Muu, Garra and Deidara vs the 1st Hokage!

[HNIC]

Intent to kill

Restrictions: gates, those used against the Juubi.

Location: Garra vs Kage

Deidara starts on bird, Muu starts invisible and Garra (Garra as the Jinki) is afloat. Hashi starts in base.

Really take into consideration what these three Kage level shinobi have shown and how benefical it would be against the power of Hashi's kkg. Muu has Onoki's dust release feats of course.

 

[KidGamer65]

Hashirama still takes a dump on their heads. Mokujin & Mokuryu combo is too much for them to handle. Once Mu dies its pretty much GG Kage.

-Mu needs to become visible to use Jinton, and it has a charge time, once Hashirama can easily interrupt after sensing Mu's chakra (He is a sensor in Base)

-Gaara and Deidara have absolutely nothing to hurt him offensively as he tanked a Bijuu Dama using his Hobi. Mokujin and Mokuryu would literally slap Deidara and Gaara down to the ground if they are close enough.

 

[HNIC]

Hashirama still takes a dump on their heads. Mokujin & Mokuryu combo is too much for them to handle. Once Mu dies its pretty much GG Kage.

I disagree, i actually think they would be too much for Hashirama in this situation. These arent big easy targets for him to smash and they have the power to counter his jutsu.

When has he shown sensing feats? muu weighs anything he touches, this doesnt take time.

Those huge feats Garra can easily bypass, Deidara as well. They have the ability to get close to Hashimara himself

 

[KidGamer65]

I disagree, i actually think they would be too much for Hashirama in this situation. These arent big easy targets for him to smash and they have the power to counter his jutsu.

-They don't need to be big easy targets for him to catch them, this has been shown many many many many times in the manga during other fights.

-lol, no, they don't. Mokujin survived a slash from Perfect Susanoo and was able to clash with it equally until Obito destroyed it with those 4 Bijuu Dama. Mokuryu was physically strong enough to restrain the Kyuubi. Not to mention both these constructs are bigger than the 100% Kyuubi. Deidara's explosives aren't phasing it and sand definitely isn't doing jack.

-Hashirama also tanked Bijuu Dama with Hobi, nothing in any of their arsenals is going to even scratch him.

You didn't even bother to restrict Shinsuusenju.

 

[Crossroads]

Hashirama would lose is Mokuton clones were restricted.

Given the current circumstances, they're not enough to take down the First.

 

[Optimistic]

Hahsirama wins in Base mid diff

Hashirama in Sage Mode stomps with his eyes closed.

 

[HNIC]

Hashirama would lose is Mokuton clones were restricted.

Given the current circumstances, they're not enough to take down the First.

Onoki took down Madara's wood clones in one shot.

 

[HNIC]

-They don't need to be big easy targets for him to catch them, this has been shown many many many many times in the manga during other fights.

-lol, no, they don't. Mokujin survived a slash from Perfect Susanoo and was able to clash with it equally until Obito destroyed it with those 4 Bijuu Dama. Mokuryu was physically strong enough to restrain the Kyuubi. Not to mention both these constructs are bigger than the 100% Kyuubi. Deidara's explosives aren't phasing it and sand definitely isn't doing jack.

-Hashirama also tanked Bijuu Dama with Hobi, nothing in any of their arsenals is going to even scratch him.

You didn't even bother to restrict Shinsuusenju.

Large scale use of wood release would not be very benefical. Lol when have to seen otherwise??? It's how Deidara used small birds to bypass Garra's large sand. However, Sand is more agile and can move more swiftly.

 

[Nattana]

Hashirama still takes a dump on their heads. Mokujin & Mokuryu combo is too much for them to handle. Once Mu dies its pretty much GG Kage.

-Mu needs to become visible to use Jinton, and it has a charge time, once Hashirama can easily interrupt after sensing Mu's chakra (He is a sensor in Base)

While I believe that Hashirama wins, he is not sensing Muu. Muu, after becoming invisible, completely erases his chakra and cannot be sensed.

 

[Optimistic]

Sage Mode helps H-Rama to sense air born ninja's, Naruto in his Sage mode was able to pinpoint Obito in order to make his move on target.

flying around won't do a thing when H-rama goes SM.

 

[KidGamer65]

Large scale use of wood release would not be very benefical. Lol when have to seen otherwise??? It's how Deidara used small birds to bypass Garra's large sand. However, Sand is more agile and can move more swiftly.

Not seeing why it wouldn't be beneficial.

Then they'll pretty much be evading him forever, cause they definitely can't hurt him. The moment he gets an opportunity, he smashes them. Its easy for Mu since he needs to be still and visible to prep Jinton. Deidara and Gaara couldn't hurt him even if they dreamed about it.

 

[KidGamer65]

While I believe that Hashirama wins, he is not sensing Muu. Muu, after becoming invisible, completely erases his chakra and cannot be sensed.

-Mu needs to become visible to use Jinton, and it has a charge time, once Hashirama can easily interrupt after sensing Mu's chakra (He is a sensor in Base)

 

[HNIC]

Sage Mode helps H-Rama to sense air born ninja's, Naruto in his Sage mode was able to pinpoint Obito in order to make his move on target.

flying around won't do a thing when H-rama goes SM.

I have never seen this as his feat. Naruto was not even able to sense Muu once he split.

 

[Optimistic]

I have never seen this as his feat. Naruto was not even able to sense Muu once he split.

Sage Mode gives the user the ability to sense.

Naruto wasn't in Sage Mode when Muu went invisible even so when Muu becomes visible H-Rama will sense him.

 

[KidGamer65]

Sage Mode helps H-Rama to sense air born ninja's, Naruto in his Sage mode was able to pinpoint Obito in order to make his move on target.

flying around won't do a thing when H-rama goes SM.

This as well.

 

[HNIC]

-Mu needs to become visible to use Jinton, and it has a charge time, once Hashirama can easily interrupt after sensing Mu's chakra (He is a sensor in Base)

What instant attack would he use? Muu could simply weigh any release, as Onoki did the two meteors

 

[Transcendence]

Base version of Senju Hashirama would win this fight with medium difficulty. Sage mode utterly demolishes.

 

[KidGamer65]

What instant attack would he use? Muu could simply weigh any release, as Onoki did the two meteors

Scans of Mu doing so? Also, instant? Naruto, in free fall, was able to interrupt Mu's Jinton. He doesn't need an instant attack.

 

[HNIC]

Sage Mode gives the user the ability to sense.

Naruto wasn't in Sage Mode when Muu went invisible even so when Muu becomes visible H-Rama will sense him.

Yet Jiriya was not able to sense Pein's approach. This needs to be proven imo

 

[HNIC]

Scans of Mu doing so? Also, instant? Naruto, in free fall, was able to interrupt Mu's Jinton. He doesn't need an instant attack.

I gave Muu onoki's feats and made Garra the Jinki. This was all in OP