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Madara cut two Mountains without touching them. He cuts Nagato the same way, thus he can't absorb it, and he can't continually blast it away. He has a 5 second limit, and it'd require his strongest Shinra Tensei to budge PS, and that leaves him without Deva's powers for an extended period of time.
Makes sense

They all have the speed and reactions or jutsu to evade Jinton.

-Kakashi has Kamui teleportation.

-Gai has Gates.

-SM Naruto has sensing, enhanced reflexes, and a fast Shunshin.

If he becomes visible to use it, he'd get killed by Kamui, Hirudora, or Rasen Shuriken. Though I suppose he can take Kakashi or Gai by becoming invisible and killing them with his sword, but that won't work on Naruto since he's too durable to get cut by his swords, so Naruto definitely beats him. Gai and Kakashi depends.
Yeah, that's what I was thinking: invisibility + sword stab to the head kills Kakashi/Gai. Not sure exactly about Naruto dodging jinton (how does he avoid an AoE attack like ) Rasen shuriken has a longer start-up time than jinton (plus Mu can dodge it with his sensing abilities) so Naruto also lacks a long-distance attack to put down Mu (though I suppose he could always win via outlast.)
 
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Yeah, that's what I was thinking: invisibility + kunai to the head kills Kakashi/Gai. Not sure exactly about Naruto dodging jinton (how does he avoid an AoE attack like Rasen shuriken has a longer start-up time than jinton so Naruto also lacks a long-distance attack to put down Mu (though I suppose he could always win via outlast.)
Its not even an AoE attack in itself, he just makes it one when he spins it around. That is all Naruto has to avoid. As long as the beam doesn't touch him he's good.

And no, Jinton doesn't charge faster than Rasen Shuriken.






Or Naruto can just paralyze Mu with Fukasaku and Shima's Frog Call the moment he becomes visible, which leaves him wide open for FRS, or any kind of Rasengan to finish him off.
 

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The Jinton Beam is not only fast but can be Waved around and controlled. Fast or not that in itself kills most especially if you lack major (Guy) speed because you would have to keep moving/running to avoid the giant Beam! Kinda of like a Fire trucks water hose (but ofc larger).

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The Jinton Beam is not only fast but can be Waved around and controlled. Fast or not that in itself kills most especially if you lack major (Guy) speed because you would have to keep moving/running to avoid the giant Beam! Kinda of like a Fire trucks water hose (but ofc larger).

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It fires fast, but once fired, it only moves around as fast as the user can spin it around. We can see its AoE in the scan, get out of that area before the beam comes your way, and you've successfully evaded the jutsu.
 

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It fires fast, but once fired, it only moves around as fast as the user can spin it around. We can see its AoE in the scan, get out of that area before the beam comes your way, and you've successfully evaded the jutsu.
Not that simple nor easy! It isn't heavy! And Onoki is one spin around Cleared the area. Are you saying it's hard to move energy like beam? Even in the scans Onoki literally in what seemed like a second destroyed all the flowers! Madara after being hit and he been was finished with the beam. It is as simple as moving your arms in a fast motion (basic humans can move them fast and characters like Konahamaru can do the same).
 

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Sasuke doesn't have PS. He has legged Susanoo which was big enough to cover 50% Kurama, but he never had PS. Don't give him fanfic abilities for him to win a fight.
 

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Not that simple nor easy! It isn't heavy! And Onoki is one spin around Cleared the area. Are you saying it's hard to move energy like beam? Even in the scans Onoki literally in what seemed like a second destroyed all the flowers! Madara after being hit and he been was finished with the beam. It is as simple as moving your arms in a fast motion (basic humans can move them fast and characters like Konahamaru can do the same).
I know its not heavy, I'm just saying that Naruto can react and Shunshin out of range before Onoki can spin around far enough to have the beam reach Naruto's position considering he Asura Path from all the way on top of Gamakichi, with just one Shunshin. I know that he can do it fast, but basic humans being able to do that really fast doesn't mean much at all when Ninja are also much faster than Basic Humans, and the speed gaps and reaction speed gaps between some Ninja are far greater than they ever would be with basic humans.

Sage Sensing grants normal sensing, a form of precog like Sharingan, and he gets enhanced reflexes and speed. He can either burrow into the ground, jump over it, or Shunshin out of range to evade Jinton.
 

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Sasuke doesn't have PS. He has legged Susanoo which was big enough to cover 50% Kurama, but he never had PS. Don't give him fanfic abilities for him to win a fight.
Oh look, its one of these people..:rolleyes:

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Can you, and every other person who thinks that Sasuke doesn't have PS not read the manga? My god...its sickening.

Does Legged Susanoo have Those blades? Does Legged Susanoo have that face? Does Legged Susanoo have that armor and those shoulder guards?

No, No and No. Legged Susanoo w/ Naruto's chakra buffing it wasn't even as big as the whole Avatar, just the main body, so how in the world can it coat it when Sasuke doesn't have Naruto's chakra making it that size?

Lol. Don't start.
 

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I know its not heavy, I'm just saying that Naruto can react and Shunshin out of range before Onoki can spin around far enough to have the beam reach Naruto's position considering he Asura Path from all the way on top of Gamakichi, with just one Shunshin. I know that he can do it fast, but basic humans being able to do that really fast doesn't mean much at all when Ninja are also much faster than Basic Humans, and the speed gaps and reaction speed gaps between some Ninja are far greater than they ever would be with basic humans.

Sage Sensing grants normal sensing, a form of precog like Sharingan, and he gets enhanced reflexes and speed. He can either burrow into the ground, jump over it, or Shunshin out of range to evade Jinton.
If Onoki is ground level (which he would most likely be) Naruto's only Option is to Jump or go air born to truly dodge it! Why? Because the beam is not only fast and huge, when spinned around or simply used in a sweeping motion left to right or right to left

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(onoki is at the bottom of the triangle, and the black space is him going back and forth with his Jinton Beam towards Naruto's Direction in a constant sweeping motion)

Now with that being shown Air born is the easiest thought (jump) but also dumbest! Why? because in the air you cannot move unless you can fly! Now ofc Naruto has his Clones, but he cannot spam clones while in sage mode so the more clones he use the faster his Sage mode will run out. Also we are forgetting the speed of Onoki when air born!

And this is just about Naruto who can use clones mid air to help move (not even going to bring up that his sage mode isn't even long and he needs to waist chakra summoning the 2 sages). But imagine other ninjas?
 

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Oh look, its one of these people..:rolleyes:

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Can you, and every other person who thinks that Sasuke doesn't have PS not read the manga? My god...its sickening.

Does Legged Susanoo have Those blades? Does Legged Susanoo have that face? Does Legged Susanoo have that armor and those shoulder guards?

No, No and No. Legged Susanoo w/ Naruto's chakra buffing it wasn't even as big as the whole Avatar, just the main body, so how in the world can it coat it when Sasuke doesn't have Naruto's chakra making it that size?

Lol. Don't start.
That was a good explanation. It's sad we didn't get feats of his PS, so we could judge his fights easier.
 

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Can't muu be seen by sharingan ? Kid obito was able to see this shinobi who was using nearly the same jutsu
Also kid kakashi without the sharingan said that he can track him with movements in air current and sound( and managed to do that and screamed warning obito)

So I guess adult kakashi with the sharingan will be able to know muu's position then snipe him ( even if the sharingan can't see muu ,it still will help kakashi to track muu by movements In air currents and sound as the sharigan can see smallest movements in air currents)

I don't know what you mean by saying sm naruto is durable ,can't his head be cut off by a sword!!?
 

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If Onoki is ground level (which he would most likely be) Naruto's only Option is to Jump or go air born to truly dodge it! Why? Because the beam is not only fast and huge, when spinned around or simply used in a sweeping motion left to right or right to left

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(onoki is at the bottom of the triangle, and the black space is him going back and forth with his Jinton Beam towards Naruto's Direction in a constant sweeping motion)
If Naruto goes backwards, out of that black triangle (Which represents Onoki's range) he'll have evaded the attack altogether.

Now with that being shown Air born is the easiest thought (jump) but also dumbest! Why? because in the air you cannot move unless you can fly! Now ofc Naruto has his Clones, but he cannot spam clones while in sage mode so the more clones he use the faster his Sage mode will run out. Also we are forgetting the speed of Onoki when air born!
If he jumps up, then Onoki would have to fly toward him fast enough to hit before Naruto can do anything, which isn't going to happen.

-FRS
-Frog Call if he's already called the Toad Sages.
-Any Rasengan to hit Onoki once he comes close.

Naruto used a Chou Oodama FRS (Far larger than any amount of FRS he's ever used in Sage Mode combined) along with 2 other clones to help him make it., and he still had enough Sage chakra left from that point, till after Madara's revival. A clone or two, or even 3 won't hurt him at all.

So being in mid air isn't an issue. Not to mention he can summon a Boss Toad while in mid air, giving him a platform to maneuver around on.


And this is just about Naruto who can use clones mid air to help move (not even going to bring up that his sage mode isn't even long and he needs to waist chakra summoning the 2 sages). But imagine other ninjas?
If he summons the 2 Sages, it won't matter if Senjutsu Chakra is wasted as they will let him have an indefinite Sage Mode. Most Ninja above Onoki are either fast enough to outright evade it, or have techniques fast enough to prevent it from happening.
 

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Can't muu be seen by sharingan ? Kid obito was able to see this shinobi who was using nearly the same jutsu
Also kid kakashi without the sharingan said that he can track him with movements in air current and sound( and managed to do that and screamed warning obito)

So I guess adult kakashi with the sharingan will be able to know muu's position then snipe him ( even if the sharingan can't see muu ,it still will help kakashi to track muu by movements In air currents and sound as the sharigan can see smallest movements in air currents)
You have a point with the bold, but Mu's jutsu is more advanced. He erases his chakra completely, so I don't think he can be seen like that.


I don't know what you mean by saying sm naruto is durable ,can't his head be cut off by a sword!!?
It has to cut him first, and it can't. He's too durable.
 

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If Naruto goes backwards, out of that black triangle (Which represents Onoki's range) he'll have evaded the attack altogether.


If he jumps up, then Onoki would have to fly toward him fast enough to hit before Naruto can do anything, which isn't going to happen.

-FRS
-Frog Call if he's already called the Toad Sages.
-Any Rasengan to hit Onoki once he comes close.

Naruto used a Chou Oodama FRS (Far larger than any amount of FRS he's ever used in Sage Mode combined) along with 2 other clones to help him make it., and he still had enough Sage chakra left from that point, till after Madara's revival. A clone or two, or even 3 won't hurt him at all.

So being in mid air isn't an issue. Not to mention he can summon a Boss Toad while in mid air, giving him a platform to maneuver around on.




If he summons the 2 Sages, it won't matter if Senjutsu Chakra is wasted as they will let him have an indefinite Sage Mode. Most Ninja above Onoki are either fast enough to outright evade it, or have techniques fast enough to prevent it from happening.

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Above is a rough draft of the range of Madaras wood style flowers and how it covered what seemed like miles and miles of land!

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Above shows Onoki Attack had no stopping point! It cleared everything as far as the Eye could see and destroyed every single flower summoned! It's like a flash light, until the light is turned off light will attempt to travel. So the idea of shunshin'n backwards will not work unless you're stating naruto can forever shunshin (we know it's not possible and they have to stop and reset the ninjutsu).

If he jumps up, onoki simply and easily slightly moves his arms up and now the beam is air born. It's a beam bro, it isn't hard to move. Again, it's like a flash light, where ever your arms move with the flash light, the light targets that area. Are you saying its not possible to point the flash light towards the sky? And if he summons any boss toad they instantly gets vaporized by Jinton! Naruto would never ever put the toads in harms way like that, so the toads mid air strategy isn't even an in character option.

Onoki also has Stone clones (which do not go poof when hit) and Giant Golems to aid in his bout!
 

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Above is a rough draft of the range of Madaras wood style flowers and how it covered what seemed like miles and miles of land!

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Above shows Onoki Attack had no stopping point! It cleared everything as far as the Eye could see and destroyed every single flower summoned! It's like a flash light, until the light is turned off light will attempt to travel. So the idea of shunshin'n backwards will not work unless you're stating naruto can forever shunshin (we know it's not possible and they have to stop and reset the ninjutsu).

If he jumps up, onoki simply and easily slightly moves his arms up and now the beam is air born. It's a beam bro, it isn't hard to move. Again, it's like a flash light, where ever your arms move with the flash light, the light targets that area. Are you saying its not possible to point the flash light towards the sky? And if he summons any boss toad they instantly gets vaporized by Jinton! Naruto would never ever put the toads in harms way like that, so the toads mid air strategy isn't even an in character option.

Onoki also has Stone clones (which do not go poof when hit) and Giant Golems to aid in his bout!
Ok, I'll agree that he can't evade the beam, but he can still prevent Onoki from firing it no problem, and I didn't catch why you believe he can't burrow underground to evade it.

That was a good explanation. It's sad we didn't get feats of his PS, so we could judge his fights easier.
It is, but oh well. Just gotta make do with what we have.
 
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You have a point with the bold, but Mu's jutsu is more advanced. He erases his chakra completely, so I don't think he can be seen like that.




It has to cut him first, and it can't. He's too durable.
Yes muu 's jutsu is advanced jutsu and can erase his chakra completely ,so maybe the sharingan can't see him
But kakashi can still track him by movements in air current and sound ,and the sharingan will help him in doing that
Here a scan from the manga shows that kid kakashi without sharingan tracking this invincible shinobi
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So adult kakashi with sharing an will do it even easier


I think you overrate sm naruto's durability ,pain stabbed him and pa( who is agreat sage)with black rods
I think muu can stab him in his neck with a sword
 

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Ok, I'll agree that he can't evade the beam, but he can still prevent Onoki from firing it no problem, and I didn't catch why you believe he can't burrow underground to evade it.
How can he stop him from firing it off (or muu who is a sensor)? And if naruto goes under ground, Jinton can simply be pointed towards the ground and destroy whats underneath. Or in muu's case (if jinton doesn't kill naruto under ground) Muu simply senses where naruto is and keeps pointing it. Since one cannot shunshin under ground, plus the fact Naruto is physically digging and not using hiding like a mole tech.
 

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How can he stop him from firing it off (or muu who is a sensor)?
-Frog Call
-Ma and Pa's Toad Tongue Attack
-Rasen Shuriken.

And if naruto goes under ground, Jinton can simply be pointed towards the ground and destroy whats underneath. Or in muu's case (if jinton doesn't kill naruto under ground) Muu simply senses where naruto is and keeps pointing it. Since one cannot shunshin under ground, plus the fact Naruto is physically digging and not using hiding like a mole tech.
Agreed then.
 
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