Myth Busting; Myth #2: Minato had KCM while alive

[SasukeNamikaze]

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[Οdin]

I suppose he did.

 

[SasukeNamikaze]

I suppose he did.

The point is to say he didn't :|

 

[Flawž]

He did have it. He is a proficient sealer and He could seal half of kurama inside of himself with ease if he wasn't getting clawed by the kyuubi from the back.

 

[-Punk-]

He still moved after that ,he could have died or the chakra gotten out if he wasn't strong enough to handle it. I believe he did u_u

I'm a believer .

 

[FemmeFatale]

so naruto had kcm when he was a baby? and if that is the case mito had it too, i mean she is a > sealer thanminato and she could sense emotions

 

[Transcendence]

While it's clear this is the case, you're not viewing the situation as a whole. The reason he died was because of the Shiki Fujin Fuinjutsu and its inherent drawbacks which kill the user. One can speculate, had he use a different, but sufficient seal, he could had valiantly been a Jinchuriki, withdrawn from the Edo Tensei benefits that we see before us.

 

[Wolfus]

Hum, I don't know. We have to look the circunstances. He was barely alive and almost out of chakra. Maybe this way it would be too hard to control kurama's chakra.
However, you might want to say that alive minato died right after sealing kurama. He had no time to master KCM.
I don't really know what to say.

 

[cptenn94]

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That doesnt prove anything. It is entirely possible that he "had" kcm when he was alive(had being capable of useing it)

In fact edo tensei does NOT allow you to do anything you couldnt do when you were still alive.

Did he use kcm when alive? No. Should kcm be considered part of his fighting power when talking about alive minato? No.

But there is nothing to disprove he couldnt use kcm right before reaper killed him(assumeing he has enough chakra to trade with the nine tails(the requirement for kcm without bijuu cooperation))


edit: transendence hit it spot on.

 

[TheCCV]

so naruto had kcm when he was a baby? and if that is the case mito had it too, i mean she is a > sealer thanminato and she could sense emotions

They had access to it, but just couldn't actually access it. It was the same with Naruto, he went through the training process to gain KCM and Minato did too, in the Reapers belly.

 

[SasukeNamikaze]

While it's clear this is the case, you're not viewing the situation as a whole. The reason he died was because of the Shiki Fujin Fuinjutsu and its inherent drawbacks which kill the user. One can speculate, had he use a different, but sufficient seal, he could had valiantly been a Jinchuriki, withdrawn from the Edo Tensei benefits that we see before us.

Your trying to tip toe around the evidence I've provided. Minato stated his body became "Numb" and he could feel the chakra's density. Minato is the one saying these things, there's no denying them.

There would have been no fighting under those conditions.

 

[AlphaScythian]

I think he did it as an edo. Its much easier as edo, kurama knew from the start that he has no chance w/o sealing techs XD

 

[ReverseZero12]

Minato was only speaking on the intensity of the chakra he absorbed at that one time and his body got numb because of the shock the body got after absorbing all that chakra at one point. But nothing suggests that was permanent. It's like getting punched in the stomach. It hurts for a while but you recover from it afterwards. He was able to move after shortly before he got stabbed by the kyuubi. If he had survived the nine tails attack somehow, he would have been able to move again.

But either way, KCM is not an alive feat.

 

[TheCCV]

Minato was only speaking on the intensity of the chakra he absorbed at that one time and his body got numb because of the shock the body got after absorbing all that chakra at one point. But nothing suggests that was permanent. It's like getting punched in the stomach. It hurts for a while but you recover from it afterwards. He was able to move after shortly before he got stabbed by the kyuubi. If he had survived the nine tails attack somehow, he would have been able to move again.

But either way, KCM is not an alive feat.

But a fist doesn't stay in your stomach after getting punched. The nine tails chakra does. Of course there's a tension, all body seals come with tensions... but that chakra wasn't going anywhere, it was permanent.

 

[UchihaKira]

That doesnt prove anything. It is entirely possible that he "had" kcm when he was alive(had being capable of useing it)

In fact edo tensei does NOT allow you to do anything you couldnt do when you were still alive.

Did he use kcm when alive? No. Should kcm be considered part of his fighting power when talking about alive minato? No.

But there is nothing to disprove he couldnt use kcm right before reaper killed him(assumeing he has enough chakra to trade with the nine tails(the requirement for kcm without bijuu cooperation))

I agree with this point. While we didnt see him use anything of the sort while alive, the fact is that he has it as an edo so he had to have it when alive whether he used it or not. Not that it really matters considering he was inches from death anyway, but he DID have it. Its really similar to Madara getting the rinnegan just before death, the only difference is that he stated that it was true.

 

[Da Best Ever]

i dnt think he had it when he was alive but i know minato is second to only naruto in chakra mastery, and the kyuubi confirmed this about minato great mastery of chakra, and minato is a genius and one of the greatest sealers ever i knw had he not have died he would have been able to use kcm and then later bm, this is proven since before his death he had no time to master the kyuubi chakra, but minato skill with chakra is unmatched and obviously since he had no time to tame that chakra but still has done so lets us knw he damn near masters it immediately upon getting it

 

[Troyg39]

I did a theory on this. I think he acquired KCM at this point for one, the RDS seems to apply the same method of chakra extraction as the tug of war game that Naruto had to do in order to seperate Kurama's chakra from his physical vessel or "mind" as it was explained. They both even pulled out a body of chakra shaped like Kurama.

It seems that RDS first seals what it takes out of the victim into the user of the jutsu first, and then it seals that user which effectively seals the victim as well as the victim is sealed in the user. In this case, Kurama's chakra was first sealed into Minato. Proof of this is actually in the scan you provided since Minato says he can feel how heavy the chakra is. After that, the demon then sealed Minato and the chakra that was sealed into him. Had he remained alive it's reasonable to believe he would've had access to KCM. That whole "the two sealed do battle for all eternity" myth with RDS seems false, as Hiruzen and the first two Kages didn't seem to have any recollection of battling one another.

Whether you believe it or not is one thing though. I wouldn't consider this myth busted however until Kishi gives us more info on Minato and his KCM.

It's also notable to point out that being a Jin and having KCM aren't exactly tied in the way most people think. Even as a Jin and with Kurama sealed inside of him, Naruto had to first undo his seal (technically making him no longer a jin at the small point) and then extract Kurama's chakra from him in order to use KCM. Just having Kurama inside of you isn't enough. You have to separate the chakra from the body, something RDS does since it's a seal that doesn't seal the vessel. 8-trigram sealed the entire kyuubi in Naruto, so the chakra Naruto was using before fought Kurama was still attached to kurama. It wasn't separate. Minato took chakra out of Kurama but the vessel still remained, so that chakra was just chakra.

 

[Joshutsu]

Its creepy how much that looks like sakura. Er'body knows Minato KCM is straight out the ass :O

 

[Da Best Ever]

kcm is an alive feat for minato if u dnt think so then u must believe dead shinobi still train??? but that would be ridiculous and is ridiculous, minato edo version has kcm, after his alive self absorbed the kyuubi chakra upon his death, now we all knw minato's mastery of chakra was second to none, since his edo self has kcm and dead shinobi dnt train better yet cant train which furthers -proves that anything as far as mastery chakra is second nature to minato, he did develope one of the most advanced techniques which is the rasengan, which took jiraiya some time to master and kakashi some time as well, and naruto years to be good at it and he still has to use chakra arms or clones to rotate the chakra while minato does it instantly...this feat of kcm is a feat for alive minato, since unlike madara who didnt have rinnegan when he died and his edo self does do to tamperment bof kabuto, oro didnt tamper with minato so minato just had it, this is a testament to minato's skill and this was confirmed by the kyuubi

 

[Da Best Ever]

I did a theory on this. I think he acquired KCM at this point for one, the RDS seems to apply the same method of chakra extraction as the tug of war game that Naruto had to do in order to seperate Kurama's chakra from his physical vessel or "mind" as it was explained. They both even pulled out a body of chakra shaped like Kurama.

It seems that RDS first seals what it takes out of the victim into the user of the jutsu first, and then it seals that user which effectively seals the victim as well as the victim is sealed in the user. In this case, Kurama's chakra was first sealed into Minato. Proof of this is actually in the scan you provided since Minato says he can feel how heavy the chakra is. After that, the demon then sealed Minato and the chakra that was sealed into him. Had he remained alive it's reasonable to believe he would've had access to KCM. That whole "the two sealed do battle for all eternity" myth with RDS seems false, as Hiruzen and the first two Kages didn't seem to have any recollection of battling one another.

Whether you believe it or not is one thing though. I wouldn't consider this myth busted however until Kishi gives us more info on Minato and his KCM.

It's also notable to point out that being a Jin and having KCM aren't exactly tied in the way most people think. Even as a Jin and with Kurama sealed inside of him, Naruto had to first undo his seal (technically making him no longer a jin at the small point) and then extract Kurama's chakra from him in order to use KCM. Just having Kurama inside of you isn't enough. You have to separate the chakra from the body, something RDS does since it's a seal that doesn't seal the vessel. 8-trigram sealed the entire kyuubi in Naruto, so the chakra Naruto was using before fought Kurama was still attached to kurama. It wasn't separate. Minato took chakra out of Kurama but the vessel still remained, so that chakra was just chakra.

nice theory but u forget the fact that minato's chakra mastery is second to none, and when he reached the battlefield and naruto saw him in kcm form the kyuubi wasnt surprised that minato could do that and praised minato for his skill, minato chakra mastery skill is the answer for this point blank, he can master forms of chakra almost as good as nagato