[Discussion] My observation of Alt Right and Left

[Multiply]

Well yeah objectively it is a special right. Usa was founded as a white ethnostate and even if it was "built upon the backs of immigrants" thats like saying Egypt had a Jewish culture since they enslaved Jews. White culture is western culture.

It's not a special right. You're just mad.

What are you talking about. You're just saying shit at this point. Define western culture my guy and explain how that is 'white culture'.

 

[Clown World]

But you're admitting that white culture gets special treatment here. Also, what about the slaves that were brought over at the foundation of the U.S. that helped build it?

How is the right to marry a special right? Marriage isn't strictly religious. Marriage comes with governmental benefits, so saying that only a certain group can get married is treating that group with exclusive rights.

White culture is getting destroyed right now in usa as well as many other western countries. Marriage isn't a social institution, its a government and religious one. So you are saying that the government should pander to minority wishes? And they already have the same rights.

 

[Clown World]

It's not a special right. You're just mad.

What are you talking about. You're just saying shit at this point. Define western culture my guy and explain how that is 'white culture'.

"Western culture, sometimes equated with Western civilization, Occidental culture, the Western world, Western society, European civilization, or Judeo-Greco-Christian civilization,[2] is a term used very broadly to refer to a heritage of social norms, ethical values, traditional customs, belief systems, political systems and specific artifacts and technologies that have some origin or association with Europe. The term also applies beyond Europe, to countries and cultures whose histories are strongly connected to Europe by immigration, colonization, or influence. For example, Western Culture includes countries in the Americas and Australasia, whose language and demographic ethnicity majorities are currently European."

Race is culture.

 

[Lightbringer]

White culture is getting destroyed right now in usa as well as many other western countries. Marriage isn't a social institution, its a government and religious one. So you are saying that the government should pander to minority wishes? And they already have the same rights.

Are you saying that the government should pander to religious institutions even though there is supposed to be religious freedom and speration from church and state?

I thought we were talking about equality? And just a moment ago you were against giving special rights to groups, but now you're in favor of them when it has to do with straight white males? How is that not hypocritical?

What is white culture? Ancient Greeks and Romans practiced same *** relations openly and with pride? Were they not white?

 

[Clown World]

Are you saying that the government should pander to religious institutions even though there is supposed to be religious freedom and speration from church and state?

I thought we were talking about equality? And just a moment ago you were against giving special rights to groups, but now you're in favor of them when it has to do with straight white males? How is that not hypocritical?

Because straight white males built the society, and everything encompassing in it. The more stuff like homosexuality and the likes get normalized the more cases will occur, which has already started to occur, if this continues at this rate in a couple generations Society will crumble.

 

[Lightbringer]

Because straight white males built the society, and everything encompassing in it. The more stuff like homosexuality and the likes get normalized the more cases will occur, which has already started to occur, if this continues at this rate in a couple generations Society will crumble.

And do you have evidence that all of them were straight white males? Homosexuality existed since the dawn of man and the only reason it wasn't openly discussed in the U.S. until recently was because the bible forbade it. The Christian faith taught the wrath of God, and people were fearful and self-loathing of their own temptations. There's a lot of evidence that many Christians who attack gays are gay themselves.

You talk about white culture and how same *** relations will make society crumble, yet Ancient Greeks and Romans practiced same *** relations openly and proudly. It was part of their culture. And what makes it even more hypocritical is that the U.S. implemented many aspects of those societies into its own, and people in the U.S. constantly like to reference those societies as the pinnacle cultures of the Ancient World.

 

[Clown World]

And do you have evidence that all of them were straight white males? Homosexuality existed since the dawn of man and the only reason it wasn't openly discussed in the U.S. until recently was because the bible forbade it. The Christian faith taught the wrath of God, and people were self-loathing of their own temptations. There's a lot of evidence that many Christians who attack gays are gay themselves.

You talk about white culture and how same *** relations will make society crumble, yet Ancient Greeks and Romans practiced same *** relations openly and proudly. It was part of their culture. And what makes it even more hypocritical is that the U.S. implemented many aspects of those societies into its own, and people in the U.S. constantly like to reference those societies as the pinnacle cultures of the Ancient World.

im going to disregard your first paragraph simply because its stupid. The reason why there culture succeeded was because they still had high birth rates and the masculine gay men could still support society and operated like non homosexuals (besides the fact they couldn't reproduce)

 

[Lightbringer]

im going to disregard your first paragraph simply because its stupid. The reason why there culture succeeded was because they still had high birth rates and the masculine gay men could still support society and operated like non homosexuals (besides the fact they couldn't reproduce)

It's stupid because I asked for evidence for your bold claim? Ok...

Yet our population has grown exponentially even though gays exist....

Banning gay marriage doesn't stop one from being gay. So exactly what are you gaining from banning it? You're not going to dissuade people from being gay since it's genetic.

 

[Clown World]

It's stupid because I asked for evidence for your bold claim? Ok...

Yet our population has grown exponentially even though gays exist....

Banning gay marriage doesn't stop one from being gay. So exactly what are you gaining from banning it? You're not going to dissuade people from being gay since it's genetic.

Homosexuality is linked to your environment, not white population, the population increase is mainly due to immigration, not white birth rates.

 

[Lightbringer]

Homosexuality is linked to your environment, not white population, the population increase is mainly due to immigration, not white birth rates.

Homosexuality exists in every race and no it's not linked to your environment.

 

[Clown World]

Homosexuality exists in every race and no it's not linked to your environment.

Not exclusively, but its a combination. "Two large studies asked homosexual respondents to explain the origins of their desires and behaviors - how they "got that way." The first of these studies was conducted by Kinsey in the 1940s and involved 1700 homosexuals. The second, in 1970, (4) involved 979 homosexuals. Both were conducted prior to the period when the "gay rights" movement started to politicize the issue of homosexual origins. Both reported essentially the same findings: Homosexuals overwhelmingly believed their feelings and behavior were the result of social or environmental influences."

 

[Lightbringer]

Not exclusively, but its a combination. "Two large studies asked homosexual respondents to explain the origins of their desires and behaviors - how they "got that way." The first of these studies was conducted by Kinsey in the 1940s and involved 1700 homosexuals. The second, in 1970, (4) involved 979 homosexuals. Both were conducted prior to the period when the "gay rights" movement started to politicize the issue of homosexual origins. Both reported essentially the same findings: Homosexuals overwhelmingly believed their feelings and behavior were the result of social or environmental influences."

Belief isn't fact. You're citing archaic material and disregarding that after in the 70+ years since that study was made, new information has been come to light about the nature of homosexuality.

 

[kimb]

Well I don't know how free speech laws are in the U.K. but being labelled as a racist is a consequence of racist rhetoric.

Free speech goes hand in hand with criticism. So if you're complaining about people criticizing what you say, then you are also criticizing free speech and also fall under the category of a SJW. Just saying.

Free speech doesn't entail you being able to say anything without people having a problem with what you say. Free speech only means that you are able to express your opinion without governmental interference. Everything else is free game.

I don't think it's only a lack of government interference in free speech. I believe free speech entails speech being protected by the government. I don't to privatized or commercialized platforms being protected at federal level, just in a general sense. I could be wrong though

Not really a counter statement, just wanted to toss something in the mix.

Btw, do you think homosexuality is biological? Just curious.

 

[Clown World]

Belief isn't fact. You're citing archaic material and disregarding that after in the 70+ years since that study was made, new information has been come to light about the nature of homosexuality.

Its a mix "There is evidence that hormonal effects on the mother's nervous system during pregnancy may play a role in assigning gender identity. Those receiving lowered amounts of hormones from the parent may give rise to the child having problems identifying with their gender role. Normal amounts are thought to ready the child to receive the definitions and inputs on masculinity and femininity from the parents (Grellert et al. 1982). Thus, the gender role is a combination of both the biological and the social, rather than a product of one or the other.
It is in the period after infancy, when the child begins to develop language skills, until adulthood that the child begins to undergo very different processes. These processes are extremely culture-bound. It is through these processes that the child begins to organize how s/he will deal with the world. There are two experiences that dominant these
years. The first is the naming of the behaviors, and adult reactions to them, specifically the sexual. The second is the continued building of gender identities based on decisions made on the maleness or femaleness of the child by adults (parents, doctors, etc.).
A wealth of studies on families and twins show heredity accounting for between 30 and 70 percent of the variation in personality traits among people, leaving another 30 to 70 percent to be accounted for by the environment. Research shows that shared environmental factors (things siblings have in common), such as socioeconomic standing and what school
you attended, play only a small role in shaping basic personality traits. It is the environmental factors that siblings don't share, such as one's birth order in the family to a person's unique life experiences, that are the most influential in forging personality.
In a study by Hamer (http1), he linked male homosexuality to a stretch of genes on the X chromosome. A number of studies had shown that homosexuality is partly heritable, half of the identical twins of homosexual men are themselves homosexuals, proving such genes might exist. But the evidence also hinted that homosexuality is a complex trait, arising from the interaction of a number of genes and environmental factors. Hamer turned up the first evidence for what others would dub the "gay gene" in a study looking for the genes that caused certain people to be more susceptible to certain cancers. Hamer had gone fishing in the DNA of 40 pairs of homosexual brothers. His strategy was simple: siblings share, on average, half of their DNA. So if a particular gene did influence homosexuality, that gene would lie in the half of the DNA they have in common. With data from one pair of brothers, Hamer could narrow his search for a homosexuality gene from 100,000 genes to only 50,000 or so. With data from additional pairs of homosexual brothers, he could collect enough genetic information to close in on areas of overlap among them. In practice it wouldn't be so straightforward. It was unlikely, for instance, that every pair of brothers would share any one "gay" gene, given the earlier genetic studies that found no simple pattern of heritability. So Hamer would look instead for statistical anomaliesóbits of DNA that were shared by more pairs of brothers than would be expected by chance."

 

[Lightbringer]

Its a mix "There is evidence that hormonal effects on the mother's nervous system during pregnancy may play a role in assigning gender identity. Those receiving lowered amounts of hormones from the parent may give rise to the child having problems identifying with their gender role. Normal amounts are thought to ready the child to receive the definitions and inputs on masculinity and femininity from the parents (Grellert et al. 1982). Thus, the gender role is a combination of both the biological and the social, rather than a product of one or the other.
It is in the period after infancy, when the child begins to develop language skills, until adulthood that the child begins to undergo very different processes. These processes are extremely culture-bound. It is through these processes that the child begins to organize how s/he will deal with the world. There are two experiences that dominant these
years. The first is the naming of the behaviors, and adult reactions to them, specifically the sexual. The second is the continued building of gender identities based on decisions made on the maleness or femaleness of the child by adults (parents, doctors, etc.).
A wealth of studies on families and twins show heredity accounting for between 30 and 70 percent of the variation in personality traits among people, leaving another 30 to 70 percent to be accounted for by the environment. Research shows that shared environmental factors (things siblings have in common), such as socioeconomic standing and what school
you attended, play only a small role in shaping basic personality traits. It is the environmental factors that siblings don't share, such as one's birth order in the family to a person's unique life experiences, that are the most influential in forging personality.
In a study by Hamer (http1), he linked male homosexuality to a stretch of genes on the X chromosome. A number of studies had shown that homosexuality is partly heritable, half of the identical twins of homosexual men are themselves homosexuals, proving such genes might exist. But the evidence also hinted that homosexuality is a complex trait, arising from the interaction of a number of genes and environmental factors. Hamer turned up the first evidence for what others would dub the "gay gene" in a study looking for the genes that caused certain people to be more susceptible to certain cancers. Hamer had gone fishing in the DNA of 40 pairs of homosexual brothers. His strategy was simple: siblings share, on average, half of their DNA. So if a particular gene did influence homosexuality, that gene would lie in the half of the DNA they have in common. With data from one pair of brothers, Hamer could narrow his search for a homosexuality gene from 100,000 genes to only 50,000 or so. With data from additional pairs of homosexual brothers, he could collect enough genetic information to close in on areas of overlap among them. In practice it wouldn't be so straightforward. It was unlikely, for instance, that every pair of brothers would share any one "gay" gene, given the earlier genetic studies that found no simple pattern of heritability. So Hamer would look instead for statistical anomaliesóbits of DNA that were shared by more pairs of brothers than would be expected by chance."

Not sure what we're arguing at this point? We've went off topic.

Your claim was that allowing gay marriage is a special right and destroying white culture, and also leads to societal ruin...

Do you define white culture as being straight?

 

[Multiply]

Not exclusively, but its a combination. "Two large studies asked homosexual respondents to explain the origins of their desires and behaviors - how they "got that way." The first of these studies was conducted by Kinsey in the 1940s and involved 1700 homosexuals. The second, in 1970, (4) involved 979 homosexuals. Both were conducted prior to the period when the "gay rights" movement started to politicize the issue of homosexual origins. Both reported essentially the same findings: Homosexuals overwhelmingly believed their feelings and behavior were the result of social or environmental influences."

In that case, let's say all black people believed their skin color was caused by the results of social and environmental influences. Must be fact now because that's what they all said.

 

[roark]

Its a mix "There is evidence that hormonal effects on the mother's nervous system during pregnancy may play a role in assigning gender identity. Those receiving lowered amounts of hormones from the parent may give rise to the child having problems identifying with their gender role. Normal amounts are thought to ready the child to receive the definitions and inputs on masculinity and femininity from the parents (Grellert et al. 1982). Thus, the gender role is a combination of both the biological and the social, rather than a product of one or the other.
It is in the period after infancy, when the child begins to develop language skills, until adulthood that the child begins to undergo very different processes. These processes are extremely culture-bound. It is through these processes that the child begins to organize how s/he will deal with the world. There are two experiences that dominant these
years. The first is the naming of the behaviors, and adult reactions to them, specifically the sexual. The second is the continued building of gender identities based on decisions made on the maleness or femaleness of the child by adults (parents, doctors, etc.).
A wealth of studies on families and twins show heredity accounting for between 30 and 70 percent of the variation in personality traits among people, leaving another 30 to 70 percent to be accounted for by the environment. Research shows that shared environmental factors (things siblings have in common), such as socioeconomic standing and what school
you attended, play only a small role in shaping basic personality traits. It is the environmental factors that siblings don't share, such as one's birth order in the family to a person's unique life experiences, that are the most influential in forging personality.
In a study by Hamer (http1), he linked male homosexuality to a stretch of genes on the X chromosome. A number of studies had shown that homosexuality is partly heritable, half of the identical twins of homosexual men are themselves homosexuals, proving such genes might exist. But the evidence also hinted that homosexuality is a complex trait, arising from the interaction of a number of genes and environmental factors. Hamer turned up the first evidence for what others would dub the "gay gene" in a study looking for the genes that caused certain people to be more susceptible to certain cancers. Hamer had gone fishing in the DNA of 40 pairs of homosexual brothers. His strategy was simple: siblings share, on average, half of their DNA. So if a particular gene did influence homosexuality, that gene would lie in the half of the DNA they have in common. With data from one pair of brothers, Hamer could narrow his search for a homosexuality gene from 100,000 genes to only 50,000 or so. With data from additional pairs of homosexual brothers, he could collect enough genetic information to close in on areas of overlap among them. In practice it wouldn't be so straightforward. It was unlikely, for instance, that every pair of brothers would share any one "gay" gene, given the earlier genetic studies that found no simple pattern of heritability. So Hamer would look instead for statistical anomaliesóbits of DNA that were shared by more pairs of brothers than would be expected by chance."

You make no sense at all and is contradicting yourself in every post....