My only problem with Kurama being extracted is.....

[saw2097]

Howso? Exchanging eyes are the natural process for Uchiha, to further develop themselves. Naruto just constantly leeches off of Kurama's chakra/power 24/7; 365.
I know it was foreshadowed, but atleast let Naruto develop himself on a certain level, because Naruto without Kurama is kind of sub-par.

Who says he still can't even with the 9 tails. He can still develop himself, but to get to Madara and Hashirama's level would take years and years of training without the 9 tails. The 9 tails counterbalances the years of experience Madara has.

 

[Lightbringer]

Its understandable, most people don't really like flashbacks.lol.

And when we see action or jutsu, its from the people whose arsenal we already know. lol (Minato/Naruto/Sasuke/Kakashi and etc).


Oh man you know what would be awesome? If Madara and Hashirama go down together. Remember how Naruto told Sasuke when they fought they would both die, something like that. TOOOO RAW.

I enjoy flashbacks, but I'd much rather have Madara be revived rather than it just being Obito....it makes the character interactions much more interesting

A ghost from the past fighting the new generation

Madara calls them weak, but the theme here is that the new generation is supposed to surpass the old

that's what I like about it.

Not to mention we have the most prominent Uchiha figure now meeting up with the last of the Uchiha.....Both Sasuke and Madara share qualities, and yet they are so different.....it's just an interesting dynamic

I'm not sure how I want Madara to go down, but I know I want Sasuke to be involved in that


also I could be mistaken, but I think Madara released Hashirama's edo tensei when he absorbed SM.....Hashi's body began crumbling.

 

[-Punk-]

Senjutus is effective against Jubi jins , I don't see a problem with Kurama being extracted , I think it would be better to see Naruto using more of his SM & taking it to the limit , what if he gets something new , kinda like what Kabuto did with DMS ? ............either way Naruto would still be a big player without Kurama , screw his look , this ain't no modeling show .

 

[Joker]

See here is the thing, its not a natural process. Natural process for the uchiha stops at the MS.

Well yea i see what you mean, but personally I think that is bound to happen after the war is over. I mean if he is gonna surpass Hashirama as a Hokage, he needs to freaking master a whole lot of jutsu.

I see, I guess you're right.

I thinks it's Kishimoto's fault, for not developing him correctly. Naruto should be strong without Kurama, and should only rely on him when absolutely needed; kind of like back-up I suppose, but this leeching off thing, irks me. Rock Lee works his ass off, to be slightly relevant, but all Naruto has to do is ask Kurama for some chakra, and BAM!


@Saw, what I mean is, it shouldn't have taken this long for Naruto to develop himself without the Kyuubi. There are other characters who work their asses off to compete, but yet they're over shadowed by Naruto simply due to the fact, he mooches off of Kurama. Personally, if there's another part or arc I don't think he's fit to be Hokage, or any type of leader.

 

[The Necromancer]

But isn't that what's naturally supposed to happen?

That's the naturally progression of the Doujutsu. Naruto, however leaches off of a chakra demon of near limitless power, AS WELL AS his own KKG in the form of monster life force and chakra as if that wasn't enough.

 

[bashkim]

Without Kurama he will lose . SM Naruto is strong, but I do not see how he will increase his power .

 

[Saiyan Prince Vegeta]

I want to see Naruto use that chakra he used to suppress Kurama all these years. Even if they did mix chakras when they became friends, it'd be nice to see how powerful his SM would become. Plus maybe Pa and Ma can make another appearance.

 

[Uchihajin Sasuke]

I do want Kurama to be extracted so we can see the complete form of the juubi

but without Kurama, Naruto won't have Bijuu mode

and Bijuu Mode just looks so badass......much better than his standard orange jumpsuit


I hope Naruto at least gets a new element like water or something......he could say that it was experimental and now's the perfect time to test his new nature out lol

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In other words, Naruto would be reduced to the fodder he really was ... Lol

 

[KingHashirama]

I enjoy flashbacks, but I'd much rather have Madara be revived rather than it just being Obito....it makes the character interactions much more interesting

A ghost from the past fighting the new generation

Madara calls them weak, but the theme here is that the new generation is supposed to surpass the old

that's what I like about it.

Not to mention we have the most prominent Uchiha figure now meeting up with the last of the Uchiha.....Both Sasuke and Madara share qualities, and yet they are so different.....it's just an interesting dynamic

I'm not sure how I want Madara to go down, but I know I want Sasuke to be involved in that


also I could be mistaken, but I think Madara released Hashirama's edo tensei when he absorbed SM.....Hashi's body began crumbling.

Yes the theme is that new surpasses the old. But look what happened with Obito, Naruto and etc did surpass him and beat him , BUT the one set up to finish Obito off in the end was his good old rival and friend Kakashi. Because those guys also have to "redeem" themselves in a way.


Yea Hashirama's edo tensei did start crumbling when the SM got absorbed (which i found weird, since Hashirama didn't have a sage mode on, i'm still thinking what Madara has is not a full powered SM), but uh he is just sitting there doing nothing and unable to move.

I see, I guess you're right.

I thinks it's Kishimoto's fault, for not developing him correctly. Naruto should be strong without Kurama, and should only rely on him when absolutely needed; kind of like back-up I suppose, but this leeching off thing, irks me. Rock Lee works his ass off, to be slightly relevant, but all Naruto has to do is ask Kurama for some chakra, and BAM!

Its literally the same as Ichigo and Luffy, untill now luffy relied on his rubber alone.

Also, the thing is Naruto's problems > Rock lee's.

 

[Lightbringer]

In other words, Naruto would be reduced to the fodder he really was ... Lol

actually I just like Bijuu mode.....it looks cool lol

 

[Champ]

BM actually looks lame on Naruto, it looks like the cloak is too big for him him, like he's wearing his big brother clothes. Minato looks better with it

 

[saw2097]

Senjutus is effective against Jubi jins , I don't see a problem with Kurama being extracted , I think it would be better to see Naruto using more of his SM & taking it to the limit , what if he gets something new , kinda like what Kabuto did with DMS ? ............either way Naruto would still be a big player without Kurama , screw his look , this ain't no modeling show .

Being effective and beating are two different things, even with BM a partially complete Ten Tails almost killed Naruto, having Naruto beat the Perfect Ten Tails Jinchuriki Madara with only Sage Mode will be overly ridiculous.

Naruto also had the entire SA powered by Kyuubi chakra, with the Hokage, the Five Kage, and Sasuke at his back last time as well.


Edit: Also Kurama has been our informant throughout the battle, he was here during the time of the Sage, he explains all the things that no one else can.

 

[Lightbringer]

Yes the theme is that new surpasses the old. But look what happened with Obito, Naruto and etc did surpass him and beat him , BUT the one set up to finish Obito off in the end was his good old rival and friend Kakashi. Because those guys also have to "redeem" themselves in a way.

Obito vs Naruto wasn't really new generation surpassing the old, I mean Obito lost because he doubted himself

I saw the theme of that battle being chasing a dream vs achieving a dream.

Obito chased a dream while Naruto is trying to achieve. Obito and Naruto are like Madara and Sasuke.....they both share qualities, but are still so very different because of the paths they chose.

my guess is that Hashirama has a limit he can be in Sage Mode

the only character we know that doesn't is Kabuto

I think that will probably play in Madara's downfall

BM actually looks lame on Naruto, it looks like the cloak is too big for him him, like he's wearing his big brother clothes. Minato looks better with it

to each his own I suppose, I personally like Naruto's more than Minato's

I like the big cloak....it makes him feel like a Sage

 

[-Punk-]

Being effective and beating are two different things, even with BM a partially complete Ten Tails almost killed Naruto, having Naruto beat the Perfect Ten Tails Jinchuriki Madara with only Sage Mode will be overly ridiculous.

Naruto also had the entire SA powered by Kyuubi chakra, with the Hokage, the Five Kage, and Sasuke at his back last time as well.


Edit: Also Kurama has been our informant throughout the battle, he was here during the time of the Sage, he explains all the things that no one else can.

I never said he would beat him , he is not doing it alone anyways & I like the fact that people will have to rely on their own powers instead of others , at least to me .

 

[KingHashirama]

Obito vs Naruto wasn't really new generation surpassing the old, I mean Obito lost because he doubted himself

I saw the theme of that battle being chasing a dream vs achieving a dream.

Obito chased a dream while Naruto is trying to achieve. Obito and Naruto are like Madara and Sasuke.....they both share qualities, but are still so very different because of the paths they chose.

my guess is that Hashirama has a limit he can be in Sage Mode

the only character we know that doesn't is Kabuto

I think that will probably play in Madara's downfall





to each his own I suppose, I personally like Naruto's more than Minato's

I like the big cloak....it makes him feel like a Sage

But the thing is he didn't doubt himself. He was only confused by Rin's memories. I mean even after he got defeated he only questioned Kakashi and then was persuaded.

I mean the same-thing will probably happen with Madara, because in reality he isn't a "EVILLLL" villain either, he also has a backstory that led him to do all this.

 

[Lightbringer]

But the thing is he didn't doubt himself. He was only confused by Rin's memories. I mean even after he got defeated he only questioned Kakashi and then was persuaded.

I mean the same-thing will probably happen with Madara, because in reality he isn't a "EVILLLL" villain either, he also has a backstory that led him to do all this.

no, Obito did doubt his resolve

he even says it, that's why the sword of Nunoboko broke

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and I doubt the same would happen to Madara

it's happened too many times already, and Madara with the EMS is supposed to represent a lost cause beyond reasoning......he didn't even reason with Hashirama all his life

He enjoys battle and wants power more than bringing peace.

 

[Mellanoma]

he will become the Juubi Jin and go into Juubi Mode (My sig)

 

[Tartarus]

It's way too redundant if Madara becomes a jinchuriki too. Why give the ultimate power to one villain and then play hot potato mcguffin to give it too another in the same arc. It makes the whole climax way too dragged out and repetitive.

 

[Lightbringer]

It's way too redundant if Madara becomes a jinchuriki too. Why give the ultimate power to one villain and then play hot potato mcguffin to give it too another in the same arc. It makes the whole climax way too dragged out and repetitive.

I don't think he'll become the juubi jin

I've said this before, but I'm hoping Madara completes the juubi and eats the fruit from it, giving him newfound power equal to the Rikudou Sennin

then he will fight maybe Sasuke/Orochimaru/Hashirama while Naruto, edo kage, and the alliance fight the complete juubi

 

[cptenn94]

I agree. I think haveing kurama extracted though, could lead for some more interesting development though.