help you herre,

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meaning that the susanoo still didnt tank shit,

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Clearly 2 blades... and if were going by his regular Ps doesn't matter seeing as Madara's Ps never used both of it's blades...

Umm, we are talking about EMS Sasuke here, why bring Rinnegan Sasuke, when the gap between their PS is enormous,

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, so try again

How is he going to do that while he's inside Kurama? Won't work seeing as Amaterasu get as big as it's target.(

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). Plus Naruto chakra shroud went with Amaterasu seeing as Amaterasu stays on it's target...

The

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, and werre powerful enough to not be affected by the flames at all,

amaterasu is no different, apart from it being inextinguishable, however it still just has a burning effect, and rather a slow burning effect, and when the

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leads to the obvious conclusion that the attack is not doing shit

naruto uses his tails to repel the flames away, or he simply uses his chakra to extract the flames away from him which he can do so with utmost ease

Shutup with that none-sense... Ps slashes are far more destructive 1 slashes split 6 mountains while tbbs only take out 1...

TOo bad that madara himself disagrees, when he only used his PS as a form of defense, and only used the blades to coat the TBB so that SS doesnt slam themm back,
however he still resorted to kyuubis firepower instead of his PS,
and that was full kyuubi,
the kuraama avatar has matched 5 bijuus, its offense is leagues above madaras PS let alone Sasukes featless PS with only one blade which is not doing shit here

and again, cutting the mountain top is nowhere near as powerful as turning into paste,

Ps slashes could vaporize a mountain at close range yes seeing as it turning 2 meteors to rubble.(

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Yeah, and Naruto has the firepower to dwarf mountains
and Lol @Bold - all that the PS did was cut the meteors, it didnt vaporise shit,
you need to get the vocab right,
and this is a PS thats superrior to Sasukes,
Lol ur whole premise is based on sasukes PS being on par with Madaras, which is nothing but a mere speculation

Plus Naruto can't even keep the Kurama avatar up no longer than 8mins...

and sasuke can most likely not even keep PS up for longer than 5 mins, let alone 8
not to mention that 8 minutes iss all that naruto needs to obliterate sasuke,
the latters PS is not doing shit against the kurama avatar, when its slashes are laughed at by its tails, and when his defenses cannt tank narutos firepower at all,

furthermoore, naruto had the 8min limit after only using BM twice,
his limit is likely to be 12-13 min at the very least, seeing how his link with kurama is alot better now, due to using BM throughout the war

Nagato could easily obliterate Kurama avatar with FSST...

Nope, when the kurama avatar tanked the Juubi Beam, which laughed at 9 TBB from the bijuu,
leads to the conclusion that CST (which is not stronger than even 2 TBB) is tanked

 

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Naruto solos. Nagato is non factor against PS or Kurama avatar so he's out of place here..

 

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Team one. Preeeetty easily may I add.
BM Naruto is insanely overrated...

 

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and there is still a difference between their susanoos,
when it took a weighted rock punch from Onoki/Ay and a kick from Tsunade to breach madaras ribcage,
whereas sasukes ribcage was breached from one lateral chop from Ay,

Lol. Comparing MS Sasuke to EMS Sasuke? Not to mention he took Liger Bomb and then he took a Lateral Chop.

Acutally no it wasnt,, they were both the same ribcage susanoos
and i doont see whats the big difference between MS sasukes ribcage and EMS Sasukes,
especially when we sawEMS Sasukes ribcage get destroyed by a mere suiton from Kabuto

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compared to

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, then you need to get your eyes checked, pronto. No idea why you are comparing

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with

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to begin with. Unfair comparison is obviously unfair. You take the strongest looking Ribcage EMS Sasuke has ever made, which I have graciously linked in my post, and you use that as a basis for comparison. You don't take the weakest one he's ever made and then compare it to the largest one Madara's ever made.

and sasuke can most likely not even keep PS up for longer than 5 mins, let alone 8

Based on what?

TOo bad that the hand of this ribcage is actuallly a property of V2 susanoo, as you can clearly see the skeletal limbs surrounding the susanooo, this is ribcage susanoo, not these [1] [2]
and reading the next page would really help you herre, when the whole affected part of susanoo was negated by juubitos beam
meaning that the susanoo still didnt tank shit,

The hand was shown as apart of the Ribcage Susanoo, thus it's part of that particular Ribcage Susanoo. Even if the bold is true, then that means

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isn't Ribcage Susanoo either, meaning you've shat on your own argument for saying Madara's Ribcage>>>Sasuke's Ribcage.

And it didn't tank it, but that means it takes something as strong as that attack to destroy a HAND of that Ribcage Susanoo. Actual Ribcage>>Hand attached to it. So YD has a point with that as well. Sasuke's Ribcage is obviously stronger than it was in EMS Form, at least the one he used at that particular moment, unless you think Ay's chop>Gudo Dama beam.

 

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Lol. Comparing MS Sasuke to EMS Sasuke? Not to mention he took Liger Bomb and then he took a Lateral Chop.

The ribcage was pretty much unfazed by the Liger Bomb,
so even if the damage piled up, it wouldnt have changed much since the Lateral chop still bypassed his ribcage and knocked him down

and you have yet to prove the durability difference between a standard MS ribcage and EMS ribcage

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compared to

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, then you need to get your eyes checked, pronto.

You can clearly see the backbone of V2 susanoo in the scan you have provided, and the part where the beam hit was the limb of the susanoo which is still a part of V2, not the ribcage,
so this is not a valid comparison, especially when the users have shown the ability to

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and the

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was something even MS sasuke has shown to be capable of,
so unless you think that aspects like blade are apart of ribcage susanoo, than you need to get ur eyes checked

No idea why you are comparing

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with

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to begin with. Unfair comparison is obviously unfair.

Ok

You take the strongest looking Ribcage EMS Sasuke has ever made, which I have graciously linked in my post, and you use that as a basis for comparison. You don't take the weakest one he's ever made and then compare it to the largest one Madara's ever made.

No, like i said, the scan you have provided involves sasukes ribcage with parts of higher susanoos and the attacks coordinated with the higher susanoo,
you dont count aspects like blades or limbs as a part of ribcage,

Based on what?

Based on the fact that controlling something as PS is bound to take alot of chakra,

The hand was shown as apart of the Ribcage Susanoo, thus it's part of that particular Ribcage Susanoo.

No, but the hand had 2 layers as opposed to one, and 2 layers = V2

Even if the bold is true, then that means

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isn't Ribcage Susanoo either, meaning you've shat on your own argument for saying Madara's Ribcage>>>Sasuke's Ribcage.

yes, but tsunades attack landed on the ribcage part of the susanoo, not V2,

And it didn't tank it, but that means it takes something as strong as that attack to destroy a HAND of that Ribcage Susanoo. Actual Ribcage>>Hand attached to it. So YD has a point with that as well. Sasuke's Ribcage is obviously stronger than it was in EMS Form, at least the one he used at that particular moment, unless you think Ay's chop>Gudo Dama beam.

@Bold - Umm no,
The TSB beam landed on the hand which had 2 layers, as opposed to ribcage only havinng 1, therefore the hand itself is still more durable, unless you think that ribcage is more durable than V2 susanoo?
and Lol the

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so the ribcage didnt tank shit, especially when it wasnt even attackked by the beam

so the whole ribcage argument is invalid,

 

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The ribcage was pretty much unfazed by the Liger Bomb,
so even if the damage piled up, it wouldnt have changed much since the Lateral chop still bypassed his ribcage and knocked him down

Go look at that scan again. Liger Bomb cracked his Susanoo, and then the Lateral Chop broke through, and Lol @ the bold. Makes no sense. If the damage piles up, then it's Liger Bomb+Lateral Chop that broke through, not just Lateral Chop.

and you have yet to prove the durability difference between a standard MS ribcage and EMS ribcage

Bigger, thicker bones=More durable Susanoo. That simple.

You can clearly see the backbone of V2 susanoo in the scan you have provided, and the part where the beam hit was the limb of the susanoo which is still a part of V2, not the ribcage,
so this is not a valid comparison, especially when the users have shown the ability to

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and the

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was something even MS sasuke has shown to be capable of,
so unless you think that aspects like blade are apart of ribcage susanoo, than you need to get ur eyes checked

They were shown as apart of the Ribcage, so they are apart of the Ribcage, not apart of V2 Susanoo. MS Sasuke didn't even HAVE V2 Susanoo in that scan you posted so how in the world is he going to manifest apart of it? Lol. Either way, doesn't really change my argumentation, but it completely obliterates your shaky ass argument.

No, like i said, the scan you have provided involves sasukes ribcage with parts of higher susanoos and the attacks coordinated with the higher susanoo,
you dont count aspects like blades or limbs as a part of ribcage,

It's on the Ribcage as the scan shows, so that's what it's going to be counted as. It's not counted as V2 as that Susanoo hasn't leveled up to a V2.

Based on the fact that controlling something as PS is bound to take alot of chakra,

Takes a lot of chakra=/=Sasuke can only use it for 5 minutes. Where is the evidence that he can only use it for 5 minutes like you stated?

No, but the hand had 2 layers as opposed to one, and 2 layers = V2

What are you talking about?

yes, but tsunades attack landed on the ribcage part of the susanoo, not V2,

It's all the same level of Susanoo. Either you admit it's a partial V2 or it's an advanced Ribcage. There is no in between. It hit the rbicage part, not the V2 part. Lol, that obviously makes no sense.

@Bold - Umm no,
The TSB beam landed on the hand which had 2 layers, as opposed to ribcage only havinng 1, therefore the hand itself is still more durable, unless you think that ribcage is more durable than V2 susanoo?

1. It's a Ribcage, or it's a partial V2 all around, there is no "Ribcage part of a V2 Susanoo". That makes no sense, absolutely no sense. So no, the hand isn't more durable than the actual body of the Susanoo. Is your hand more durable than your torso? Obviously not. Is PS's hand more durable than it's torso? Obviously not.

2. Ribcage Susanoo being able to manifest arms and swords doesn't mean that the Susanoo is a V2, cause I clearly see a Ribcage there. Not to mention MS Sasuke even did it, and he only had a Ribcage at that time, so this "V2 part of a Ribcage Susanoo" nonsense needs to stop.

3. Are we making stuff up now?

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2 layers? What in the world are you talking about? I see the Ribcage, which is much larger than the Hand in every way, shape and form. I hope this 2 layers stuff isn't coming from the fact that you think the hand of a Ribcage Susanoo is as durable as a V2 Susanoo...Lol, because that is baseless, and makes no sense.

It's attached to a Ribcage so it's a Ribcage's hand.

and Lol the

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so the ribcage didnt tank shit,

I highly suggest you read before replying.

And it didn't tank it, but that means it takes something as strong as that attack to destroy a HAND of that Ribcage Susanoo.

especially when it wasnt even attackked by the beam

It's hand is part of the Susanoo, and it's not as durable as the body of the Susanoo itself, so it's irrelevant whether or not the Susanoo's body got hit.


And you've still failed to prove that Madara's Ribcage is more durable than Sasuke's, since all you did was use an advanced Ribcage for Madara, and compare it to Sasuke's smallest and weakest Ribcage.

yes, but tsunades attack landed on the ribcage part of the susanoo, not V2,

This nonsense isn't a counter argument. It's either a V2 Susanoo, or it's a Ribcage. I don't know where this idea came from, where different parts of a Susanoo had different durability, but it's baseless, and it makes no sense.

So once again, at the end of the day, you've failed to prove that Madara's Ribcage>Sasuke's Ribcage in durability.