Mu and Onoki vs 3rd Raikage and Bee

[Gold Lightning]

Stupid kishi didn't give 3rd Raikage black lightning feats. I wonder if his BL is the same as Darui's.

 

[DMT]

what do you mean 'out of TBB's range'? TBB is a spreading beam, the further he flies the harder it is to dodge. Plus since when has jinton shown greater range than Bee's TBB?


that never happens when bee uses things like whirlwind, bijuuwave or rapidfire bijuudama to hit muu before he goes visible. Plus how does jinton one-shot bee?

muu is sensor he can sense Hachibi when he charges tbb
Then he can dodge it with easy



You didn't answer my question, how can Bee realize that muu is behind him ?

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[Beans2]

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That doesn't involve anything with my post, nor disproves that octopus sense from their arms.​

If you look at Figure A you will see the Hachibi

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And in figure B we see an actual octopus

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now if you look closely you will see that the hachibi is not an octopus since the hachibi has characteristics that an octopus does not have (for example horns and fists)

the hachibi has also displayed feats which a real octopus is not capable of (for example, breathing above water). there has never been a reported case of an octopus remaining above water for more than 3 minutes before fainting

therefore the hachibi is not an octopus, debunking ur theory of gyuki using sense of smell to detect mu

 

[Bronze]

If you look at Figure A you will see the Hachibi

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And in figure B we see an actual octopus

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now if you look closely you will see that the hachibi is not an octopus since the hachibi has characteristics that an octopus does not have (for example horns and fists)

the hachibi has also displayed feats which a real octopus is not capable of (for example, breathing above water). there has never been a reported case of an octopus remaining above water for more than 3 minutes before fainting

therefore the hachibi is not an octopus, debunking ur theory of gyuki using sense of smell to detect mu

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Hachibi is octopus and bull. That is why it has horns. That was Bee inside the water bubble, unless you want to explain to me how Bee survived long enough inside Hachibi's tail after fighting Taka under water.​

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Killer bee solo's. How does the Tsuchikage's survive a TBB Barrage?

By the time bee fully transforms and attempts tbb barriage he will be dust via jinton blasts -_-

 

[Beans2]

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Hachibi is octopus and bull. That is why it has horns. That was Bee inside the water bubble, unless you want to explain to me how Bee survived long enough inside Hachibi's tail after fighting Taka under water.​

hachibi obviously has octopus-like traits, bull-like traits, and humanoid-like traits but that doesn't mean it has all the abilities an octopus in our universe has

not to mention it's unlikely an octopus's sense of smell works above water

 

[Bronze]

hachibi obviously has octopus-like traits, bull-like traits, and humanoid-like traits but that doesn't mean it has all the abilities an octopus in our universe has

not to mention it's unlikely an octopus's sense of smell works above water

It's a FACT that octopus can sense through it's arms, as the link I posted says so. Unless the manga contradicts the fact, it applies.​

 

[Beans2]

It's a FACT that octopus can sense through it's arms, as the link I posted says so. Unless the manga contradicts the fact, it applies.​

it's a fact that the hachibi is not just an octopus. since only octopi can smell that well then mu remains undetected.

 

[lanakui8]

muu is sensor he can sense Hachibi when he charges tbb
Then he can dodge it with easy

being a sensor doesn't mean anything when he's fighting long range against an attack with such scale and range. Anyone who has eyes, ears or even general temari-level chakra perception will know when bee is about to fire a TBB, but it doesn't mean they can dodge it or its explosion, especially when bee fires it like a huge conical wave of energy.

You didn't answer my question, how can Bee realize that muu is behind him ?

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He doesn't, not until muu becomes tangible and starts charging his jinton which is why bee needs to use huge AoE attacks in order to hit muu such as TBB, bijuuwave and omnidirectional whirlwind.

 

[DMT]

being a sensor doesn't mean anything when he's fighting long range against an attack with such scale and range. Anyone who has eyes, ears or even general temari-level chakra perception will know when bee is about to fire a TBB, but it doesn't mean they can dodge it or its explosion, especially when bee fires it like a huge conical wave of energy.



He doesn't, not until muu becomes tangible and starts charging his jinton which is why bee needs to use huge AoE attacks in order to hit muu such as TBB, bijuuwave and omnidirectional whirlwind.

bee always starts in base form

Muu's Sensory abilities enabled him to outrun Gaara's sand with easy, how can bee catch muu ?

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Bee's only chance is starts the battle with V2 because full form would make him a big target





Bee had zero knowledge on muu, he doesn't know what muu capable to do
he wouldn't realize that muu is behind him until he get one-shoted

 

[lanakui8]

bee always starts in base form

and oonoki and muu always start visible and on the ground. knowledge is manga, if bee knows how powerful jinton is and he knows the only way to flush people like muu out is with his high AoE techs, then he uses bijuu mode. He's up against two of the strongest non-hokages after all.

Muu's Sensory abilities enabled him to outrun Gaara's sand with easy, how can bee catch muu ?

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gaara's sand caught the other three due to the element of surprise. Muu is a sensor so he knew the hands were coming therefore it didn't have the element of surprise on him. Bee's bijuudamas don't use the element of surprise, bee blatantly charges it up and fires it in plain view, so sensing the unseen isn't going to help muu here. At best he'll know when bee is about to fire, and attempt to aim-dodge, but that's not going to do much since the technique has such a gigantic AoE.

Bee's only chance is starts the battle with V2 because full form would make him a big target

...but it doesn't matter if he's a big target if he kills muu and oonoki before they can inflict enough damage on him.

Bee had zero knowledge on muu, he doesn't know what muu capable to do
he wouldn't realize that muu is behind him until he get one-shoted

How do you know bee had zero knowledge on muu? If he sees muu go invisible, and knows Muu is a major threat due to being a kage, what do you think bee's course of action will be?

 

[super yang]

I think this match is too close to call. jinton & flight is stalemated By supershunshins & black lightning

 

[ARGUS]

Third Raikage & Killer Bee win

 

[Unorthodox]

the cloud duo wins

 

[Beans2]

Third Raikage & Killer Bee win

Could you explain how?

 

[ARGUS]

Could you explain how?

--none of muus invisiblity attacks are cutting it against the third raikage or the hachibi therefore they tank them with ease,

--this only leaves the option of jinton, however to do that muu has to become visible, and seeing how bee fired off TBB barrages seconds after it was knocked back from the juubi means that he fires them before jinton is prepped as the bombs then proceed to eradicate the duo to dust, they are not evadiin the TBBs explosion either which is still sufficient enough to take them out,

--Bee can also use Bijuu Waves which expand over the distance making it harder for them to evade, and will also kill them

--Closing the distance to use the weighted boulder or to attack is just making it worse when it can leave onoki wide open to be attacked by the raikage, and hachibi landing its physical blows would result in the tsuchikages being pulverised as well,

 

[Beans2]

--none of muus invisiblity attacks are cutting it against the third raikage or the hachibi therefore they tank them with ease,

agreed

--this only leaves the option of jinton, however to do that muu has to become visible, and seeing how bee fired off TBB barrages seconds after it was knocked back from the juubi means that he fires them before jinton is prepped as the bombs then proceed to eradicate the duo to dust, they are not evadiin the TBBs explosion either which is still sufficient enough to take them out,

Mu can jinton snipe him, however. Bee doesn't have sensory abilities which allow him to detect Mu quickly enough. Mu can turn invisible, and fly directly above or behind Bee while Onoki distracts him, then kill him with a jinton from a blind spot before Bee can detect him, and much more quickly than Bee can detect him and also fire a TBB at him. In the event that a bijuudama and a jinton are fired off simultaneously and come head to head, the jinton would turn the bijuudama to dust and the Tsuchikages would remain unharmed. TBB doesn't have a significantly shorter start-up time than jinton either, both are techniques that require a few seconds' prep.

--Bee can also use Bijuu Waves which expand over the distance making it harder for them to evade, and will also kill them

Bijuu waves still are a directional attack, something Mu can avoid by turning invisible and flying upward or sideways to avoid it (avoiding it should be made even easier due to his sensing.) Onoki can lower the earth under him to escape the blasts

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and can also lower or raise the earth above Bee

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. Onoki can also perhaps dodge it with his flightspeed, something we know is at least as fast as Deidara's clay bird's flight speed, and he can reach the stratosphere within seconds/minutes.

--Closing the distance to use the weighted boulder or to attack is just making it worse when it can leave onoki wide open to be attacked by the raikage, and hachibi landing its physical blows would result in the tsuchikages being pulverised as well,

Onoki can make Doton bunshins to fly around Bee and surround him, but stay out of range far enough so they don't get slapped by a tentacle. This way if Bee targets one clone with a bijuudama, another can fly up to him, place its hands on the Hachibi's body (a very large target), and use Added-weight rock technique to make Bee too heavy to move. After he is immobilized, Onoki or Mu can easily vaporize him with jinton. If Bee goes into a whirlwind to prevent Onoki or his clones from making contact with him, he becomes an easy target for jinton.

 

[ARGUS]

agreed

Mu can jinton snipe him, however. Bee doesn't have sensory abilities which allow him to detect Mu quickly enough.

Jinton takes a long time to charge up, much longer than the time taken to fire off a TBB, or a Bijuu Wave
and Muu is not jinton sniping anyone, when Third Raikage would also be present to locate him much easily the moment hes visible
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is a clear indication that muu is not blind atttacking anyone here, especially when hes visible

Mu can turn invisible, and fly directly above or behind Bee while Onoki distracts him, then kill him with a jinton from a blind spot before Bee can detect him, and much more quickly than Bee can detect him and also fire a TBB at him.

--Blind attacks are not happening to the raikage when hes faster then both of them, nor are they happening to bee when he has canonically reacted to a much faster attack,

--Jinton snipe is also not happening when they would be able to notice the charge up and prepare for it through a Bijuu Wave (BW), Whirlwind (WW) or a TBB

--Onoki is not distracting the hachibi in anyway whatsoever, his jintons are slower than the

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, not only will the TBB outnumber the jinton and overpower them, but the sheer magnitude of the explosion will eradicate the tsuchikages,

--Onoki is also getting blown away by a Bijuuwave (BW),

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as well, and matching it with a jinton isnt helping when bee can fire off more TBB and the shockwave of the BW will blow away the jinton as well therefore killing him

In the event that a bijuudama and a jinton are fired off simultaneously and come head to head, the jinton would turn the bijuudama to dust and the Tsuchikages would remain unharmed. TBB doesn't have a significantly shorter start-up time than jinton either, both are techniques that require a few seconds' prep.

One TBB sure, but not continous TBB, especially when the collision between one TBB would result in the explosion,
and the other TBB will bombard the jinton and go diirectly towards the tsuchikages the moment the explosion is finished,

Bijuu waves still are a directional attack, something Mu can avoid by turning invisible and flying upward or sideways to avoid it (avoiding it should be made even easier due to his sensing.)

Ok, however

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is still something that muu cant do very easily
and if bee fires off TBB barrages then their mountain dwarving explosions are still not being evaded by someone of muus speed,
regardless of his sensing abilities, he does not have the speed to cover kilometers within seconds,

Onoki can lower the earth under him to escape the blasts

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and can also lower or raise the earth above Bee

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Ok, but that is if he can do so before the TBB lands on him,

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is a clear indication that their speed is immense
moreover if onoki does manage to lower the earth wiith mobile core, then bee can still fire off a TBB within close proximity to onokis whereabouts, which will certainly kill him

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Onoki is not redirecting the TBB, he may be able to change their trajectory and thats if and only if hes granted kitsuchis doton feats, but he is not rediirecting them right back at bee

Onoki can also perhaps dodge it with his flightspeed, something we know is at least as fast as Deidara's clay bird's flight speed, and he can reach the stratosphere within seconds/minutes.

Thats debatable,
like you have seen, the TBB has enough speed to cover the entire sea within seconds,
and also has enough speed to cover the entire konoha in a mere second

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deidara on the other hand was pressured by hebi sasukes flight speed which isnt something nearly as fast as his shunshin, which is inferior to third raikages speed as well,
and there is also the notion that while the TBB may be evaded by the duo, they are stilll not evading the explosion itself

Onoki can make Doton bunshins to fly around Bee and surround him but stay out of range far enough so they don't get slapped by a tentacle.

Whirlwind alone would get rid of the doton clones they are non factor here

This way if Bee targets one clone with a bijuudama, another can fly up to him, place its hands on the Hachibi's body (a very large target), and use Added-weight rock technique to make Bee too heavy to move. After he is immobilized, Onoki or Mu can easily vaporize him with jinton. If Bee goes into a whirlwind to prevent Onoki or his clones from making contact with him, he becomes an easy target for jinton.

If Onoki attempts to get close to the hachibi then he gets wrecked by the raiakges nukite, which would certainly be landing seeing how the raikage is still faster then him,
or the hachibi would smack it around with its physical attacks

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, both of the entities that are far more durable then onoki or muu

and like i said above, the doton clones just get poofed by a whirlwind, using this doesnt make him become an easy target for jinton either,

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which can still be done even if onoki gets lucky enough to immobilise the hachibi,

 

[HiddenSound]

Mū and Ohnoki med dif at most. Hachibi would be a very easy target for Jinton.

 

[Haizaki]

B doesn't stand a chance of soloing.

OT: Team 1 takes this