My right Madara Tobi theory

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Muu's ability is not a kekkei Gekai, it's just his ability,
I belive it could be copped not with an ordinary sharingan but with EMS, and remember Madara was a genius....thats why i said his sharingan was too good to copy it,
 

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I knew that many would not accept but i just wanted them to tell me where i went wrong coz i think it really the best theory, i needed them to tell me the plot-holes in it so i should answer them, but they dont give any reason..
i think this is the plot, i have reasons why some theories are wrong,..like one for Tobi is Obito, so many plot-holes, but i think the other theory which may be right is one where tobi is supposed to be an experiment for madara like zetsu....but i think tobi used hashirama DNA to prolong his life thats why his skin shrewds like a zetsu...as tsunade stated it already...
 

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LOL. I am very nice but I stopped on when Madara used Muu's technique. It is most likely a Bloodline Limit and not something that can be copied or learned. Tsuchikage does not do it. Plus Tobi and Madara are completely different personality wise. If you need to make clone/splitting theories, you got no evidence.
 

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My theory about who tobi is and his relationship with madara..
please it may be long so please read all of it, u will understand, and thats why am not going to use manga pages for proof coz it will be very long, just remember as i state them,

So here i go,..the proof from manga i will say it last, 1st the story
Madara's brother died and madara left the village, he was ambitious as kabuto, wanting strength all the way, so he was always researching. Madara came in contact with Muu and his student Onoki, 3rd tsuchikage as you saw in the manga, they fought and Muu used his technique that splits him into two,..but madara's EMS was too good and he coped the technique.
Madara did everything as he read it at uchiha tablet,

Madara returned to the village where he fought the 1st hokage Hashirama, and he stole his DNA, but as he could not win, he split himself as Muu did, the first part finished the battle as his second part teleported from the battlefield with Hashirama's DNA,..and he lost but dint die,.but also Hashirama was injured so he could not take his body but returned to the village for help to get madara's body only to find that it was not there, when the second part madara had returned and took it, so the village left.

As you have guessed he part that took off was tobi and resurrected madara stayed and beaten terribly,..but they did not merge after that, they researched and then madara got the rinnigan using hashirama's DNA,. but madara's body was too weak to handle the Rinnigan, and since they had separated so was tobi's body, so they kept it.
Proof as the story goes on, Some years passed but they dint forget their plan, as witnessed in the manga, Kisame's back story, madara was the one who invited kisame into akatsuki, proves he was still alive even then. Yes madara and tobi wanted the rinnigan to develop so they found Nagato who had alot of chakra as an uzumaki very young and handed him the rinnigan.,

But unfortunately madara was going to die so he left a huge mission for tobi so he can revive him with rennitensei, and come back to life. But nagato was a kid with undeveloped rinnigan so he could not do it, so tobi followed nagato to his growth waiting for the moment the rinnigan develops so he could revive madara, but instead he used all the development madara was waiting for to revive the leaf village, thats why tobi said that nagato's power was supposed to be his, meaning to revive his other half. And thats why tobi said he was an empty shell of his old self. But as nagato stated that he could revive only those he had killed after he entered the village, and also could not revive Yahiko beacuase rinnitensei has its time limits so by the time he got that jtutsu yahiko had died a long time ago. So even if tobi wanted to revive madara he could not because it was a long time, so tobi decided to collect the tailed beasts to use their mass chakra to bypass the time limit and revive madara who had died long ago.

What do you think triggered tobi to start a war to get Naruto and Bee,. after Nagato's death tobi's hope was lost as well so he decided to go on with the moons eye plan as he is, with out reviving madara. But near the start of war thats why tobi was so suprised to see kabuto summon madara but it was no use because he knew they could no longer merge, so was not interested. And when madara was summoned by kabuto, he already knew that before his death the plan was for tobi to use nagato to revive him, but was disappointed to be revived as an Edo.He could also use the rinnigan due limitless chakra of an Edo.

So let me stop explaining for it not to be too long,
So Tobi is Madara, also another proof, is that Muu said that splitting jutsu also splits his powers in half, so Tobi went with the teleporting powers, That's why Madara does not teleport, yet even the 4th hokage said madara could teleport, because tobi is the one who can.

So any plot-holes in my theory yet to come?



1. How did Madara learn to do the splitting techique, it doesnt use hand signs? Isnt this a part of his Kekkei Tota?

2. Why in the hell would TOBI AGE in this sinerio but Madara did not...? When Edo Tensei happened, Madara was still young. This means he died young. But if he survived from back then he should look as old as Tobi does, if they split evenly.

3. Muu was able to do Dust Release, his most powerful technique. This is after he split. No where does it say that when you split you also SPLIT TECHNIQUES. Are you trying to say that once someone uses the splitting technique they will lose powers that they had forever if they dont "remerge" with the entity he split with?!?

#FAIL
 

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LOL. I am very nice but I stopped on when Madara used Muu's technique. It is most likely a Bloodline Limit and not something that can be copied or learned. Tsuchikage does not do it. Plus Tobi and Madara are completely different personality wise. If you need to make clone/splitting theories, you got no evidence.
hey, tobi and madara different personalities, what are you talking about, have you even ever seen a serious Tobi, maybe you are talking about when he called himself tobi to deceive, sorry if you are not up to date manga or subbed anime, but tobi and madara do not different personalities,
maybe a little, which could have changed since tobi had to lie all those years, but still not that different
 

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You don't seem to be up to date. Look at the way Madara acts. First off, Tobi stopped acting like Madara once Naruto revealed that Kabuto summoned Madara. His body posture changed, and he stopped acting stoic and instead insane. He got all emo and mad and broke with the Madara act. Madara constantly compliments his opponents whent hey pull off something impressive like when he did with Naruto, "That is some kid!" But Tobi just talks trash like in his current fight with him, "He is nothing to me!". You cannot say they would have changed since Madara was already an adult and had a developed personality.
 

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Other than copying mu it sounds good its a solid theory +rep

but this is madara we are talking about he pulls some crazy things
 

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1. How did Madara learn to do the splitting techique, it doesnt use hand signs? Isnt this a part of his Kekkei Tota?

2. Why in the hell would TOBI AGE in this sinerio but Madara did not...? When Edo Tensei happened, Madara was still young. This means he died young. But if he survived from back then he should look as old as Tobi does, if they split evenly.

3. Muu was able to do Dust Release, his most powerful technique. This is after he split. No where does it say that when you split you also SPLIT TECHNIQUES. Are you trying to say that once someone uses the splitting technique they will lose powers that they had forever if they dont "remerge" with the entity he split with?!?

#FAIL
1. Fist of all, i told you madara is a genius and had the EMS, he could copy muu's jutsu dont compare him to those of kakashi who need hand seals all time,

2. you must have seen kisame being invited to akatsuki, honestly dint you see that was madara who invited him, so he was still alive by then, and i told you madara died some time back giving tobi all those years to AGE, madara approached kisame when he was a kid, that was madara no doubt, and when kisame saw tobi get off his mask, he called him 3rd mizukage whom he had seen before, are you trying to tell me tobi and madara are twins,.NO

3. Muu himself said that he did not have all his abilities after splitting, go recheck,...
 

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You don't seem to be up to date. Look at the way Madara acts. First off, Tobi stopped acting like Madara once Naruto revealed that Kabuto summoned Madara. His body posture changed, and he stopped acting stoic and instead insane. He got all emo and mad and broke with the Madara act. Madara constantly compliments his opponents whent hey pull off something impressive like when he did with Naruto, "That is some kid!" But Tobi just talks trash like in his current fight with him, "He is nothing to me!". You cannot say they would have changed since Madara was already an adult and had a developed personality.
when you make a theory, there are some things u cant get, you can not be 100% on everything,..some things pass, i wont tell u how tobi is going to get that personality but if you are serious not just a fanboy, just read the proofs i showed you,..and i hav just remembered another,..kisame was invited to akatsuki by who? we both know it was madara just go and recheck, but when kisame saw tobi get his mask off, he called him mizukage coz he had seen him before,...i will ask again, madara and tobi do u think they are twins,..answer NO...
 

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My theory about who tobi is and his relationship with madara..
please it may be long so please read all of it, u will understand, and thats why am not going to use manga pages for proof coz it will be very long, just remember as i state them,

So here i go,..the proof from manga i will say it last, 1st the story
Madara's brother died and madara left the village, he was ambitious as kabuto, wanting strength all the way, so he was always researching. Madara came in contact with Muu and his student Onoki, 3rd tsuchikage as you saw in the manga, they fought and Muu used his technique that splits him into two,..but madara's EMS was too good and he coped the technique.
Madara did everything as he read it at uchiha tablet,

Madara returned to the village where he fought the 1st hokage Hashirama, and he stole his DNA, but as he could not win, he split himself as Muu did, the first part finished the battle as his second part teleported from the battlefield with Hashirama's DNA,..and he lost but dint die,.but also Hashirama was injured so he could not take his body but returned to the village for help to get madara's body only to find that it was not there, when the second part madara had returned and took it, so the village left.

As you have guessed he part that took off was tobi and resurrected madara stayed and beaten terribly,..but they did not merge after that, they researched and then madara got the rinnigan using hashirama's DNA,. but madara's body was too weak to handle the Rinnigan, and since they had separated so was tobi's body, so they kept it.
Proof as the story goes on, Some years passed but they dint forget their plan, as witnessed in the manga, Kisame's back story, madara was the one who invited kisame into akatsuki, proves he was still alive even then. Yes madara and tobi wanted the rinnigan to develop so they found Nagato who had alot of chakra as an uzumaki very young and handed him the rinnigan.,

But unfortunately madara was going to die so he left a huge mission for tobi so he can revive him with rennitensei, and come back to life. But nagato was a kid with undeveloped rinnigan so he could not do it, so tobi followed nagato to his growth waiting for the moment the rinnigan develops so he could revive madara, but instead he used all the development madara was waiting for to revive the leaf village, thats why tobi said that nagato's power was supposed to be his, meaning to revive his other half. And thats why tobi said he was an empty shell of his old self. But as nagato stated that he could revive only those he had killed after he entered the village, and also could not revive Yahiko beacuase rinnitensei has its time limits so by the time he got that jtutsu yahiko had died a long time ago. So even if tobi wanted to revive madara he could not because it was a long time, so tobi decided to collect the tailed beasts to use their mass chakra to bypass the time limit and revive madara who had died long ago.

What do you think triggered tobi to start a war to get Naruto and Bee,. after Nagato's death tobi's hope was lost as well so he decided to go on with the moons eye plan as he is, with out reviving madara. But near the start of war thats why tobi was so suprised to see kabuto summon madara but it was no use because he knew they could no longer merge, so was not interested. And when madara was summoned by kabuto, he already knew that before his death the plan was for tobi to use nagato to revive him, but was disappointed to be revived as an Edo.He could also use the rinnigan due limitless chakra of an Edo.

So let me stop explaining for it not to be too long,
So Tobi is Madara, also another proof, is that Muu said that splitting jutsu also splits his powers in half, so Tobi went with the teleporting powers, That's why Madara does not teleport, yet even the 4th hokage said madara could teleport, because tobi is the one who can.

So any plot-holes in my theory yet to come?
First of all i am god damn sick of who the fck tobi is threads . Second, its boring as shit. and third, it isn't even very good and hardly makes sense.

sorri but im telling da truth.
 

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First of all i am god damn sick of who the fck tobi is threads . Second, its boring as shit. and third, it isn't even very good and hardly makes sense.

sorri but im telling da truth.
Your the kind of people who hate thinking, i wonder how you understand naruto, does someone explain to you, i would have written over 4 pages for you to understand, i saw your profile name and right away knew the problem,
you wanted me to make a thread that supports yours, your just a madara fanboy,

sorri but im telling da truth.
 

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I think this is a great theory, + rep sir.

To be honest, I think this is 100% the best explanation as to how Madara survived while Hashi still thought he was dead.

I mean we saw how fluid Muu used the split, right? If he could fool Oonoki so easily, Madara could have fooled Hashi IMO. But I obviously think Hashi did not return to get his corpse; rather, I think he died thinking Madara had died that day, just my opinion.

Anyway, the theory does have some decent plot holes like Tobi's personality, but I agree 100% that Tobi has direct relation or partially shares Madara's old body or SOMETHING along those lines because if you just focus on his eyes and the lines just above and below his eyes, they matchup perfectly.

Again, I really like the theory and the only real plot holes your theory gives off could be covered by the fact that Tobi has lived such a crappy and isolated life for so long. In reality, he could easily have gone insane 2 or 3 times since Madara's time, so I consider it very possible. Again, nice job with this.
 
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