Muu vs Minato

[blazekev90]

When he can react that'll become borderline plausible. Until then, no. :lol

He'd be able to react, sensing the presence of the toad would assist in that. Also, you have to consider the lapse of making impact.

However, this is a strategy I'd prefer him to utilize airborne, away from Minato and clones.

 

[KidGamer65]

I don't think you're understanding. "He has no time to move." He'd already be on the move decapitating clones, he's flying by cutting them down.

To argue whether he'd be able to evade the radius of a toad be summoned, while already having in motion is ridiculous.
-Minato would have to acknowledge the clone killed.
-perform hand seals to summon toad.
-time lapse before road makes impact.

We've witness the speed of Muu/Onooki while in flight.

No, you are the one who clearly doesn't understand. Whether or not he's in motion is irrelevant because Minato teleporting and using Food Cart Destroyer is far faster than Mu flying. "oh but he's moving" isn't an argument equivalent to "oh but he's moving fast enough"

And the process you described above is 100% inaccurate.

-Clone is killed.

-Minato teleports to that location and drops a toad on him in the same breath just like he did against Kurama. Summoning is instant and the distance Minato will be from Mu's location isn't large enough for there to be a time gap from the toad being summoned to the toad being called. The only time gap is the gap in time it takes him to perform the summoning jutsu, which doesn't take time at all as it's just blood+the clap of the hand.

Mu isn't fast enough to evade a Bijuu wide summoning being teleported on top of his general location. Not a chance. If the feats exist I'd love to see them but considering I know all of Mu and Onoki and Deidara's (he' equal to Onoki) feats I can tell you now that they don't exist.

He'd be able to react, sensing the presence of the toad would assist in that. Also, you have to consider the lapse of making impact.

However, this is a strategy I'd prefer him to utilize airborne, away from Minato and clones.

No, he doesn't react to any Hiraishin related attack ever. People with better feats have fared much worse against Minato and Hiraishin. Sensing isn't a reason to give Mu any leniency when the reaction feats are not there. Like I said in the post, there is no time lapse for impact.

Also how is he going to do this away from Minato and his clones when he needs to get close to kill them in the first place?

 

[Pretentious]

No, but Mu isn't a threat to Minato either so that line of argumentation doesn't matter. Mu's only long range attack is an attack he needs to reveal himself to perform, and he has to be still to perform so that's just asking for Minato to kill him.

Everything I've posted in this thread up until now is what stops Mu from landing any stealth attacks on Minato.

Your presumptions are superficialis.

Subsequent to Mū's perceptive concealment, aerial augmentative would be initiated, extending the distance between the opposition.

Once optimal unperceptive distance has been acquired, Genbu-sized Jinton process is initiated. Projectiles of any category (i.e. ninjutsu & ninja tools) are atomized via de Jinton's passive byproduct, irregardless of immediate channeled conjuration to finalization.

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Mū's victory is feasible under said circumstance. However, through irrational tactics such as self-division, Minato triumphs ten v none.​

 

[Apêx1]

This guy is trying way too hard^
Not to mention the wrong use of complex words in many of his posts making him seem more idiotic than he is a master of the thesaurus. Inb4 argumentum ad hominem

 

[Pretentious]

This guy is trying way too hard^
Not to mention the wrong use of complex words in many of his posts making him seem more idiotic than he is a master of the thesaurus. Inb4 argumentum ad hominem

Enlighten me.​

 

[KidGamer65]

Your presumptions are superficialis.

Subsequent to Mū's perceptive concealment, aerial augmentative would be initiated, extending the distance between the opposition.

Once optimal unperceptive distance has been acquired, Genbu-sized Jinton process is initiated. Projectiles of any category (i.e. ninjutsu & ninja tools) are atomized via de Jinton's passive byproduct, irregardless of immediate channeled conjuration to finalization.

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Mū's victory is feasible under said circumstance. However, through irrational tactics such as self-division, Minato triumphs ten v none.​

"Genbu sized Jinton" is fanfiction. Onoki w/ Tsunade's help can't even make a Jinton large enough to envelop the entire island and please don't post a scan of what Kitsuchi stated as a Jinton doesn't need to be as large as the entire island to destroy all of it as Onoki's Jinton Laser can expand and be moved around.

Also S/T Barrier handles any kind of Jinton.

And can you put the thesaurus away please? :lol

 

[Zexion~]

When he can react that'll become borderline plausible. Until then, no. :lol

The summon has to fall on him before it brings him to the ground lol....he doesn't even have to do anything.

Not to mention the user has to be above the target.

 

[KidGamer65]

The summon has to fall on him before it brings him to the ground lol....he doesn't even have to do anything.

Not to mention the user has to be above the target.

-Minato teleports to that location and drops a toad on him in the same breath just like he did against Kurama. Summoning is instant and the distance Minato will be from Mu's location isn't large enough for there to be a time gap from the toad being summoned to the toad being called. The only time gap is the gap in time it takes him to perform the summoning jutsu, which doesn't take time at all as it's just blood+the clap of the hand.

Mu isn't fast enough to evade a Bijuu wide summoning being teleported on top of his general location. Not a chance. If the feats exist I'd love to see them but considering I know all of Mu and Onoki and Deidara's (he' equal to Onoki) feats I can tell you now that they don't exist.

And yes, he has to touch it. How can he touch it with his hands when he's not even fast enough to react in the first place? :lol

 

[Zexion~]

And yes, he has to touch it. How can he touch it with his hands when he's not even fast enough to react in the first place? :lol

His sensing should help here, unless Minato is going to be RIGHT on top of him he'll have some time before it crushes him for him to just lift his hands bro, Kurama was hit so suddenly because he himself is that large.

 

[KidGamer65]

His sensing should help here, unless Minato is going to be RIGHT on top of him he'll have some time before it crushes him for him to just lift his hands bro, Kurama was hit so suddenly because he himself is that large.

No, his sensing doesn't help unless there are some speed feats that proves he can react to Hiraishin, which he can't.

Even arguing he can lighten it is ridiculous in the first place. If Tsunade, Shinsuusenju, Sakura or a Bijuu attacked Mu would he be able to touch it and lighten them? No, because when he makes contact he gets killed/hit/crushed and the same thing happens here.

 

[Apêx1]

Enlighten me.​

" Projectiles of any category (i.e. ninjutsu & ninja tools) are atomized via de Jinton's passive byproduct, irregardless of immediate channeled conjuration to finalization. "

What does de even mean?

1. Tools are atomised via de Jinton's passive byproduct?
2. Since when are 'de' and 'irregardless' acceptable words to use?

Edit:

Irrelevant & self-sabotage.

Mū simply initiates elevation to a greater distance than Minato's perspective through Mujin Meisai + flight. Once the correct position is reached Mū ceases the quarrel with a Genbu Jinton.

Division would only hinder Mū.
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Wrong usage of 'quarrel'. This is not a quarrel.

Edit 2:

"Mū, if I'm unmistaken had been inherently more robust than his pupil with Jinton -- Displayed in their clash mid-war."

Not sure if I agree with your use of robust.

"Said proposal: Mū supersedes Ōnoki's prior tour de force, implying a Jinton >Genbu can be assimilated, especially with said stipulations -- 50 meters."

Wrong use of assimilated.

 

[Zexion~]

No, his sensing doesn't help unless there are some speed feats that proves he can react to Hiraishin, which he can't.

Even arguing he can lighten it is ridiculous in the first place. If Tsunade, Shinsuusenju, Sakura or a Bijuu attacked Mu would he be able to touch it and lighten them? No, because when he makes contact he gets killed/hit/crushed and the same thing happens here.

That isn't what happens here though, he doesn't get killed until the toad slams him into the ground, the moment he lightens the toad its going to float in the air, or do negligible damage to him when it impacts the ground.

 

[blazekev90]

No, you are the one who clearly doesn't understand. Whether or not he's in motion is irrelevant because Minato teleporting and using Food Cart Destroyer is far faster than Mu flying. "oh but he's moving" isn't an argument equivalent to "oh but he's moving fast enough"

And the process you described above is 100% inaccurate.

-Clone is killed.

-Minato teleports to that location and drops a toad on him in the same breath just like he did against Kurama. Summoning is instant and the distance Minato will be from Mu's location isn't large enough for there to be a time gap from the toad being summoned to the toad being called. The only time gap is the gap in time it takes him to perform the summoning jutsu, which doesn't take time at all as it's just blood+the clap of the hand.

Mu isn't fast enough to evade a Bijuu wide summoning being teleported on top of his general location. Not a chance. If the feats exist I'd love to see them but considering I know all of Mu and Onoki and Deidara's (he' equal to Onoki) feats I can tell you now that they don't exist.



No, he doesn't react to any Hiraishin related attack ever. People with better feats have fared much worse against Minato and Hiraishin. Sensing isn't a reason to give Mu any leniency when the reaction feats are not there. Like I said in the post, there is no time lapse for impact.

Also how is he going to do this away from Minato and his clones when he needs to get close to kill them in the first place?

100% inaccurate...yet you mention of the steps I listed @ bold lol

regardless of what you say, Minato would still have to acknowledge the death of a clone. Whether it's just mental reaction, he'd have to acknowledge it and prepare his counterattack.

There's still a time lapse before impact, so I don't why you're trying to ignore that. There's a reason why this technique has only been used against large targets. Lol

By the time the clone is initially killed, Muu would already be a few feet away from that location. Factoring the requirements to perform FCD, he'd evade that attack.

(Sidenote: haven't we've seen a large animal fall into someone before, and they simply crawled from underneath it?)

That's a different scenario. Muu being airborne, away from Minato and using FCD to bring him down as opposed to the scenario you're arguing. It doesn't apply to what we're discussing.

 

[KidGamer65]

That isn't what happens here though, he doesn't get killed until the toad slams him into the ground, the moment he lightens the toad its going to float in the air, or do negligible damage to him when it impacts the ground.

The air? Lmao. Are you even following this argument? I've addressed this three times now. Minato is on the ground thus Mu will be on the ground. The distance between Mu and Minato and the ground is too short for the toad to fall from the air and then hit him. When it's summoned it'll be summoned on top of him. :lol

But this is all irrelevant when it comes to your argument since you can't even show that Mu can react in the first place.

100% inaccurate...yet you mention of the steps I listed @ bold lol

regardless of what you say, Minato would still have to acknowledge the death of a clone. Whether it's just mental reaction, he'd have to acknowledge it and prepare his counterattack.

There's still a time lapse before impact, so I don't why you're trying to ignore that. There's a reason why this technique has only been used against large targets. Lol

By the time the clone is initially killed, Muu would already be a few feet away from that location. Factoring the requirements to perform FCD, he'd evade that attack.

(Sidenote: haven't we've seen a large animal fall into someone before, and they simply crawled from underneath it?)

That's a different scenario. Muu being airborne, away from Minato and using FCD to bring him down as opposed to the scenario you're arguing. It doesn't apply to what we're discussing.

Yes, he needs to acknowledge the death of the clone. Can Mu fly a distance beyond the width of a Bijuu before Minato teleports? No, he can't. Can he fly the width of a Bijuu before someone much faster than him slams their head against the ground? No. He can't.

And there is no time lapse before impact. Just read what I typed to Zexion over and over and over again before you respond because it answers this "time lapse" argument nor is it that complicated to understand, but for some reason you keep ignoring what is being stated.

And no, I don't remember the bold.

And underlined is also an impossible scenario.

 

[Pretentious]

"Genbu sized Jinton" is fanfiction. Onoki w/ Tsunade's help can't even make a Jinton large enough to envelop the entire island and please don't post a scan of what Kitsuchi stated as a Jinton doesn't need to be as large as the entire island to destroy all of it as Onoki's Jinton Laser can expand and be moved around.

Also S/T Barrier handles any kind of Jinton.

And can you put the thesaurus away please? :lol

Argumentum ad Ignorantiam.

Users have only been depicted through clear perception (i.e. exit perception) to thoroughly destroy structuring via de "Jinton Laser."

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The opposition however, lacks prior requirement. Base Jinton merely requires the entire structure visible, as such was (i.e. Genbu) during Ōnoki's confrontation with Deidara & Kabuto. Complimented by the multiple other occasions Ōnoki's performed the basic structure Jinton.

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" Projectiles of any category (i.e. ninjutsu & ninja tools) are atomized via de Jinton's passive byproduct, irregardless of immediate channeled conjuration to finalization. "

What does de even mean?

1. Tools are atomised via de Jinton's passive byproduct?
2. Since when are 'de' and 'irregardless' acceptable words to use?

Edit:

Wrong usage of 'quarrel'. This is not a quarrel.

Edit 2:

"Mū, if I'm unmistaken had been inherently more robust than his pupil with Jinton -- Displayed in their clash mid-war."

Not sure if I agree with your use of robust.

"Said proposal: Mū supersedes Ōnoki's prior tour de force, implying a Jinton >Genbu can be assimilated, especially with said stipulations -- 50 meters."

Wrong use of assimilated.

Your naive direction on the word quarrel baffles me. Ever heard of a physical argument? I'd assume so, attempting to descredit my knowledge with your own sub-par understanding is stultos hilares.

My usage of robust is correct, your being unsure of the fact further rectifies your inept skill in English.

Assimilated; to make similar/the same. Recognize every set definition before you criticize me you scurra.

kun:

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[KidGamer65]

Argumentum ad Ignorantiam.

Users have only been depicted through clear perception (i.e. exit perception) to thoroughly destroy structuring via de "Jinton Laser."

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The opposition however, lacks prior requirement. Base Jinton merely requires the entire structure visible, as such was (i.e. Genbu) during Ōnoki's confrontation with Deidara & Kabuto. Complimented by the multiple other occasions Ōnoki's performed the basic structure Jinton.

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No, whatever the cube can contain is what is destroyed. His cube or laser aren't large enough to contain or destroy it in one shot.

 

[Apêx1]

Your naive direction on the word quarrel baffles me. Ever heard of a physical argument? I'd assume so, attempting to descredit my knowledge with your own sub-par understanding is stultos hilares.

Are you retarded? A fight in which both parties intend to kill one another is in no way a 'quarrel'. Jesus. This is the equivalent of saying VOTE Naruto vs Sasuke was a 'scuffle'.

My usage of robust is correct, your being unsure of the fact further rectifies your inept skill in English.

It could be grammatically correct but it is still a terrible word to choose in that context (for someone whose lexis is infinite as yours is). Also, your usage of the word 'rectifies' is definitely incorrect. This is hilarious. To rectify is to right a wrong in the sense of amelioration you absolute dimwit.

Assimilated; to make similar/the same. Recognize every set definition before you criticize me you scurra.

Makes absolutely no sense buddy. Re-read the sentence you wrote, this definition of assimilated does not fit in at all. You are misconstruing this definition. Assimilation in the form you proposed is 'to liken' in the sense of "philosophers had assimilated thought to perception" and not whatever shit you've pulled out of your ass. Nice try tho. Complex words used correctly should make you more coherent and concise, but in your case they do the exact opposite.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Why are clones his weakness? And how would they contribute when they pose little to no threat?

It nullifies a sneak Jinton. And with ftg on Minato's side he can hit Muu with a rasengan before he has time to escape.

 

[Lord Tywin]

*****s here should teach post grad English. **** you doing debating Japanese drawings

 

[Apêx1]

*****s here should teach post grad English. **** you doing debating Japanese drawings

Ain't nothin wrong with putting people in place for trying to seem more knowledgeable than they actually are.