Have you forgotten EMS Madara soloed those two, EMS Madara..
we have no idea how powerful muu was and onoki was a little kid. are you suggesting onokis exactly as strong at 13 as he is at 78?
He didnt die vs. Fodders he die in a time of war..
who killed him then?
are you serious? Hashirama < Mū?
are you saying hashirama can see where muu is and avoid getting stabbed to death? plus muu can sense people from several Km away. only sm users are that good at sensing
Hmmm, EMS Madara easily defeated Muu and Oonoki by toying with them.
ems madara didnt fight muu when he was tsuchikage. its unknown how strong muu was at the time
he had to use the nine tails to stand on even ground with hashi.
wrong. he wanted to use kyuubi to destroy his old clan and the senjus combined
If Muu or Oonoki were more powerful, why did he toy and beat them?
BECAUSE THEY WERE WEAKER BACK THEN AS WAS HE
Pain was hyped before his powers were really shown, and look what happened.
he proved everything they said was true? only reason he lost was not trying to kil naruto
When madara saw muu, he didnt even acknowledge him.
last time he saw muu, he was weaker. plus muu was at half power.
dont see Madara saying, "Oonoki, you are the only one who can stop me."
onoki isnt the only one who can stop madara because his best attack is useless vs preta path. but hey, thats just using logic. not like your doing that.
because if they were truly the most powerful kage, then Madara would have said so
no he wouldnt because he went into hiding before both of their primes
If troll kage found a way, I'm sure a brilliant strategist such as Itachi or Minato can find away around it, if he was so impossible to find, why was he roflstomped by madara, and why couldn't he defeat troll kage without dying himself?
how do you know he was roflstomped? manga proof please. and how do you know trollkage isnt a good sensor like gaara? even onoki, muus counter, was gonna die without gaara's aid. and intelligence doesnt mean magically growing the power necessary to fight muu
So you think Mokuton is the only thing that Hashi use to beat Madara's Meteorite
meteors are rinnegan techs
did you not see where Muu AND Oonoki were both laying on the ground, BEATEN
no. show me where muu was lying beaten. you cant
even so, troll kage stalemating means that the invisibility/flight/dust release combo ain't all it's cracked up to be
or he had the perfect array of abilities to counter said jutsus.
EMS Madara trounced Muu and Tsuchikage like nothing
and where is your proof muu and onoki were exactly as strong as we know them?
This obviously means that Harishima´s Wood Release at full power had the power to destroy mountains and re-write an entire map
so wood can break up mountains? why didnt wood break apart sound 4s barrier?
Madara before Harishima urinates himself.
madara who was probably regular MS, or maybe not even facing hashi at all during the time of that panel. i mena hashi is all smiles. i cant recall why hashi would smile cockily at his rival.
Harishima is so strong that he is considered a fairy tale due to how unbelievable his power was
pain was considered a god. kimimaro was considered unbeatable. hiruzen was considered to be > third raikage and prime onoki. kabuto said hes invincible.
Power alone is not enough if the other ninja has versatility. Did you see Tsuchikage take down Kabuto?
hashiramas versatility is just "wood wood more wood"
Hashirama Senju will hold his title as the best shinobi of all time until Kishi decide to show all of his power.
thats not his title. not even remotely close. no one has given him that title, ESPECIALLY kishi. sage of six paths is the strongest ninja ever and everyone knows it. hes more likely to give itachi that title than hashirama whos irrelevant to the manga
earn to accept that Hashi toys and beat Muu and Oonoki just like Madara did.
why accept lies?
he still knows that only Hashirama can stop him
no he thinks that because he hasnt tapped into his full rinnegan power. if he did hashirama cannot stop him. as for your "our word vs the manga" the manga states kabutos invincible, kimimaros unbeatable and deidara killed sasuke. huh...
muu >>>>>madara
hashirama and mito < madara and kyuubi. but hashirama had the unique power to supress kyuubi and mito could uniquely seal it into herself
so how could the whole shinobi world respect him as the strongest shinobi of all time
no one does. name one person who called him that. thats right no one.
even both Madara and Tobi claimed Hashirama was the one person whom they most admired and detested,
so admiration = proof of power?
the former even stated to the five Kage that they were in fact fortunate that Hashirama was not alive, as the potential for damage to the surrounding area would have been greatly increased
if onoki didnt have his dust release absorbed he would cause more damage than hashi ever could. hes a potential island buster
Even Kabuto, one of the top 10 or even top 5 shinobi of all time claimed that Hashirama's might was so vast, there aren't any shinobi in the current era that could match his level of power
no he didnt. he said theres no one equal to him anymore. meaning there are people ABOVE him. like kabuto himself. i doubt kabutos so idiotic that he thinks hashirama can fight both edo madara and Sm kabuto at once and still win.
also kabuto hadnt seen tobis full power nor naruto's.
Madara soloed Onoki and Muu, easily
how do you know he fought muu at all?
while Hashirama defeat the Kyuubi+EMS Madara
no he didnt. he supressed kyuubi. mito defeated him.
How does Muu or Onoki even compare to hashirama???
beating someone stronger like madara doesnt mean muu will lose. we dont know how strong muu was before he was tsuchikage and fought the mizukage. muus prime was at the time of tobirama, not hashirama
Hashirama would solo them without much effort.
how will he do that miracle?
The second Mizukage tied him
which was probably a fluke and due to some final suicide attack last resort or poison
Hashirama beat Madara and Kyubii.
for the last time no he didnt.
Madara easily beat Oonoki and muu without even going full out or taking battle damage.
how do you know muu was at his prime or that he fought at all? maybe he was like telling onoki to stop but letting him fight so onoki would learn a lesson or something
Hiruzen was said to be the strongest of his time including When Oonoki was around.
so whoever said that was a bastion of knowledge and had full intel on third raikage and onoki and tobi (who was 4th mizukage?
Nobody else was said to be the strongest. Kishi's word stands tall.
wrong. it was only character opinions not kishis word. he doesnt believe everything his characters say otherwise sasuke should be dead
Btw, hype is everything for the character that we barely know of...so if someone say So6P>Mu so you'll em him Hype Boys?! coz we know barely know anything of So6p ability so Mu is definitely stronger than him base on your logic
