[Discussion] My thoughts on Sasuke

[toadvenom]

I know Sasuke is a polarizing character. People either love him or hate him. I am not here to rehash the old debates but I do want to make two comments. One directed at Sasuke haters, and the other one directed at Sasuke fanboys


First of all, to the sasuke haters,

there is no point hating on Sasuke for wanting his revenge. He is darkness to Naruto's light. He pretty much has to be the way he is no matter how "annoying" that maybe to some. Kishimoto is working with a dichotomy of good vs evil, light vs. darkness, forgiveness over revenge, ying vs. yang. Naruto's entire legacy is based on what happens with Sasuke, and vice versa. Indeed, Sasuke is simply a character who is filling a role that is central to the story line. So don hate on Sasuke's role, he is just given it. It is neccessary. After all, what is the alternative? Kill off sasuke then what?

To the sasuke fan boys, what i have to say is this;

He is not as strong as some of you people say he is. The truth is that the guy could have died at least a dozen times since he killed off orochimaru. Itachi would have killed him if he wanted to. Killer be would have killed him one on one, Against the Kages he would have died for sure if madara did'nt come in, on and on. He is one of the strongest out there, but c'mon, most of that strength comes from drugs, power handouts, natural genius ability, and the sharingan. And what made him so effective against deidara was his intelligence. But since he found out the truth about Itachi hes been losing his cool. So sasuke isnt all that, he can be defeated by alot of charachters in the manga one on one.

these are my thoughts about sasuke

in other news... when will naruto get a power up? i say he needs to work on his movements, they are too rough, i would love to see naruto move more like kakashi. secondly, hes gotta come up with some cool wind manipulations like sasuke does wit lightning. I noticed that the Tschuikage was flying. That must be a wind jutsu. It would be dope if naruto got trained to fly like him using his wind release. Plus there is that mastering the Kyuubi thing, and itachi's gift.


see ya later kids

 

[Raz-K]

I don't hate sasuke himself, I hate that he is idolized above all the other "worthier characters". the dude is wicked tough but not enough to be worshiped the way he seems to be.

 

[twistedlink]

Very well thought out thread, very well written, and all true.

 

[sasuke uchiha94]

HE has nno longer the curse mark and he has never taken drugs . Everyone who says that he get mankyou for free is wrong.
And not every fanboy say that sasuke is the strongest.
The sharingan is a part of him lol,like your feet.

1.Because he could have killed naruto the day he left.
2.He didnt get the mangekyou because he didnt want to do what his brother had said.
3 so he choosed to not kill him because of that.


Look her proove so it because of that.

You must be registered for see links

You must be registered for see links

 

[Degrees]

No disrespect but what's the point off this thread, it wont stop the hate nothing will xdxdxd. Fanboys & haters will always argue, this is one off the reasons I love this site others will brake up fights to fast.

 

[toadvenom]

HE has nno longer the curse mark and he has never taken drugs . Everyone who says that he get mankyou for free is wrong.
And not every fanboy say that sasuke is the strongest.
The sharingan is a part of him lol,like your feet.

1.Because he could have killed naruto the day he left.
2.He didnt get the mangekyou because he didnt want to do what his brother had said.
3 so he choosed to not kill him because of that.


Look her proove so it because of that.

You must be registered for see links

You must be registered for see links

dude he took drugs and stuff from kabuto and orochimaru... here i will prove it

You must be registered for see links

1. he would not have been able to kill naruto, the kyuubi would come out... kyuubi even warned sasuke not to kill naruto. i wonder why?

2. yea we can agree on this, but he still got all of itachi's eye techniques implanted into him... and he got MS anyway, did not have to kill naruto for it.

im not sayin sasuke isnt strong, but alot of charachters in the manga can defeat him.

 

[John Constantine]

dude he took drugs and stuff from kabuto and orochimaru... here i will prove it

You must be registered for see links

1. he would not have been able to kill naruto, the kyuubi would come out... kyuubi even warned sasuke not to kill naruto. i wonder why?

2. yea we can agree on this, but he still got all of itachi's eye techniques implanted into him... and he got MS anyway, did not have to kill naruto for it.

im not sayin sasuke isnt strong, but alot of charachters in the manga can defeat him.

Sakura says it was "POSSIBLE",not certain that he took drugs..

1. He most certainly could have killed Naruto,Yamato,Sai and Sakura on that situation. He proved to be that much stronger in those chapters.
He even supressed the power of Kyubi who was starting to come out.
Kyubi would have broke-free and cause huge devastation. That's why..
Also,i'm guessing Sasuke was about to use Kirin when Orochimaru stopped him from killing them.

2. He didn't got his ocular techniques implanted. Only an Amaterasu trap set.
Show me proof,that he got his Ocular techniques implanted to him by Itachi.​

 

[Sasuke Uzumaki]

2. He didn't got his ocular techniques implanted. Only an Amaterasu trap set.
Show me proof,that he got his Ocular techniques implanted to him by Itachi.

I think his ocular techniques got stronger because he had killed his brother/best friend, and because strong emotions make new powers appear. At least that is what the manga constantly shows: make Sasuke angry for a new reason, and his powers boost.

 

[sasuke uchiha94]

dude he took drugs and stuff from kabuto and orochimaru... here i will prove it

You must be registered for see links

1. he would not have been able to kill naruto, the kyuubi would come out... kyuubi even warned sasuke not to kill naruto. i wonder why?

2. yea we can agree on this, but he still got all of itachi's eye techniques implanted into him... and he got MS anyway, did not have to kill naruto for it.

im not sayin sasuke isnt strong, but alot of charachters in the manga can defeat him.

thats not proove its what she belived and it wasnt true.
He did learn forbidden teck.

 

[twistedlink]

HE has nno longer the curse mark and he has never taken drugs . Everyone who says that he get mankyou for free is wrong.
And not every fanboy say that sasuke is the strongest.
The sharingan is a part of him lol,like your feet.

1.Because he could have killed naruto the day he left.
2.He didnt get the mangekyou because he didnt want to do what his brother had said.
3 so he choosed to not kill him because of that.


Look her proove so it because of that.

You must be registered for see links

You must be registered for see links

1.Actually, Naruto used his rasengan to scratch sasukes forehead protector, while sasukes chidori was aimed directly at naruto, Narutos rasengan is vastly more powerful than sasukes chidori will ever be, especially with Kyuubi cloak.

2.what? The point is he has had a massive power up given to him, curse mark was a free power up from orochimaru, mangekyou was a free powerup from Itachi.

Lets go back to Naruto vs sasuke on the hospital roof, no curse marks, no kyuubim cloak, and look at the damage chidori did vs rasengan.

If Kakashi hadnt stopped them sasuke wouldve been owned.

Sasuke without curse mark or mangekyou would get absolutely OWNED by sage mode Naruto, within SECONDS.

3.He couldnt kill naruto, itd be impossible as the Kyuubi realises if naruto dies so does he, as a result kyuubi would simply make a bigger cloak that deflects all attacks sasukes power could muster.

 

[Ecchidaime]

very interesting and very detailed!

I dont hate sasuke but i did when he was still going on about his brother about killing him, and now he is kinda dumb, he is just being manipulated by a guy that was said to have died 85 years ago! WTF!!?? sasuke has a weak personality but true he is needed for this manga he gives naruto reason to become stronger and its good to see the story from to different point of view, darkness vs. light so to say

 

[Kuroi Honoo]

very interesting and very detailed!

I dont hate sasuke but i did when he was still going on about his brother about killing him, and now he is kinda dumb, he is just being manipulated by a guy that was said to have died 85 years ago! WTF!!?? sasuke has a weak personality but true he is needed for this manga he gives naruto reason to become stronger and its good to see the story from to different point of view, darkness vs. light so to say

You quote "he is just being manipulated by a guy that was said to have died 85 years ago! WTF!!?? sasuke has a weak personality" but do have irrefutable evidence that Sasuke is being manipulated by Madara? Honestly, everytime they show Sasuke with Madara he is always saying something that will please Madara and that seems to be a little suspicious. Sasuke attacked him and refused to do his bidding and only agreed when he heard that it had to do with Danzou. What about his memory about Itachi, there are things that can make him doubt Madara's words. Okay, there isn't confirmation in what I'm saying about Sasuke not being manipulated but at least I have provided situations where you could get the feeling that Sasuke is using him just as much as Madara is using Sasuke. Personally I think that they are both deceiving each other even so that has yet to be confirmed but if indeed it is confirmed that Sasuke was completely manipulated by Madara then you can say "sasuke has a weak personality".

1.Actually, Naruto used his rasengan to scratch sasukes forehead protector, while sasukes chidori was aimed directly at naruto, Narutos rasengan is vastly more powerful than sasukes chidori will ever be, especially with Kyuubi cloak.

I'll give you that, in pre-timeskip they showed the damage done from both techs and the Rasengan dealt more but Sasuke isn't only tied down to Chidori as he has various variations branched off that same tech. Where his Chidori lacks against Rasengan, his Kirin makes up for a lot.

2.what? The point is he has had a massive power up given to him, curse mark was a free power up from orochimaru, mangekyou was a free powerup from Itachi.

Oh and the Kyuubi wasn't a powerup given to Naruto by his father on a whim? Mangekyou is a further evolution of the Sharingan and he only obtained it after realizing the pain of losing his brother. Naruto also got his power up through Sage Mode and yes he did train for it as Sasuke simply awakened it but he had to train his Mangekyou for its techs to be any where effective. In other words Sasuke also trains what he is given it isn't like he receives everything and knows everything there is to know about it without having to ever train.

Sasuke without curse mark or mangekyou would get absolutely OWNED by sage mode Naruto, within SECONDS.

Chotto matte, if you strip Sage Mode off of Naruto then Naruto could get defeated by Sasuke. They both have their own techs and if you take away those from them then they will both be degraded, your qoute wasn't the best logic to use.

3.He couldnt kill naruto, itd be impossible as the Kyuubi realises if naruto dies so does he, as a result kyuubi would simply make a bigger cloak that deflects all attacks sasukes power could muster.

Do you have evidence of this? I mean to me it seems like when the Jinchuuriki is passed out, they are susceptible to anything including death as seen when Kisame has Roushi slacked over Samehada after fighting him and rendering him unconscious. Yeah and if you don't remember, Madara's Mangekyou Sharingan can control the Kyuubi so if Naruto was too use the bijuu, I believe that Sasuke could possibly be able to over counter with his Mangekyou, in my opinion.​

 

[Sasuke Uzumaki]

1.Actually, Naruto used his rasengan to scratch sasukes forehead protector, while sasukes chidori was aimed directly at naruto, Narutos rasengan is vastly more powerful than sasukes chidori will ever be, especially with Kyuubi cloak.

2.what? The point is he has had a massive power up given to him, curse mark was a free power up from orochimaru, mangekyou was a free powerup from Itachi.

Lets go back to Naruto vs sasuke on the hospital roof, no curse marks, no kyuubim cloak, and look at the damage chidori did vs rasengan.

If Kakashi hadnt stopped them sasuke wouldve been owned.

Sasuke without curse mark or mangekyou would get absolutely OWNED by sage mode Naruto, within SECONDS.

3.He couldnt kill naruto, itd be impossible as the Kyuubi realises if naruto dies so does he, as a result kyuubi would simply make a bigger cloak that deflects all attacks sasukes power could muster.

1 - At that moment Naruto was absolutely mad, he wanted to kill him or break his knees, bones, scratch him, etc... in order to bring Sasuke back to Konoha.

2 - Naruto has also been given the Demon fox as a massive power. All along the manga we are being shown the extra strength Naruto has because of the demon fox and of his bloodline (Minato), as well as Sasuke gaining powers because of his bloodline. They are just the same in that! But people keep saying only Sasuke gains extra powers.

Sasuke and Naruto are equally strong, I mean, Sasuke does not need to be stronger than Naruto if he can enter Naruto's mind and use the demon fox as a pet with the Sharingan.

3 - He could have taken control of the kyubii with the Sharingan, he's an Uchiha. And in case the kyubii had made an extra cloack back then, he would have died as Sasuke's attack was strong for the then Naruto.


I am a fan of both Sasuke and Naruto. It drives me a bit mad when people take sides, because the manga is constantly showing both of them gain powers, sometimes through training, sometimes from bloodline, etc., and the only difference between them is one is in dark and the other in light.

 

[Shunsui]

3 - He could have taken control of the kyubii with the Sharingan, he's an Uchiha. And in case the kyubii had made an extra cloack back then, he would have died as Sasuke's attack was strong for the then Naruto.

Itachi said that there is only ONE Uchiha who know the final MS sicret and was able to control Kyuubi was Madara, now explane me how would Sasuke do that

 

[Sasuke Uzumaki]

Itachi said that there is only ONE Uchiha who know the final MS sicret and was able to control Kyuubi was Madara, now explane me how would Sasuke do that

Because the Kyubii said Sasuke's eyes were like Madara's. And he looked like a very talented Uchiha since he was a kid.

16-year old Sasuke was able to suppress the kyubii's chakra, remember. If the kyubii had been outside, Sasuke would have controlled it.