Muu vs. 2nd Hokage

[Naruto N. Uzumaki]

Not at all. Read what I said earlier. Muu has many advantages compared to Tobirama. I think you are over estimating him

when a flash back of the 2nd hokage comes we talk

 

[meowmeow]

did u see the way tobirama detect all those ninja with just his 2 fingers? tobirama>>>>>>>>muu and day

Ya too bad Muu chakra becomes undetectable when he goes invisible so muu>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tobirama EASY

 

[blazekev90]

Not at all. Read what I said earlier. Muu has many advantages compared to Tobirama. I think you are over estimating him

i did, but i still give a small edge to the 2nd Hokage. Muu can go invisible, yes we i know, but he also has to reappear to use an offensive attack, which usually is dust release. But as we've seen it doesnt happen instantly, which allows 2nd Hokage to use s/t and/or counter Muu.

 

[Yo pappy]

Since he can't sense Mu this all depends on how Tobiramas space time jutsu works, and since I don't know I can't really bank on it. I go with Mu.

 

[meowmeow]

i did, but i still give a small edge to the 2nd Hokage. Muu can go invisible, yes we i know, but he also has to reappear to use an offensive attack, which usually is dust release. But as we've seen it doesnt happen instantly, which allows 2nd Hokage to use s/t and/or counter Muu.

I dont think they said he had to rematerialize to use his techniques. He just rematerialized because of the chakra sensing sand. Plus you are assuming the s/t jutsus that Tobirama used were for movement like flying thunder god. For all we know he used things like space time barriers because Minato developed the technique used for movement.

 

[Kakashi Fang]

Interesting matchup, I can't choose a victor.

Large scale water jutsu may cause problems for Mu.

Not enough is known about the 2nds space time jutsu either to add that into the scenario.

 

[MorphyRulez]

IDK, hard decision being that we have limited information on both ninja. I choose Muu FTW or "Draw." Why?

I would say that Muu is similar to Oonoki. Muu has a Kekkei Tōta - a combination of three different nature transformations being, Katon, Doton, and Wind. The three nature transformation gives him a advantage in battle. The Second Hokage has Suiton skills, which is weak against Katon, and Space/Time Ninjutsu, and with the Second Hokage Suiton Techniques ruled out, he would have more of a chance with Space/Time Ninjutsu, but it would be useless fighting a opponent who constantly moves throughout battle. Also, with Muu's Sensor Abilities, defensive/supplementary techniques, such as Body Splitting Method, could very well outmatch the Second Hokage Taijutsu and other Jutsu.

Of course, many would place the Second Hokage's Edo Tensei Jutsu into play. We don't really know how well he was at controlling or utilizing the Jutsu, but if he was to create Edo Tensei on a weaker scale from what Orochimaru and Kabuto usage was/is, than he could have a chance with the Jutsu. If so, then the Second Hokage wins with little to none difficulty.

I am thinking that too. How usefull his edo tensei. If it's weaker than Oro i think it would be useless but equal or better Tobirama gets advantage. Also Muu has very very annoying jutsus -.- Anyway we dont know them very much. Everything would be happen but i will say MUU.

 

[blackbird31468]

so creating the jutsu that brigns the dead back to life is an easy jutsu to created?:flaw: and the fist ever s/t easy? :flaw:

well considering they weren't perfected (as far edo tensei goes because i'm not entirely sure about whether or not he perfected his s/t ninjutsu) i would say that they weren't very useful in battle and is no where near kabuto or orochimarau's level. and whether it's easy to create a jutsu or not doesn't matter in a vs battle. all that matters are the levels his jutsus are on, and if they're not perfected, then they're useless.

 

[meowmeow]

well considering they weren't perfected (as far edo tensei goes because i'm not entirely sure about whether or not he perfected his s/t ninjutsu) i would say that they weren't very useful in battle and is no where near kabuto or orochimarau's level. and whether it's easy to create a jutsu or not doesn't matter in a vs battle. all that matters are the levels his jutsus are on, and if they're not perfected, then they're useless.

Ya I completely agree. Especially against someone who has complete mastery over his jutsu.

 

[Rariatto]

I go with Muu. He can be invisible and kill him by his swords or by Jinton if he make cube behind him..

 

[blazekev90]

I dont think they said he had to rematerialize to use his techniques. He just rematerialized because of the chakra sensing sand. Plus you are assuming the s/t jutsus that Tobirama used were for movement like flying thunder god. For all we know he used things like space time barriers because Minato developed the technique used for movement.

it wasnt said, but shown everytime he used it

i dont know how he used S/T, but since Minato compared the 2nd and his own to that of Tobi's I assume that Minato's>=2nd's S/T. Regardless, dust release isnt instant.

 

[blackbird31468]

I go with Muu. He can be invisible and kill him by his swords or by Jinton if he make cube behind him..

does muu become visible after using jinton?

 

[Yo pappy]

Interesting matchup, I can't choose a victor.

Large scale water jutsu may cause problems for Mu.

Not enough is known about the 2nds space time jutsu either to add that into the scenario.

I've always had this theory that his s/t jutsu works in unison with his Suiton. Similar to how Suigetsu can merge with any body of water nearby, I don't think it's too far fetched to say that Tobirama can teleport to wherever he created water. So taking into consideration that Tobirama can create water out of thin air, and do so without having to form any seals he would be extremely hard to deal with for just about anybody. But then again that's just my guess.

 

[meowmeow]

it wasnt said, but shown everytime he used it

i dont know how he used S/T, but since Minato compared the 2nd and his own to that of Tobi's I assume that Minato's>=2nd's S/T. Regardless, dust release isnt instant.

He only went invisible at the beginning when he was walking toward the shinobi alliance. It was never shown with him in battle and then stopping using it just so he could use dust release. And he said that Tobi has space time techniques that were greater than the seconds and his own. He didnt compare his own s/t jutsus to the 2nd, he compared tobis to both of theirs. And as i said earlier, it doesnt matter how slow Muus dust release technique is, if the 2nd didnt use his s/t jutsus for movement then it wouldnt matter

 

[blazekev90]

I've always had this theory that his s/t jutsu works in unison with his Suiton. Similar to how Suigetsu can merge with any body of water nearby, I don't think it's too far fetched to say that Tobirama can teleport to wherever he created water. So taking into consideration that Tobirama can create water out of thin air, and do so without having to form any seals he would be extremely hard to deal with for just about anybody. But then again that's just my guess.

this was exactly my thought, said someone mentioned the need of yin yang or something like that, I'm not sure. But this was my and always have been my intial thought

 

[udosohhope]

d 2nd uses s class lightning nd water nt just water, his space tym, nd lightning is strong against rock nd hw can muu try attacking witout 2nd detecting

 

[blazekev90]

He only went invisible at the beginning when he was walking toward the shinobi alliance. It was never shown with him in battle and then stopping using it just so he could use dust release. And he said that Tobi has space time techniques that were greater than the seconds and his own. He didnt compare his own s/t jutsus to the 2nd, he compared tobis to both of theirs. And as i said earlier, it doesnt matter how slow Muus dust release technique is, if the 2nd didnt use his s/t jutsus for movement then it wouldnt matter

exactly, thats another reason why one could assume that he couldnt be invisible and use dust release at the somethime because that's something that would have been shown, especially while facing multiple oppoenents. Being invisable would have to have its pro's and con's, and as its be lead to believe, its being unable to use a technique while at the same time being invisble. At least IMO

I mentioned that, because the fact that he even mentioned the 2nd's S/T somewhat in the same caliber of his own, in that situation in itself showed that the 2nd's S/T was quite epic as well

but he would use, so it does matter

????

(btw class 2-3, brb)

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

there are no feats for tobirama , asides creating PROTOTYPE edo tensei and having being known as the best water style user , that was a name , so it may not be true... mu

 

[blazekev90]

there are no feats for tobirama , asides creating PROTOTYPE edo tensei and having being known as the best water style user , that was a name , so it may not be true... mu

U forgot S/T

 

[shinobi no kami]

ok, I wanted to make another vs. thread real fast and these two seemed like an interesting par off!!!

Both have great feats, and were great Kages of their time

Muu
Or
2nd Hokage

(btw i know we've seen little from the 2nd, but :shrug

I think the 2nd Hokage may have this one!!

I would say there isn't enough info on them to be able to call it objectively; that being said, I would go with Tobi just because of hype.

Kishi made it a point to insinuate that the Hokages were if anything slightly superior to their respective counter parts. Meaning the 1st Hokage was the strongest kage of his time, the same could be said with the 3rd and 4th. However, Kishi has been unusually vague on the 2nd Kage generation atleast on who was boss. So for now I will fall back on the Senju hype to answer any ambiguities. Really, Tsunade might be the first inferior Kage; out of the 5th generation of Kages, which thus far only includes Garaa and Mei, I think she has the least offensive might (next week, she'll bust out with some killer techs and makes me eat my words). If Hiruzen had his wish, Jiraiya would've been the 5th and that would've been a different story and helped prove my point.