Kishi doesn't create the anime.
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Read the DB entry especially the bottom. "Body weight ⇧ enemy instantly becomes heavier with the technique of Earth Element: Heavy Rock Jutsu (Doton: Kajūgan no Jutsu). The user can make use of a type desert region to easily bury the enemy alive by
immersing it in the sand. " "Title:
When one hand touches a person, each of them is captured by a powerful weight !!" "Enemy becomes weighted"(Doesn't state surroundings joining in as well but refers to the enemy strictly)
If what you were saying was true, then it would be made known but this is basically you adding to the technique as the TITLE itself makes the jutsu clear, "handing touching the person" and not contact or whatsoever you're saying hence it being a necessary condition and this is the DB 4 which breaks the technique itself as they have been shown previously before the analysis came in...What we're getting is the mechanics of the jutsu and your assumption doesn't fall into play here as the author clearly states the hand aspect. 2. It makes it clear that Mu was being immersed in the sand hence that being the use of the environment and not him using the Jutsu on the sand or so by just touching Mu. Makes 0 sense and Onoki here
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having to fly all the ways here to touch Mu
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when he could have just touched the ground or whatever reason you came up with? Smh.
1. The title only states that when one hand touches a person the jutsu takes effect, and that's true. Doesn't rule out the fact that it's not the only way to weigh down a person, which can be done through indirect contact as manga shows.
2. "The user can make use of a type desert region to easily bury the enemy alive by immersing it in the sand." How does that prove that the surrounding sand
wasn't weighed down? The sentence literally just states that Onoki can bury the enemy using the jutsu in a desert. Doesn't have any implications beyond that, and certainly doesn't change the fact that normal sand doesn't act like this when a heavy object is placed on top of it:
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If only Muu was weighted down, he would have sunk through the sand, not make it look elastic. You can see that the surrounding grains of sand were affected even though they aren't touching Muu.
3. I already explained to KG why Onoki touched Muu. A couple reasons:
-It's more effective.
-He knows where to direct his jutsu.
Just because Onoki can weight down objects through indirect contact with the ground doesn't mean he can just touch the ground and anybody anywhere gets weighted. If his target's position is constantly changing (refer to how Muu was
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), then he can't know exactly where to direct his jutsu. So he used it directly on Muu.
Another reason he used it directly on Muu is because the jutsu's effect weakens the further away the target is from the point of contact. Why do you think he decided to use weighted-boulder on Muu, knowing full well Muu could just counter its effects by lightening himself? Probably because he made Muu so heavy that he would have no way of canceling its effect even with LB. If he had just used it on the ground, its effect on Muu wouldn't have been so great.
"I also made the sand around here lighter" isn't actual proof that he did at that same exact time. Not even proof that by touching Gaara's gourd on his back with Gaara himself standing on the sand somehow relating to him making the sand on the ground light. What? There's something known as off panel...Just like we never saw when Gaara's gourd being weighted back which would obviously require the Added weight technique by Onoki himself..Something we never saw unless you want to discredit that Jutsu's time limit as Gaara's shortly did this with his sand even though the area was lightened
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but main thing was it was never shown that Gaara had his gourd weighted back. Either way there's no way in this world that Added weight can be used that way.
Which is all irrelevant because even if Onoki did use LB directly on the desert floor, he only touched a few individual grains of sand yet the grains of sand below Madara's feet also got lightened despite Onoki not having been in direct contact with them.
Lol @him not wanting to lose the Raikage being a reason for riding him. Even when he pulled out Golem, he still was on the Kage. Raikage wasn't required to strike or even attack at this point
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Do you even know how Ay/Onoki's backpack combo works? Ay's punches are all useless when he's lightened, so Onoki has to weigh down Ay's fist at the last second as he strikes. If Onoki wasn't on Ay's back, he wouldn't know where Ay was (so he wouldn't know where to direct his jutsu) nor would he know when to use WB because he doesn't know when Ay is going to strike. That should be obvious.
Let's stick to the Manga because suggesting Mu can do such is comical when there where chances. Onoki suddenly decides to use weighted technique via the ground against 5 Susano'o clones which is clearly false. Onoki had already weighted the Susano'o clones off panel. How he did that? Unknown but sure as hell not taking your assumption as a fact...Not to mention Onoki could have weighted Madara by just touching the ground since he's in contact with it and that would have prevented movements as he said here
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leading him to be sealed with ease making things easier for them
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(Oh wait, he's still holding Ay because obviously that's how the technique works hence him not going through that process to weight Madara).
Also, if touching the ground could lead to others being weighted or lightened, why did they strategize to bring Madara out of his Susano'o when they could have just lightened it making it less durable and easy to smash through when Naruto attempted FRS? Why? Or why did Gaara have to use his own Sand to immobilize Susano'o here instead
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. Onoki had to up Ay's power to crush Madara's Susano'o
instead of just touching the ground making it way less durable which makes things easier for him and Ay to attack even while the opponent was in the Mist blinded and not being able to defend himself.
You're all over the place here. I
am sticking to the manga because there are multiple manga panels of LB/WB working against targets who Onoki does not directly touch. You can choose to disregard my assumption if you like, but it doesn't take away from the fact that:
-Onoki lightened all the objects on turtle island despite only touching the actual turtle.
-Onoki lightened the sand beneath Madara's feet despite not touching the actual grains of sand beneath Madara.
-The desert sand around Muu was weighted down despite Onoki only touching Muu.
None of these you've been able to counter, because they are manga facts. What do I draw from these manga facts? The
logical conclusion that Onoki weighted down the Susanoo clones he was fighting by using WB on the ground. But hey, if you don't like that explanation it doesn't matter because Onoki's on-panel feats still work in my favor.
Weighing down Madara would have accomplished nothing as they still wouldn't be able to stop Susanoo, plus I already explained that the more distance there is between the target and the point of contact, the less effective the jutsu is. I hope the underlined is a joke btw. Making objects lighter doesn't make them less durable, the only thing that would have accomplished is Madara's Susanoo would be lighter and faster, and therefore even harder to fight against.
OP: Itachi wins this fight regardless.
As long as he has the Sharingan, Mu's B rank water styled technique gets copied by the Sharingan as long as it's not a KKG given the fact that Itachi has shown proficiency with the nature already. Nothing stopping him from copying it at all except without good reason. Not to mention before Mu goes invisible, Itachi can already foresee his next movements/position
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so Mu going invisible won't change that. Amaterasu follows up and considering the fact that Itachi can mix exploding clones and crow clones( the latter would even force Mu to drop his weapon probably making it visible
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) and I have zero reasons to believe and exploding clone won't explode if hit or even touched so Mu is setting himself up for suicide
@Bold, LOL you're still arguing this point after all this time? The sharingan lets the user see movements with increased perception allowing the user to imitate movements. That's why sharingan can copy ninjutsu, because the user can replicate an opponent's hand seals. That's like saying Sasuke can copy Ay's raiton armour just because he has sharingan and a raiton chakra nature. When has a sharingan user ever copied a non handseal-based ninjutsu? It's impossible.
@Underline, are you resorting to the "Amaterasu right off the bat GG" strategy? Because I'm not going to even address this considering the starting distance is 40 meters and the fact that Muu can go invisible within a few seconds.
The clones are irrelevant since Muu doesn't have to physically go up to the clone and stab it, as long as he knows each clone's position he can just use WB on the ground to immobilize each clone, one at a time if necessary, then clean up with Jinton. BTW if Itachi ever uses Susanoo above a ribcage, that's a dead giveaway to which one is the real Itachi.
