My Muslim Friends Tell Me Islam Is About Peace and Love. Is this True?

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Islam is derived from aslama, which means "to surrender" or "resign oneself". The Arabic meaning for Islam is ''peace''. Therefore, by submitting yourself to Islam, you will find peace within yourself. Yes, Islam is a religion of but also justice and mercy.

 

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Islam is derived from aslama, which means "to surrender" or "resign oneself". The Arabic meaning for Islam is ''peace''. Therefore, by submitting yourself to Islam, you will find peace within yourself. Yes, Islam is a religion of but also justice and mercy.

Yeah it means to submit to Allah and not in a bad way I like this post

 

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By Abu Amina Elias

In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful

The most dangerous sect in Islam are the Kharijites (al-khawarij). They have existed since the very early period of Islam and they will continue to cause strife in the Muslim nation until the end of time when they will join forces with the False Messiah (dajjal). We must be aware of their ideology and characteristics in order to protect ourselves from unwittingly supporting their destructive behavior.

The Kharijites earned their name (from the root kh-ra-ja meaning “to go out”) because they exited Islam and the Muslim community due to their heretical innovations. They will recite the Quran but it will not go beyond their throats, meaning it will not enter their hearts and they will not understand it.

Abu Sa’eed Al-Khudri reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said:

يَخْرُجُ نَاسٌ مِنْ قِبَلِ الْمَشْرِقِ وَيَقْرَءُونَ الْقُرْآنَ لَا يُجَاوِزُ تَرَاقِيَهُمْ يَمْرُقُونَ مِنْ الدِّينِ كَمَا يَمْرُقُ السَّهْمُ مِنْ الرَّمِيَّةِ ثُمَّ لَا يَعُودُونَ فِيهِ حَتَّى يَعُودَ السَّهْمُ إِلَى فُوقِهِ

There will come a people from the east who recite the Quran but it will not go beyond their throats. They will pass through the religion just as an arrow pierces its target and they will not return to it just as the arrow does not return to the bow.

Source: Sahih Bukhari 7123, Grade: Sahih

The Kharijite ideology is based upon the following evil tenets:

Declaring Muslims to be unbelievers.
Rejecting lawful obedience to the rulers.
Justifying violence against Muslims and innocent people.
The correct Islamic belief is that no Muslim can become an unbeliever due to his sins alone.

Imam At-Tahawi states:

وَلَا نُكَفِّرُ أَحَدًا مِنْ أَهْلِ الْقِبْلَةِ بِذَنْبٍ مَا لَمْ يَسْتَحِلَّهُ وَلَا نَقُولُ لَا يَضُرُّ مَعَ الْإِيمَانِ ذَنْبٌ لِمَنْ عَمِلَهُ

We do not excommunicate anyone who prays toward Mecca because of their sins as long as he does not consider them lawful, and we do not say sins do not harm the faith of those who commit them.

Source: Aqeedah At-Tahawi

A Muslim must explicitly disavow Islam in order to be properly considered an unbeliever.

Imam At-Tahawi states:

وَلَا يَخْرُجُ الْعَبْدُ مِنَ الْإِيمَانِ إِلَّا بِجُحُودِ مَا أَدْخَلَهُ فِيهِ

A person does not leave faith except by disavowing what brought him into it.

Source: Aqeedah At-Tahawi

In contrast, the Kharijites charge other Muslims with unbelief due to their sins or perceived sins in order to justify their merciless and criminal behavior towards them.

Ibn Taymiyyah writes:

وَالْخَوَارِجُ هُمْ أَوَّلُ مَنْ كَفَّرَ الْمُسْلِمِينَ يُكَفِّرُونَ بِالذُّنُوبِ ، وَيُكَفِّرُونَ مَنْ خَالَفَهُمْ فِي بِدْعَتِهِمْ وَيَسْتَحِلُّونَ دَمَهُ وَمَالَهُ وَهَذِهِ حَالُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ يَبْتَدِعُونَ بِدْعَةً وَيُكَفِّرُونَ مَنْ خَالَفَهُمْ فِيهَا وَأَهْلُ السُّنَّةِ وَالْجَمَاعَةِ يَتَّبِعُونَ الْكِتَابَ وَالسُّنَّةَ وَيُطِيعُونَ اللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ فَيَتَّبِعُونَ الْحَقَّ وَيَرْحَمُونَ الْخَلْقَ

The Kharijite sect was the first to declare Muslims to be unbelievers because of their sins. They charged as unbelievers whoever disagreed with their innovations and they made lawful the spilling of blood and the taking of wealth. This is the condition of the people of innovation, that they invent some religious innovation and then they excommunicate whoever disagrees with them concerning it. Rather, the people of the Sunnah and the community follow the Book and the Sunnah and they obey Allah and His Messenger and follow the truth. They have mercy upon the creation.

Source: Majmu’ Al-Fatawa 1/278

True Muslims have mercy upon the entire creation, including unbelievers and idolaters, but the Kharaijites have no mercy for those outside their group. They declare other Muslims to be unbelievers by misinterpreting and misapplying the verses of the Quran.

Al-Bukhari reported: Ibn Umar, may Allah be pleased with him, considered the Kharijites to be the worst of Allah’s creation and he said:

إِنَّهُمْ انْطَلَقُوا إِلَى آيَاتٍ نَزَلَتْ فِي الْكُفَّارِ فَجَعَلُوهَا عَلَى الْمُؤْمِنِينَ

Indeed, they take verses that were revealed about unbelievers and use them against the believers.

Source: Sahih Bukhari 6531, Grade: Sahih

In the early period of Islam, they declared Ali ibn Abi Talib to be an unbeliever when he intended to reconcile with Mu’awiyah.

Ubaidullah ibn Abu Rafi reported: The Kharijites came out against Ali, may Allah be pleased with him, and they said:

لَا حُكْمَ إِلَّا لِلَّهِ

There is no rule but for Allah. (12:40)

Ali said:

كَلِمَةُ حَقٍّ أُرِيدَ بِهَا بَاطِلٌ

A word of truth by which is intended falsehood.

Source: Sahih Muslim 1066, Grade: Sahih

The original Kharijites misused the verse “there is no rule but for Allah,” (12:40) by not properly distinguishing between matters upon which Allah has definitively ruled and matters left open to interpretation, consultation, and human decision-making. Ali ibn Abi Talib decisively refuted them with the Quran.

Ibn Hajar reported: The Kharijites indicted Ali and they said:

انْسَلَخْتَ مِنْ قَمِيصٍ أَلْبَسَكَهُ اللَّهُ وَمِنِ اسْمٍ سَمَّاكَ اللَّهُ بِهِ ثُمَّ حَكَّمْتَ الرِّجَالَ فِي دِينِ اللَّهِ وَلَا حُكْمَ إِلَّا لِلَّهِ

You have replaced the authority Allah has given you and the name with which He named you. Then, you judged with the judgment of men in the religion of Allah while ‘there is no rule but for Allah.’ (12:40)

When Ali heard this, he gathered the people and he called for the greatest scripture (mushaf) and he started striking it with his hand and saying:

أَيُّهَا الْمُصْحَفُ حَدِّثِ النَّاسَ

O you scripture, speak to the people!

They said, “It is not a person. It is only ink and paper. We are speaking about what is narrated from it.” Ali said:

كِتَابُ اللَّهِ بَيْنِي وَبَيْنَ هَؤُلَاءِ يَقُولُ اللَّهُ فِي امْرَأَةِ رَجُلٍ وَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ شِقَاقَ بَيْنِهِمَا فَابْعَثُوا الْآيَةَ وَأُمَّةُ مُحَمَّدٍ أَعْظَمُ مِنِ امْرَأَةِ رَجُلٍ وَنَقَمُوا عَلَيَّ أَنْ كَاتَبْتُ مُعَاوِيَةَ وَقَدْ كَاتَبَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ سُهَيْلَ بْنَ عَمْرٍو وَلَقَدْ كَانَ لَكُمْ فِي رَسُولِ اللَّهِ أُسْوَةٌ حَسَنَةٌ

The Book of Allah is between myself and these people. Allah said regarding the woman and man: If you fear dissension between the two, send an arbitrator from his people… (4:35), and the nation of Muhammad is greater than the affair of a woman and a man. They have taken vengeance upon me because I have written to Mu’awiyah and yet the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, had written to Suhail ibn Amr and: You certainly have in the Messenger of Allah an excellent example. (33:21)

Source: Fath ul-Bari from Sunan Al-Bayhaqi 16230, Grade: Sahih

The Kharijites believe their opinions regarding leadership, government, politics, and the Sharia are the only valid opinions in Islam and whoever disagrees with them becomes an unbeliever. However, the truth is that much of these matters are left open to interpretation and consultation among the Muslims.

In fact, the Prophet commanded us to distinguish between the rule of Allah and the rule of people and not to claim our opinions are the rulings of Allah.

Buraida reported: When the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, would appoint a commander over the army, he would personally enjoin him to fear Allah and to be good with the Muslims who were with him. The Prophet would say:

وَإِذَا حَاصَرْتَ أَهْلَ حِصْنٍ فَأَرَادُوكَ أَنْ تَجْعَلَ لَهُمْ ذِمَّةَ اللَّهِ وَذِمَّةَ نَبِيِّهِ فَلَا تَجْعَلْ لَهُمْ ذِمَّةَ اللَّهِ وَلَا ذِمَّةَ نَبِيِّهِ وَلَكِنْ اجْعَلْ لَهُمْ ذِمَّتَكَ وَذِمَّةَ أَصْحَابِكَ فَإِنَّكُمْ أَنْ تُخْفِرُوا ذِمَمَكُمْ وَذِمَمَ أَصْحَابِكُمْ أَهْوَنُ مِنْ أَنْ تُخْفِرُوا ذِمَّةَ اللَّهِ وَذِمَّةَ رَسُولِهِ وَإِذَا حَاصَرْتَ أَهْلَ حِصْنٍ فَأَرَادُوكَ أَنْ تُنْزِلَهُمْ عَلَى حُكْمِ اللَّهِ فَلَا تُنْزِلْهُمْ عَلَى حُكْمِ اللَّهِ وَلَكِنْ أَنْزِلْهُمْ عَلَى حُكْمِكَ فَإِنَّكَ لَا تَدْرِي أَتُصِيبُ حُكْمَ اللَّهِ فِيهِمْ أَمْ لَا

When you besiege the people of a fortress and they appeal to you for protection in the name of Allah and His Prophet, do not give them protection in the name of Allah and His Prophet but rather give them protection in the name of you and your companions. Verily, for you to violate the protection of yourself and your companions is a lesser sin than to violate the protection of Allah and His Messenger. When you besiege the people of a fortress and they appeal for you to bring them out according to the rule of Allah, do not bring them our according to the rule of Allah but rather bring them out according to your ruling. Verily, you do not know if you will judge with the ruling of Allah concerning them or not.

Source: Sahih Muslim 1731, Grade: Sahih

Thus, Muslims must distinguish between the rule of Allah and the rule of people. Yet the Kharijites, who make no such distinction, will charge other Muslims with unbelief who disagree with their views. In fact, the Kharijites do not simply declare Muslims to be unbelievers in a theoretical way, but rather they call for violent rebellion against entire Muslim societies.

Regarding Muslim rulers, the correct Islamic belief is that we must obey them in all lawful matters. We should only disobey them if they command us to commit sins and we may not call for a violent overthrow of their governments as long as they allow the prayer.

Umm Salamah reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said:

سَتَكُونُ أُمَرَاءُ فَتَعْرِفُونَ وَتُنْكِرُونَ فَمَنْ عَرَفَ بَرِئَ وَمَنْ أَنْكَرَ سَلِمَ وَلَكِنْ مَنْ رَضِيَ وَتَابَعَ

There will be rulers from whom you will see both goodness and corruption. One who recognizes their evil and hates it will maintain his innocence, but one who is pleased with it and follows them will be sinful.

It was said, “Shall we not fight them?” The Prophet said:

لَا مَا صَلَّوْا

No, as long as they pray.

Source: Sahih Muslim 1854, Grade: Sahih

As long as Muslims are allowed to pray and practice the pillars of Islam, then there is no justification for declaring a rebellion against the rulers. In contrast, the Kharijites rebel against the ruler not to protect the religion, but rather for inexcusable worldly reasons.

Abu Hayyan reported: A man from the Kharijites came to Hasan Al-Basri and he said, “What do you say about the rebels?” Hasan said:

هم أصحاب دنيا

They are seekers of the world.

He said, “Why do you say that when one of them goes out with his spear until it breaks and he leaves his family and children?” Hasan said:

حدثني عن السلطان أيمنعك من إقامة الصلاة وإيتاء الزكاة والحج والعمرة

Tell me about the ruler. Does he prevent you from establishing prayer, giving charity, and performing the pilgrimage?

He said no. Hasan said:

فأراه إنما منعك الدنيا فقاتلته عليها

As I see it, he has only prevented you from seeking the world and you have fought him for it.

Source: Al-Basa’ir wal Dhakha’ir 1/34

In general, Muslims must work to reform societies through non-violent methods such as teaching, preaching, and charity. Violence is only a last resort in the worst case. The Kharijites, on the other hand, charge Muslim leaders with unbelief and anyone else who does not support their call for violent rebellion. In this way, they justify indiscriminate violence against entire Muslim societies.

Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said:

مَنْ خَرَجَ مِنَ الطَّاعَةِ وَفَارَقَ الْجَمَاعَةَ فَمَاتَ مَاتَ مِيتَةً جَاهِلِيَّةً وَمَنْ قَاتَلَ تَحْتَ رَايَةٍ عُمِّيَّةٍ يَغْضَبُ لِعَصَبَةٍ أَوْ يَدْعُو إِلَى عَصَبَةٍ أَوْ يَنْصُرُ عَصَبَةً فَقُتِلَ فَقِتْلَةٌ جَاهِلِيَّةٌ وَمَنْ خَرَجَ عَلَى أُمَّتِي يَضْرِبُ بَرَّهَا وَفَاجِرَهَا وَلاَ يَتَحَاشَ مِنْ مُؤْمِنِهَا وَلاَ يَفِي لِذِي عَهْدٍ عَهْدَهُ فَلَيْسَ مِنِّي وَلَسْتُ مِنْهُ

Whoever rejects obedience to the leader and divides the community and dies will have died upon ignorance. Whoever fights under the banner of one who is blind, raging for the sake of tribalism, or calling to tribalism, or supporting tribalism, and is killed will have died upon ignorance. Whoever rebels against my nation, striking the righteous and wicked alike and sparing not even the believers and does not fulfill the pledge of security, then he has nothing to do with me and I have nothing to do with him.

Source: Sahih Muslim 1848, Grade: Sahih

This narration succinctly describes the characteristics of the Kharijites and their violent behavior. They reject lawful obedience to Muslim leaders and they fight according to their tribal zeal, meaning they are not concerned with justice for their victims. They attack both the righteous and the wicked, and they do not honor covenants of security and the protection of civilians.

In our times, you will see them target markets, bus stations, airports, and other places frequented by unarmed civilians. The purpose of such attacks is not to achieve any immediate military objectives, but rather to spread terror among the population and destabilize the government. In this way, they follow the same path as the first Kharijites in the early period of Islam.

At-Tabari reported:

فأتت الخوارج قريته فأخذوه وأخذوا ابنته فقدموا ابنته فقتلوها وزعم لي أبو الربيع السلولي أن اسم ابنته أم يزيد وأنها كانت تقول لهم يا أهل الإسلام إن أبي مصاب فلا تقتلوه وأما أنا فإنما أنا جارية والله ما أتيت فاحشة قط ولا آذيت جارة لي ولا تطلعت ولا تشرفت قط فقدموها ليقتلوها فأخذت تنادي ما ذنبي ما ذنبي ثم سقطت مغشيا عليها أو ميتة ثم قطعوها بأسيافهم

The Khawarij came to a village and they seized a man and his daughter. She said to them, “O people of Islam! Indeed, my father is an old man so do not kill him, and I am only a girl. By Allah, I have never been immoral and I have never harmed anyone.” They brought her to kill her and she kept saying, “What is my sin? What is my sin?” Then she fainted and they killed her with their swords.

Source: Tareekh At-Tabari 1512

Ibn Kathir writes:

إِذْ لَوْ قَوُوا هَؤُلَاءِ لَأَفْسَدُوا الْأَرْضَ كُلَّهَا عِرَاقًا وَشَامًا وَلَمْ يَتْرُكُوا طِفْلًا وَلَا طِفْلَةَ وَلَا رَجُلًا وَلَا امْرَأَةً لِأَنَّ النَّاسَ عِنْدَهُمْ قَدْ فَسَدُوا فَسَادًا لَا يُصْلِحُهُمْ إِلَّا الْقَتْلُ جُمْلَةً

If the Khawarij ever gained power, they would corrupt the entire earth, Iraq, and Syria. They would not leave a boy or a girl or a man or a woman, for in their view the people have become so corrupt that they cannot be reformed except by mass killing.

Source: Al-Bidayah wa Nihayah 10/584

Wherever they appear, the Kharijites cause division among the Muslims at large and even among their own groups. Whenever they form a group, it is not long before splinter groups and off-shoots appear with each one claiming to have the right to seize the Caliphate.

Wahb ibn Munabbih said:

أني قد أدركت صدر الإسلام فوالله ما كانت للخوارج جماعة قط إلا فرقها اللَّه على شر حالاتهم وما أظهر أحد منهم رأيه قط إلا ضرب اللَّه عنقه وما اجتمعت الأمة على رجل قط من الخوارج ولو أمكن اللَّه الخوارج من رأيهم لفسدت الأرض وقطعت السبل وقطع الحج من بيت اللَّه الحرام وإذا لعاد أمر الإسلام جاهلية حتى يعود الناس يستغيثون برءوس الجبال كما كانوا في الجاهلية وإذا لقام أكثر من عشرة أو عشرين رجلا ليس منهم رجل إلا وهو يدعو إلى نفسه بالخلافة ومع كل رجل منهم أكثر من عشرة آلاف يقاتل بعضهم بعضا ويشهد بعضهم على بعض بالكفر حتى يصبح الرجل المؤمن خائفا على نفسه ودينه ودمه وأهله وماله لا يدري أين يسلك أو مع من يكون

I knew the early period of Islam. By Allah, the Kharijites never had a group except that Allah caused it to split due to their evil condition. Never did one of them proclaim his opinion except that Allah caused his neck to be struck. Never did the Muslim nation unite upon a man from the Kharijites. If Allah had allowed the opinion of the Kharijites to take root, the earth would have been corrupted, the roadways would have been cut off, the Hajj pilgrimage to the sacred house of Allah would have been cut off, and the affair of Islam would have returned to ignorance until the people would seek refuge in the mountains as they had done in the time of ignorance. If there were to arise among them ten or twenty men, there would not be a man among them except that he would claim the Caliphate for himself. With each man among them would be ten thousand others, all of them fighting each other and charging each other with unbelief until even the believer would fear for himself, his religion, his life, his family, his wealth, and he would not know where to travel or with whom he should be.

Source: Ta’reekh Dimshaq 69290

Nevertheless, the Kharijites have been successful recruiting ignorant or desperate Muslims. The Prophet described them as using beautiful Islamic rhetoric and selling “foolish dreams” to the Muslim masses.

Ali ibn Abu Talib reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said:

يَأْتِي فِي آخِرِ الزَّمَانِ قَوْمٌ حُدَثَاءُ الْأَسْنَانِ سُفَهَاءُ الْأَحْلَامِ يَقُولُونَ مِنْ خَيْرِ قَوْلِ الْبَرِيَّةِ يَمْرُقُونَ مِنْ الْإِسْلَامِ كَمَا يَمْرُقُ السَّهْمُ مِنْ الرَّمِيَّةِ لَا يُجَاوِزُ إِيمَانُهُمْ حَنَاجِرَهُمْ

In the last days, there will be young people with foolish dreams. They will say the best of words in creation but they will pass through Islam just as an arrow passes through its game. Their faith will not go beyond their throats.

Source: Sahih Bukhari 4770, Grade: Muttafaqun Alayhi

Their “foolish dreams” are their promises of an Islamic Utopia, a glorious jihad, a new Caliphate that will bring honor and strength back to the Muslims. Yet, their dreams are unrealistic and their methodologies dangerous to the very people they claim to be helping. Their understanding of faith is so shallow, superficial, and hypocritical that they cause even greater harm to Muslim community.

In another narration, the Prophet described them saying:

سَيَكُونُ فِي أُمَّتِي اخْتِلَافٌ وَفُرْقَةٌ قَوْمٌ يُحْسِنُونَ الْقِيلَ وَيُسِيئُونَ الْفِعْلَ يَقْرَءُونَ الْقُرْآنَ لَا يُجَاوِزُ تَرَاقِيَهُمْ يَمْرُقُونَ مِنْ الدِّينِ مُرُوقَ السَّهْمِ مِنْ الرَّمِيَّةِ لَا يَرْجِعُونَ حَتَّى يَرْتَدَّ عَلَى فُوقِهِ هُمْ شَرُّ الْخَلْقِ وَالْخَلِيقَةِ

There will be dissension and division in my nation and a people will come with beautiful words but evil deeds. They recite the Quran but it will not pass beyond their throats. They will leave the religion as an arrow leaves its target and they will not return until the arrows returns to its notch. They are the worst of the creation.

Source: Sunan Abu Dawud 4765, Grade: Sahih

Indeed, like their predecessors their preaching and propaganda entices people to join their cause but by their actions they are the worst of the creation, even though they recite the Quran and call to Islam. They bring forth verses of the Quran to bolster their arguments but they wield them against the objectives of Islam.

Usama ibn Zaid reported: Sa’d, may Allah be pleased with him, said:

وَأَنَا وَاللَّهِ لَا أَقْتُلُ مُسْلِمًا حَتَّى يَقْتُلَهُ ذُو الْبُطَيْنِ

By Allah, I would never kill a Muslim as this one had killed him.

A man said to him:

أَلَمْ يَقُلْ اللَّهُ وَقَاتِلُوهُمْ حَتَّى لَا تَكُونَ فِتْنَةٌ وَيَكُونَ الدِّينُ كُلُّهُ لِلَّهِ

Did not Allah say: Fight them until there is no more persecution and religion is entirely for Allah? (2:193)

Sa’d said:

قَدْ قَاتَلْنَا حَتَّى لَا تَكُونَ فِتْنَةٌ وَأَنْتَ وَأَصْحَابُكَ تُرِيدُونَ أَنْ تُقَاتِلُوا حَتَّى تَكُونُ فِتْنَةٌ

We did fight them until there was no more persecution, but you and your companions intend to fight until there is persecution.

Source: Sahih Muslim 96, Grade: Muttafaqun Alayhi

Sa’eed ibn Jubair reported: We were met by Abdullah ibn Umar and we hoped that he would narrate to us a good saying. A man approached him and he said, “O Abu Abdur Rahman, tell us about fighting during times of persecution as Allah said: And fight until there is no more persecution.” (2:193) Ibn Umar said:

هَلْ تَدْرِي مَا الْفِتْنَةُ ثَكِلَتْكَ أُمُّكَ إِنَّمَا كَانَ مُحَمَّدٌ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ يُقَاتِلُ الْمُشْرِكِينَ وَكَانَ الدُّخُولُ فِي دِينِهِمْ فِتْنَةً وَلَيْسَ كَقِتَالِكُمْ عَلَى الْمُلْكِ

Do you know what persecution is? May your mother be bereaved of you! Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, only fought the idolaters as there was persecution for practicing their religion. It was not like your fighting for the sake of ruling.

Source: Sahih Bukhari 6682, Grade: Sahih

The purpose of a just war in Islam is to end religious persecution and to protect innocent people, yet the Kharijites use such verses to further persecute Muslims and to justify their worldly ambitions of political power.

We will continue to see the violent call of the Kharijites appear again and again until the end of time when the False Messiah appears among them. They follow the same Satanic forces from which will emerge the greatest tribulation and suffering ever faced by humanity.

Abdullah ibn Amr reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said:

سَيَخْرُجُ أُنَاسٌ مِنْ أُمَّتِي مِنْ قِبَلِ الْمَشْرِقِ يَقْرَءُونَ الْقُرْآنَ لَا يُجَاوِزُ تَرَاقِيَهُمْ كُلَّمَا خَرَجَ مِنْهُمْ قَرْنٌ قُطِعَ كُلَّمَا خَرَجَ مِنْهُمْ قَرْنٌ قُطِعَ

There will emerge from the east some people from my nation who recite the Quran but it will not go beyond their throats. Every time a faction of them emerges it will be cut off.

The Prophet repeated this and on the tenth time he said:

كُلَّمَا خَرَجَ مِنْهُمْ قَرْنٌ قُطِعَ حَتَّى يَخْرُجَ الدَّجَّالُ فِي بَقِيَّتِهِمْ

Every time a faction of them emerges it will be cut off until the False Messiah emerges from their remnants.

Source: Musnad Ahmad 27767, Grade: Sahih

As such, in our times we are witnessing a number of conflicts between oppressive governments and rebel Kharijite forces. Muslims are stuck between the spear of the ruler and the sword of the rebel. In such cases, we must remain patient and work to reform and improve our communities through education, preaching, and charity.

Abdullah ibn Amr reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said:

تَكُونُ فِتْنَةٌ تَسْتَنْظِفُ الْعَرَبَ قَتْلَاهَا فِي النَّارِ اللِّسَانُ فِيهَا أَشَدُّ مِنْ وَقْعِ السَّيْفِ

There will be a tribulation that will wipe out the Arabs in which those killed on both sides are in the Hellfire. In that time the tongue will be stronger than the sword.

Source: Musnad Ahmad 6941, Grade: Sahih

If we are not careful, we might fall into the sins of either side of the conflict by legitimizing the misdeeds of an oppressive government or justifying acts of terrorism in response. We should not rush to support one or another side in such conflicts as they are tribulations (fitnah) in which the truth is unclear.

Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said:

سَتَكُونُ فِتَنٌ الْقَاعِدُ فِيهَا خَيْرٌ مِنْ الْقَائِمِ وَالْقَائِمُ خَيْرٌ مِنْ الْمَاشِي وَالْمَاشِي فِيهَا خَيْرٌ مِنْ السَّاعِي مَنْ تَشَرَّفَ لَهَا تَسْتَشْرِفْهُ فَمَنْ وَجَدَ مَلْجَأً أَوْ مَعَاذًا فَلْيَعُذْ بِهِ

There will be tribulations during which a sitting person will be better than the one standing. The one standing will be better than the one walking. The one walking will be better than the one running. Whoever exposes himself to these tribulations will be destroyed, so whoever finds a place of protection or refuge should take shelter in it.

Source: Sahih Bukhari 6670, Grade: Muttafaqun Alayhi

Rather, we must be patient, resist calls for violence, and avoid getting involved in these conflicts. If we are patient, it will not be long before Allah will give us a way out. But if we call for violence, then Allah will heap more violence upon us.

Hasan Al-Basri, may Allah have mercy on him, said:

لَوْ أَنَّ النَّاسَ إِذَا ابْتُلُوا مِنْ قِبَلِ سُلْطَانِهِمْ صَبَرُوا مَا لَبِثُوا أَنْ يُفْرَجَ عَنْهُمْ وَلَكِنَّهُمْ يَجْزَعُونَ إِلَى السَّيْفِ فَيُوَكَّلُونَ إِلَيْهِ فَوَاللَّهِ مَا جَاءُوا بِيَوْمِ خَيْرٍ قَطُّ

If the people had patience when they are being tested by their unjust ruler, it will not be long before Allah will give them a way out. However, they always rush to their swords, so they are left with their swords. By Allah, not even for a single day did they bring about any good.

Source: Tabaqat Al-Kubra 8789

If you're a muslim, surely you know who the khawarijid are. Especially in this day and age, in high numbers on top of that.

 

[Solidus Solidus Solidus]

Mirajane is peace and love.

 

[Pride]

Why wont moderate muslims come out and say that they are not terrorists?

 

[CrimsonReaper]

Why wont moderate muslims come out and say that they are not terrorists?

they didn't? :wut:

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Islam is derived from aslama, which means "to surrender" or "resign oneself". The Arabic meaning for Islam is ''peace''. Therefore, by submitting yourself to Islam, you will find peace within yourself. Yes, Islam is a religion of but also justice and mercy.

How can it be the religion of peace, justice, and mercy when leaving Islam or being a homosexual is punishable by death?

 

[Multiply]

Why wont moderate muslims come out and say that they are not terrorists?

Since when do people have to come out and say they aren't something? Should I, as a black, man have to walk into every store announcing I'm not a thug because that is a common stereotype? Should white men have to walk into schools announcing they will not shoot anyone because that is a common stereotype? Should Mexican families have to announce that they are not illegal immigrants everywhere they go because that is a common stereotype?

Check your privilege.

 

[Izou Xaxa]

Yes it is actually

ISIS are just sinners that interfered and actually extremists are just extreme islam that are harsh on people disrespecting it or breakin g rules but they cannot possibly be ISIS because ISIS rules all support things that are forbidden in ISLam

 

[Hawker]

Yes it is actually

ISIS are just sinners that interfered and actually extremists are just extreme islam that are harsh on people disrespecting it or breakin g rules but they cannot possibly be ISIS because ISIS rules all support things that are forbidden in ISLam

You are wrong since extremism in Islam is silently approved by a big part of muslims.
The problem is the muslim culture and islam as a whole. The problem is that it is a law religion with very conservative and discriminating values. The culture of muslims breeds psychopaths. Why is this? I don't know, but here is proof that fundamentalist mentality is in fact a generally accepted mindset in the communities of european muslims:



ICM Poll: 20% of British Muslims sympathize with 7/7 bombers

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1/3 of muslim students in Britain think that killing in the name of religion is justified:

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NOP Research: 1 in 4 British Muslims say 7/7 bombings were justified

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People-Press: 31% of Turks support suicide attacks against Westerners in Iraq.

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YNet: One third of Palestinians (32%) supported the slaughter of a Jewish family, including the children:

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Pew Research (2007): 26% of younger Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are justified.

35% of young Muslims in Britain believe suicide bombings are justified (24% overall).

42% of young Muslims in France believe suicide bombings are justified (35% overall).

22% of young Muslims in Germany believe suicide bombings are justified.(13% overall).

29% of young Muslims in Spain believe suicide bombings are justified.(25% overall).

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Pew Research (2007): Muslim-Americans who identify more strongly with their religion are three times more likely to feel that suicide bombings are justified

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ICM: 5% of Muslims in Britain tell pollsters they would not report a planned Islamic terror attack to authorities. 27% do not support the deportation of Islamic extremists preaching violence and hate.

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Federation of Student Islamic Societies: About 1 in 5 Muslim students in Britain (18%) would not report a fellow Muslim planning a terror attack.

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Pew Research (2013): At least 1 in 4 Muslims do not reject violence against civilians (study did not distinguish between those who believe it is partially justified and never justified).

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Pew Research (2013): Only 57% of Muslims worldwide disapprove of al-Qaeda. Only 51% disapprove of the Taliban. 13% support both groups and 1 in 4 refuse to say.

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Palestinian Center for Political Research (2015): 74% of Palestinians support Hamas terror attacks.

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Pew Research (2014): 47% of Bangladeshi Muslims says suicide bombings and violence are justified to "defend Islam". 1 in 4 believed the same in Tanzania and Egypt. 1 in 5 Muslims in the 'moderate' countries of Turkey and Malaysia.

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Is this ok??! Almost half of the muslim youth in France think that suicide bombings are justified and almost half of muslims in Britain want a law that discriminates minorities and abuses/dominates women! There's no running from these facts. You muslims in this thread represent this ideology, so it means you accept everything it represents!
I hope this will put an end to this thread and make those who defended islam in this thread to leave their religion or atleast convert from it. Islam provokes violence and you know it!

 

[-Phoënix Flower-]

Islam says that killing of one human is as bad as killing of the entire humanity.
The people practicing terrorism in the name of Islam have no understanding of the religion whatsoever. If this religion was so bad ,why does it happen to be growing at such a high rate? Countless people converting to Islam is an indication that those who seek knowledge, tend to get their answers. Whereas the vast majority just follows what the world wants them to follow blindfolded. Before coming up with such accusations ,I would suggest you to do some thorough research yourself and make sure you understand what you come across instead of just coming up with your own interpretation.

 

[Hawker]

Islam says that killing of one human is as bad as killing of the entire humanity.
The people practicing terrorism in the name of Islam have no understanding of the religion whatsoever. If this religion was so bad ,why does it happen to be growing at such a high rate? Countless people converting to Islam is an indication that those who seek knowledge, tend to get their answers. Whereas the vast majority just follows what the world wants them to follow blindfolded. Before coming up with such accusations ,I would suggest you to do some thorough research yourself and make sure you understand what you come across instead of just coming up with your own interpretation.

Firstly, check my post right above yours. There's your research.

Secondly, you believe that a divine being wrote a book and you let it control your life. Talking about following something blindfoldedly.

There's no knowledge in islam. Religion was creted to control weak minded masses, such as yourself.

Only knowledge in this life is gained through science. That's why you are able to write and look at these messages right now. Did your book foretell that one or does it just "foretell" that the apocalypse is coming because homosexuals are around (and have been for thousands of years) lmao.

 

[-Phoënix Flower-]

Firstly, check my post right above yours. There's your research.

Secondly, you believe that a divine being wrote a book and you let it control your life. Talking about following something blindfoldedly.

There's no knowledge in islam. Religion was creted to control weak minded masses, such as yourself.

Only knowledge in this life is gained through science. That's why you are able to write and look at these messages right now. Did your book foretell that one or does it just "foretell" that the apocalypse is coming because homosexuals are around (and have been for thousands of years) lmao.

Wow ,you're really butthurt aren't you?
Why don't you just relax and have a glass of cold water ^^
It's immature , childish and completely deluded people like you who make debating completely worthless.
Regardless , let me just tell you that my post wasn't even directed towards you. As for your little research ,there are two sides of the coin. And you totally ignore the other. You won't be able to change my mindset and vice versa, but at least try to contain yourself and limit yourself to the boundaries of respect.

 

[asad70ful]

Then why do all these terrorist say they are doing it in ''ALLAH! ALLAH! ALLAHS!'' name? or in the name of religion? or certainly most of them.

so tomorrow if i come to kill you and scream the name of JHON CENA?? is it JHON CENA's Problem? or JHON CENA asked me kill you??

ISLAM is an arabic word..which literally means peace....dont judge 1.6 billion people on mere handful people..all extremist groups...ISIS.. AL QAEDA.. TTP...Hizbullah...e.tc (all the ****s)
there are no more than 2% of population of all muslims...how can you can say...such small minority represent ISLAM???

All these groups are first supported by west...so when they strike back..to west..west tries to attack them back....creating an endless loop like izanami ... -_- ....Al qaeda...taliban in russia..afghan war....
ISIS against syria gov...and all that....

 

[CrimsonReaper]

I don't respect anyone who follows an ideology which thinks says it's ok to opress women and stone homosexuals. It's not something we want in the west.

doesn't the same thing go for other abrahamic religions? aren't you okay with them?

 

[Hawker]

doesn't the same thing go for other abrahamic religions? aren't you okay with them?

Yes it does. To be clear I'm not generally okay with the consept of religion which is basically to control people and urge them to outsource their thinking to a third party. But if there's no harm in a religion then I'm fine with it as long as it doesn't intervene with people's rights.

If a religion limits your basic human rights then it's wrong. Islam does that. The fundamental difference between islam and christianity is that islam is a law religion and christianity is not. While there are some questionable statements in the bible, the representatives of the main religious groups of chrstianity have resigned themselves from those teachings. Muslims have not done this, but instead they keep interpreting the koran literally.

Muslims say islam is a religion of peace. Do you know what they teach is the penalty for apostasy? Death.

 

[CrimsonReaper]

Yes it does. To be clear I'm not generally okay with the consept of religion which is basically to control people and urge them to outsource their thinking to a third party. But if there's no harm in a religion then I'm fine with it as long as it doesn't intervene with people's rights.

If a religion limits your basic human rights then it's wrong. Islam does that. The fundamental difference between islam and christianity is that islam is a law religion and christianity is not. While there are some questionable statements in the bible, the representatives of the main religious groups of chrstianity have resigned themselves from those teachings. Muslims have not done this, but instead they keep interpreting the koran literally.

Muslims say islam is a religion of peace. Do you know what they teach is the penalty for apostasy? Death.

@bold come on there's as much as in islam, it's just that the west is much more secular than the middle east. there are loads of secular muslims but they're not the majority...at least for now. you have turkey and lebanon for example, they're countries with muslim majorities yet they're becoming more like the west.

[video=youtube;bc37ZhpAPqw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bc37ZhpAPqw[/video]

 

[Bored38]

If you are blaming Islam for the actions of ISIS, then you must blame Christianity for the actions of Nazis and the KKK.

Lmao, first is Hitler wasn't a Christian, he was a Pagan, Second, KKK were Democrats and we all know how the Democrats bash Christians in the US. No where in the New Testament will you read that Jesus advocated violence or the subugation of others against their free will.
The same can not be said about what Muhammad advocated in the Quran.

 

[Naiz Malik]

yeah..they will be at the day of judgement..yeah i know everyone has right to follow what they want..right..Allah dont give right to people to kill those who disbelieved..Allah says..who ever will do that..I will punish him by myself..u dont have the right to punish him in this world..but after world..i will punish him..like its none of your business if someone has changed the religion..its his and my problem..like this..m against this fact too that people kill those who leave Islam..

 

[UchiGOD]

I am Muslim and I am telling you this: THOSE WHO KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE,SPECIALLY KIDS AND WOMEN,IS NOT A MUSLIM AND WILL GO TO HELL! Muslims are not those who killed people in Paris. They are devil! Islam say the exact opposite!

Yes it does. To be clear I'm not generally okay with the consept of religion which is basically to control people and urge them to outsource their thinking to a third party. But if there's no harm in a religion then I'm fine with it as long as it doesn't intervene with people's rights.

If a religion limits your basic human rights then it's wrong. Islam does that. The fundamental difference between islam and christianity is that islam is a law religion and christianity is not. While there are some questionable statements in the bible, the representatives of the main religious groups of chrstianity have resigned themselves from those teachings. Muslims have not done this, but instead they keep interpreting the koran literally.

Muslims say islam is a religion of peace. Do you know what they teach is the penalty for apostasy? Death.

No you got it wrong. Islam is peace itself! What we learn is not death! Quran says that you have no right to attack until you are attacked,and you have no right to kill women and kids. Daesh people are NOT MUSLIM. They got the point wrong. They goal is to destroy Islam's true purpose and show it as a religion of violence. Don't believe them.

Death penalty for apostasy doesn't seem very peaceful to me.

"Those who disbelieve will be forced to drink boiling water, and will face a painful doom. (Quran 6:70" <--- Not peaceful as well.

"Good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah has guarded. As for those from whom you fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. (Quran 4:34)" <--- Same here

Those who rejected God will be forced to drink boiling water, those who don't know God,are different. Besides,it shows that how big is the crime to not believe in God.
Good women are obidient,yes,but when sth is not right or humiliates them,they don't have to obey that. Or better,they should not.
God is very generous. For example,as I said,those who insist on disbelieving God or reject him will be punished. God knows and we don't know. There's no doubt in God's justice,is it?