My Muslim Friends Tell Me Islam Is About Peace and Love. Is this True?

[shelke]

No ideological setup is ever peaceful, whether it's political, religious or even cultural. As soon as you add dogma and bigotry into the mix, it all becomes the same 'us versus them' tried, indoctrinated mess. As long as extremes are avoided, one can maintain a semblance of peace.

 

[Naruske Izuchiah]

They say Christianity is about Peace and Love..... [Too extend our reach to the stars above xd]... :|

This is true. The leader of said Christianity was (and still is, and always will be) Jesus, whom His disciples say He is the Messiah, the anointed one of God. A.k.A Christ: The only begotten son of God. Being the leader, He set the example for all to follow Him. In regards to Peace and Love, Jesus taught us to be at peace with everyone as far as we can help it, and even if the other party didn't or wouldn't reciprocate such notions; to love them, yes, even our enemies, as you love your self. For even evil people have others they love. So what good, in divine eyes, is it to just love those who love you? Love even your enemies. This Jesus-love extends to giving water to your enemy who thrusts, or feed him if he's hungry, or even give him a place to stay if he's homeless. For you don't overcome evil by doing evil back to him, but rather you overcome evil with Good. Revenge, the Bible teaches us, is for God, and Him alone to take.

By now many people think of the Christian Crusades, or the Inquisition, tragedies and brutalities, all in the name of the Christian God. But that approach was never The Way. I'll tell you the truth. The Bible tells of the history of when Jesus Christ was arrested right before His crucifixion. He was in a garden-like place, praying with His disciples near by as they were watching out for Him--they failed, they all fell asleep, twice. Even one of Jesus' disciple, Judas, betrayed Him, giving Him up to Jewish and Roman authorities that night. When the authorities came to arrest Jesus, only Jesus most devoted disciple, Peter, was describe in the Bible as fighting back against them. Peter manage to cut off the ear of one of the guards. And instead of being please by Peter's loyalty and devotion to Jesus, He rebuked Peter, telling him to put his sword back in its place, for all who lives by the sword will die by it (Matt 26:52). THEN, Jesus went up to that guard and completely healed his ear, one of the very same guards who went to arrest Him. Later on Jesus Christ was wrongly accused, crucified by the account that He Himself declared He was the Son of God, therefore His equal (and still 100% human). To the Jews that's blasphemy and punishable by death. Jesus died to save the world, to pay for the price for our imperfections, because of something called sin, so that all who believes in Him will have eternal life to its fullest (it's where you get the John 3:16 from). By the way, all of Jesus' disciples were free to leave unharmed, even Peter. This is just one of example of the ministry of Jesus, and about His Peace and Love, and purpose.

Did the prophet Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him) displayed that kind example of peace and love for his followers to witness to the world? Go find out! See for yourself if Muhammad's teachings of peace and love is greater than Jesus'? Doesn't the Quran states that the prophet Muhammad (PBUH) is the greatest of all of the prophets? (and therefore greater than the prophet Isa a.k.a Jesus [PBUH]) Yet, it is written that the servants are not greater than their masters. And so, the disciples are not greater than their leaders. Keep in mind that history has shown that the servants didn't always displayed the heart and intentions of their masters as they intended to be either. Thus, the savagery and bigotry in the name of God in recorded history...to present day...so if you must, look at the example and the teachings; not always at those who follow them for they may be missing the mark too.


Go in peace brother, with (brotherly) love.

PS--please don't think this is anything personal against you, or your Faith, if you're Muslim. It's most definitely not. I was just compelled to answer the statement that you made (in bold). Go in peace dude.

 

[UchiGOD]

i mean seriously people believe this shit :|

If you believe in God,then there's nothing to be worry about. If you don't, you'll get your answer from God.
And please,respect others opinions.

 

[BLAZE]

If you believe in God,then there's nothing to be worry about. If you don't, you'll get your answer from God.
And please,respect others opinions.

no i had problem with forced to drink boiling water when someone reject his faith

i am not respect that

 

[Dark Sonic]

@bold come on there's as much as in islam, it's just that the west is much more secular than the middle east. there are loads of secular muslims but they're not the majority...at least for now. you have turkey and lebanon for example, they're countries with muslim majorities yet they're becoming more like the west.

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You're absolutely right. Turkey is one hell of a secular country. Especially with British's influence that helped the cause.

 

[Conspirator.]

Those who rejected God will be forced to drink boiling water, those who don't know God,are different. Besides,it shows that how big is the crime to not believe in God.
Good women are obidient,yes,but when sth is not right or humiliates them,they don't have to obey that. Or better,they should not.
God is very generous. For example,as I said,those who insist on disbelieving God or reject him will be punished. God knows and we don't know. There's no doubt in God's justice,is it?

Those who rejected God will be forced to drink boiling water- but god is so generous!! I have never seen such flawless logic during my time here....

Way to shoot yourself in the foot and defeat your own argument. Now people like you may well be peaceful by nature, but it's the mindset of those like you who harbour such feelings of disdain towards "non-believers"(This applies to people from any religion, not just Islam) that leads to or has lead to the plethora of religious conquests,wars, partitions, riots and the like throughout history.

 

[shelke]

Those who rejected God will be forced to drink boiling water- but god is so generous!! I have never seen such flawless logic during my time here....

Way to shoot yourself in the foot and defeat your own argument. Now people like you may well be peaceful by nature, but it's the mindset of those like you who harbour such feelings of disdain towards "non-believers"(This applies to people from any religion, not just Islam) that leads to or has lead to the plethora of religious conquests,wars, partitions, riots and the like throughout history.

That is same for all orthodox religions. God represents great many paradoxes. Most of you clearly have no idea what you are talking about, and I am talking about all the groups on both side of the fense here.

He is completely wrong. But guess what? You are just as wrong. God representing something, and man's disdain are two different things.

Yes it does. To be clear I'm not generally okay with the concept of religion which is basically to control people and urge them to outsource their thinking to a third party. But if there's no harm in a religion then I'm fine with it as long as it doesn't intervene with people's rights.

If a religion limits your basic human rights then it's wrong. Islam does that. The fundamental difference between Islam and Christianity is that islam is a law religion and christianity is not. While there are some questionable statements in the bible, the representatives of the main religious groups of chrstianity have resigned themselves from those teachings. Muslims have not done this, but instead they keep interpreting the koran literally.

Muslims say islam is a religion of peace. Do you know what they teach is the penalty for apostasy? Death.

Which Christinanity is that? So a group resigns itself from the religion, kudos to religion. Group doesn't resign from religion, religion is not cool?

This post doesn't make a lick of sense. Interpreting Quran literally? What does that even mean?

 

[Lelouch Vii Britannia]

alts are rising like roaches :|

give me the f@#king proof that he exist rather than doing violent acts on his name and passing it as his justice despite not even meeting him once

A wise man once said: Seeing is not always believing

How to find god? how to know if he is there or not? i remember asking myself that question a lot. i asked my teacher that question once (he was one of the wisest souls i've ever known) he said. Listen and see .

He said do you see this chair im sitting on? Why is it strong to carry me? why wasnt easily broken?why is wood resistence to fire? Why is it even resistcence to the flames? why does you heart beats every second? Why isnt it disordered like every two hours ? how does your brain command everything your inner body does? What if it doesnt and who made it correct and why is there no mistakes in the human body?

The sky. The ozone blocks the ultra violet light but lets the the good ones in? why didnt it let the others in? Because the ultra violet C is the less in mass but the strongest and most dangerous. It could have been the most powerful and with the highest mass. who prevented these mistakes? Who made the ozone to protect us and why was it made

The animals if all were carnivore creatures what would have happened? Can you imagine? Who made them like to eat plants?

The most stupidest thing i have ever ever heard that the universe and all the galaxes were created just by random If that was true then there should have been error in something. but there isnt

The grass and plants. Who we make meds from. What if there wasnt? What would have happeneed and who installed in the nessary meds and how magically they have all the proteins we need? It isnt random.

Something up there is watching over us and have been for milliond of years. Because in every problem there is a key? How?!

If the universe was by random than believe me . We wont have even existed .

Just ask yourself.

How and why .

 

[Son of God]

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[Lelouch Vii Britannia]

My point is . All this complexity. Humans,the brains,animals,plants,planets,the universe

This complex world is immpossible to be just *random*

 

[BLAZE]

My point is . All this complexity. Humans,the brains,animals,plants,planets,the universe

This complex world is immpossible to be just *random*

so we should start making people drink boiling water becoz they choose not to believe in god :wut:

 

[Lelouch Vii Britannia]

so we should start making people drink boiling water becoz they choose not to believe in god :wut:

Thats only in hell.

People will be judged by their actions and their sins and crimes

There is no telling who will end up in hell .

 

[Donald Trump]

It's true. Don't let the views of ISIS or anyone who thinks negatively of the religion tell you otherwise. It's no different from people perceiving the bible differently from what's truly written, as I said in another thread. The Qur'an has many amazing quotes and passages you can read that really show you how much the religion means to people.

 

[Hawker]

It's true. Don't let the views of ISIS or anyone who thinks negatively of the religion tell you otherwise. It's no different from people perceiving the bible differently from what's truly written, as I said in another thread. The Qur'an has many amazing quotes and passages you can read that really show you how much the religion means to people.

Whether or not quran has postivie passages doesn't in any way mean they outweight negative ones. You adore Muhammed, a man who decapitated people. Muslims are f*cked in the head.

Islam teaches: the punishement for apostasy is death. Such a peaceful religion.

I've only mentioned few of the things in koran and I already know I don't need or want to read it anymore than that.

It's the same thing than if there were a study which has a title saying "this study was made by torturing people, but other than that it's good stuff".

 

[Donald Trump]

Whether or not quran has postivie passages doesn't in any way mean they outweight negative ones. You adore Muhammed, a man who decapitated people. Muslims are f*cked in the head.

Islam teaches: the punishement for apostasy is death. Such a peaceful religion.

I've only mentioned few of the things in koran and I already know I don't need or want to read it anymore than that.

It's like a study which has a title saying "this study was made by torturing people, but other than that it's good stuff"

I think after this I won't bother responding to what you say.

Bolded: You may be agnostic, atheist, or simply someone who has no religious values and doesn't chose to identify anything, which makes you biased in a situation like this, but religion holds a much stronger bond to people than outsiders might think. Just look at the bible, my source for ranting on religion. God removed a rib from Adam to make eve. He killed a majority of the world's population and left all but a pair of every species on earth. Jesus cursed a fig tree because he was hungry and it didn't have any fruit to give him. Does this mean that Christianity is full of evil Jihadists (for a lack of a better term) and every Christian is insane because they follow the teachings of such people? No. Do you want to know why? Because they only focus on the parts that matter to them the most. Islams are seen the same way. Not all Islamics or Muslims are automatically terrorists or violent people because a section of the Qur'an says that they should overthrow nations in the name of Allah.

Italic: That's not exactly something odd to hear in major religions. Belief systems with higher powers and some omnipotent beings usually cast down on people who abandon their faith. This further leads me to believe that you're non-religious to some extent. Questioners and non-religious people usually don't understand the concept of Faith being before all else.

Underlined: Now referencing all the bad things about something is no way to go about debating a topic. It's like walking into a political debate without knowing what a Republican is. Islam holds a lot more teachings than just "Kill people and shout 'ALLAH!' every few seconds," and no one is going to take your word seriously if you're not actually introduced to the topic.

Bolded/Underlined: The Qur'an has no title other than it's name. You could say the same for anything, but until you actually grasp a higher concept than "Islam is full of suicidal jihadists who will cause the next 9/11", please don't say something that'll ruin your reputation. It's not a healthy practice.

Good day <3

 

[Hawker]

I think after this I won't bother responding to what you say.

Bolded: You may be agnostic, atheist, or simply someone who has no religious values and doesn't chose to identify anything, which makes you biased in a situation like this, but religion holds a much stronger bond to people than outsiders might think. Just look at the bible, my source for ranting on religion. God removed a rib from Adam to make eve. He killed a majority of the world's population and left all but a pair of every species on earth. Jesus cursed a fig tree because he was hungry and it didn't have any fruit to give him. Does this mean that Christianity is full of evil Jihadists (for a lack of a better term) and every Christian is insane because they follow the teachings of such people? No. Do you want to know why? Because they only focus on the parts that matter to them the most. Islams are seen the same way. Not all Islamics or Muslims are automatically terrorists or violent people because a section of the Qur'an says that they should overthrow nations in the name of Allah.

Me believing you should base your morals and the understanding of life in thought out, argumented, evidence based facts is biased? You're the one that needs a book to tell you what to do and believe. You're the one blindly following something you have no evidence of even existing. You're the one that let's a book deside what are your rights. It is not up to some stone-age book written by an illiterate warmonger to tell you what rights you should have. You are the one who is biased.

Yes you are right there are alot of questionable statements in the bible. The fundamental difference with islam is that: Christianity is not a law religion. Unlike islam it has progressed alot comparing to medieval times. On top of that most of the christians in west are seculiar people. They don't live by the bible. Christianity is mostly based on Jesus and his teachings. He did not decapitate people. The god of the old testament however is a different thing. The difference once again is that the ideology of the religion is not only based on it's holy book, but to what guidelines the representatives of each religion group outline. Basically christianity has cherry picked it's way to 21st century and the higher ups of Christianity have resigned themselves from most of the sh!t bible spouts out. This is not the case with Islam.

Pew poll analysis: Billion muslims want sharia law:

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Billion muslims want a law that opresses women, discriminates homosexuals, promotes to violence and is a way to control people via totaliarism. You can't even compare your religion to christianity at it's current state. Islam is 500 years behind the progress.
But none of these actually matters since all religions are shit. They are man made tools to control weak minded masses and urge them to outsource their thinking to a third party.

Italic: That's not exactly something odd to hear in major religions. Belief systems with higher powers and some omnipotent beings usually cast down on people who abandon their faith. This further leads me to believe that you're non-religious to some extent. Questioners and non-religious people usually don't understand the concept of Faith being before all else.

That's the whole problem! Faith for believing such nonsense! You're basing your life off of faith. Faith means believing something without evidence. Because if you believe something without evidence then that justifies anything. You're no longer vulnerable for someone coming back at you saying: "hang on a minute let me argue the case". If you believe it without evidence you are saying "I don't argue the case, you're just going to have to accept it". That is the source evil.

You're also saying: "I have an advantage over you, I know what god wants and I know what he says in his book, I have acces to higher authority." Let me ask you this: How do you know that? And by what right do you claim to know the mind of god? Don't you think that's a bit much? (rhetorical question don't answer)

Underlined: Now referencing all the bad things about something is no way to go about debating a topic. It's like walking into a political debate without knowing what a Republican is. Islam holds a lot more teachings than just "Kill people and shout 'ALLAH!' every few seconds," and no one is going to take your word seriously if you're not actually introduced to the topic.

That's not it. You wouldn't take life lessons from Marilyn Manson or Ted Bundy no would you? Or maybe you would, I don't really care. The point is that the way koran contradicts itself is that it has alot of vile, disciminating, opressing and violent teachings in it that they don't outweight the postive passages. They take the basis off the whole thing. Same way Marilyn Manson and Ted Bundy being psychopathic unstable serial killers take the basis off of their capability to offer moral advices.

Who do you think muslims are to decide whether or not they have the right to kill someone just because he doesn't share their belief anymore? That's completely inhuman and against basic human rights. And you say that is ok 'cause religion means so much to people. Don't you mean they are been oppressed with fear to believe what a book says? Yeap.

Bolded/Underlined: The Qur'an has no title other than it's name. You could say the same for anything, but until you actually grasp a higher concept than "Islam is full of suicidal jihadists who will cause the next 9/11", please don't say something that'll ruin your reputation. It's not a healthy practice.
Good day <3

You are putting words in my mouth. Quote me the part where I said anything about jihadist or learn to argument properly. The higher consept of islam being something like this?:

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On top of that you misunderstood my comparison. I'm glad I'm such a nice person I explained it to you above with the serial killer comparison.

Lastly I will leave you with this:



Good day

 

[eyesofthekyuubi44]

I am a Muslim and am more afraid of White men. America refuses our refugees because they don't want us minority folks to exterminate the Native people here In reality, the Natives here were exterminated by white men and yet we celebrate the holiday for it this Thursday. I wouldn't say we are the best but only for the current moment until we stabiloze. Trust me, all religions go through this type of thing, Christians too. It just happens Christianity is peaceful in this time period.

Whether or not quran has postivie passages doesn't in any way mean they outweight negative ones. You adore Muhammed, a man who decapitated people. Muslims are f*cked in the head.

Islam teaches: the punishement for apostasy is death. Such a peaceful religion.

I've only mentioned few of the things in koran and I already know I don't need or want to read it anymore than that.

It's the same thing than if there were a study which has a title saying "this study was made by torturing people, but other than that it's good stuff".

LOL yeah no other religion does that....Deuteronomy
Chapter 13
KJV

1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, 2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; 3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him. 5 And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.

6 If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; 7 Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth; 8 Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: 9 But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. 10 And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage. 11 And all Israel shall hear, and fear, and shall do no more any such wickedness as this is among you.

12 If thou shalt hear say in one of thy cities, which the LORD thy God hath given thee to dwell there, saying, 13 Certain men, the children of Belial, are gone out from among you, and have withdrawn the inhabitants of their city, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which ye have not known; 14 Then shalt thou inquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and, behold, if it be truth, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought among you; 15 Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword. 16 And thou shalt gather all the spoil of it into the midst of the street thereof, and shalt burn with fire the city, and all the spoil thereof every whit, for the LORD thy God: and it shall be an heap for ever; it shall not be built again. 17 And there shall cleave nought of the cursed thing to thine hand: that the LORD may turn from the fierceness of his anger, and show thee mercy, and have compassion upon thee, and multiply thee, as he hath sworn unto thy fathers; 18 When thou shalt hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep all his commandments which I command thee this day, to do that which is right in the eyes of the LORD thy God.

Lol admit it, you are a racist.

 

[Angelic.]

I am a Muslim and am more afraid of White men. America refuses our refugees because they don't want us minority folks to exterminate the Native people here In reality, the Natives here were exterminated by white men and yet we celebrate the holiday for it this Thursday. I wouldn't say we are the best but only for the current moment until we stabiloze. Trust me, all religions go through this type of thing, Christians too. It just happens Christianity is peaceful in this time period.

its ok. the white refugees that came over were christian so they must be good people lol. they even kindly brought smallpox blankets xD

 

[Jazzy Stardust]

No it's not true. Religion is about control.

 

[P3ĮÑ]

I don't know where to start here, but anyways.

They don't live by the bible. Christianity is mostly based on Jesus and his teachings. He did not decapitate people.

the representatives of the main religious groups of chrstianity have resigned themselves from those teachings. Muslims have not done this, but instead they keep interpreting the koran literally

and Christianity is that islam is a law religion and christianity is not.

This is hilarious to me for whatever reason, the bible mentions the word sword several times, 424 to be exact. The quran however never mentions the word "sword" anywhere. In arabic, there are several words for sword, but even so there is not a word in it in the Quran.

You mentioned Muslims interpret the quran literally, whatever you meant by that, the case remains you just did the same. You're taking every passage in a literal sense without even judging the chemistry and historical background behind the verses. the below verse is/can be interpreted in several ways, individually, those who read it first hand without a proper understanding would signify it as violence.

Jesus called upon his followers to sell their coats and buy swords. He explained that he did not come with peace, but rather a sword. He and his companions were engaged in mortal combat with their enemies, the Pharisees when one of the priests slaves had his ear cut by the sword. Jesus then told them to put down their swords. This is mentioned in the Bible.

That's like me, picking up a novel, reading a paragraph from it than conducting a conclusion of the entire book "this book is shit dawg, it bad, guns and shizz" without understanding the entire scenario written there. It's called Argument from anecdotal evidence, in other words its a fallacy.

Not only that, currently, well temporarily, I'm staying in a town dominated by sharia law. The people here are not violent, they don't decapitate people, my neighbor is a christian, he is treated as an equal and with respect, there are many Christians who live here, if there was compulsion they would have been dead already, and women are not oppressed nor are they sexually objectified, try cat calling here or raising your voice to a lady here in public, you'll end up getting jumped by a horde of 6'2 dudes.

Basically, This law was established during muhammads time, if you're living in a non islamic nation, you are under that specific nations protections, in other words if a muslim who lives under the protection or as a national residence in a non muslim country is not allowed to wreak havoc there or cause any damage to the people and follow the nations specifc laws, as it is assigned as a contract, the same is with Islamic countries, if minorities wish to live in the nation with peace they can, breaking this rule by any muslims are marked as munafikeens. Hypocrites.