I am making a counter argument to what you have just said Izuna. I refuse to lose in this fashion due to the simple reason of "not having enough time" that is a complete load.
I'm sorry, but you were the one who first mentioned it:
"Now this is where it gets a tad bit tricky. I looked on Narutowikia and this entire thing now comes down to not only time-frame but also handseals as well. "
Meaning that not having enough time is a valid reason to lose in this situation.
A.) Sharigan does not increase ones reaction time as well as the fact that we were at a long distance from one another in the first place and him and his clones being completely unaware of my location. I.E. He cannot see underground especially at long range and the two of us being on two completely separate Plateau's so that brings up
You are right about that fact; he cannot see you underground with the water, the earth and the lightning in his way. However, he was not looking underground, he was looking for you when you'd emerge from the ground. He said it himself:
"So, it must be underground projection fish as the ground looks untouched but you're missing so we play cautious and assume that. The clone on my left watches the ground while the clone on my right watches around the area.The clone on my left uses"
If you look back at his post, the real him was going to cast a Swamp of the Underworld in front of him, so he was bound to be looking in the direction you'd come out.
In my opinion, this is commonly used in our RP and is acceptable. We've seen it countless times in fight; one ninja going underground, the other looking for him and reacting when he sees him emerge from the ground.
B.) There would be more than enough time for me to do so seeing as he would need to infuse his chakra into the ground, it go down threw his plateau and up into my own plateau at a long range. THUS not making his move happen "instantly" which in the end would give me I would hazard to guess would take at the minimum of 5-8 seconds therefore giving me more than enough time to easily jump out of the ground and fire off 2 different blasts. Which I will bring in the argument used against me earlier in this match
I don't support your theory of having to wait for the earth to be using with chakra until he can make the jutsu, and that it takes more time because it's further away from you.
Take a look at this technique:
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It took him close to no time to infuse a massive amount of chakra into the earth and make it raise as two slabs. If that's possible, then the devouring earth is a piece of cake.
However, we agree on the fact that it wouldn't happen instantly, but nothing does in our RP (or almost). Same goes for your technique. If you both complete your hand seals at the same time, he will have the advantage because his attack doesn't need to travel toward, it happens at the desired location. In this situation, if you both were to perform your technique at the same time, the Earth jutsu would kill you as you're streaming out the fire jutsu.
Hence Forth with that youtube video you have shown would make that statement null and void thus meaning every move made since that statement null and void. It would not take much time at all to perform the Intense Pain and Pressure Damage seeing as 1 had 3 hand seals and the other only had 1.
I was not referring to the video to show you how much time they take individually, but how their combinations makes a devastatlingly powerful technique that takes time to end. It's not like you finish the hand seals and 1 sec later everything's over, there's a window of time where you need to actually shoot out the fire and it's not simply a common fireball, you need to shoot a constant stream of fire. Look at all these fire techniques and you'll see the similarities, their user constantly shoot out fire as the fire is progressing, even the fire ball technique, and even your fire jutsu:
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(In the last one, the fire is at 4:22).
henceforth, there's no doubt in my mind that while you were shooting out the fire, the earth would have the time to attack you.
C.) That Earth Technique even stated by ~Yard~ is a considerably Large technique so it wouldn't happen "instantly" it would take a considerable amount of time to fully form and be used especially due to the distance between one another. I would show you a Youtube link to it but I couldn't find it, and wasn't willing to sit threw countless videos to see if it is used in it considering it was used by Hiruko.
Take a look at this technique again:
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It's not instantaneous, but it's still fast. Again, I don't think that the time of activation of this jutsu is an issue. Granted, it won't be instantaneous, but it's still fast enough to get you out of position as you're shooting the fire.
But anywhore I would still have enough time to launch my attack and counter the earth technique. This entire match has been fast passed and I request that the entire thing go under review if the argument of me having to fire two different techniques is used. When I could have made the same argument when he had one of his clones use the same technique to counter my technique that was already launched and coming at him before his was
I am sorry but I refuse to lose to technicality issues especially in a tournament! Because that isn't taking skill to win!
As you may know now (since I've talked to you before posting this), many of your precedent move were contested by ~Yard~, so I had to keep a close eye on this fight. I've been checking both your moves since the beginning. Of course, I was also checking Yard's move, and even though some of his interpretations were questionable, they wouldn't result in him losing the match if it was to be overturned.
You can ask for another mod to check the whole fight, but know that I did. As for this move (the one we're arguing about), I think I've given a clear explanation on my reasons to declare Yard the winner.
My opinion was asked.
I do agree with Zanji's fact that Yard wouldn't be able to track his current location due his own technique(False Darkness Spear.) is blocking his vision as he decided to divide it up into hundred spears of lightning, as he stated. Thus he wouldn't be knowing of Zanji's location and still belive hes underground.
Firstly when the spears is getting overwhelmed by the fire technique Yard would be knowing of Zanji's location and there from can begin on his earth technique, and that would leave Zanji more than enough time to enough time to counter Yard's devouring earth technique.
Also if I recall correct the Wind/Fire jutsu have never been used with the use of hand signs in our RP, atleast not when I have seen it being used. Though I would like to take that up with Zenryoku before getting hanged up on that.
He shot 50 at the water and 50 at the plateau. I doubt that this would cause any problem with his sight if this technique:
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Was divided into 100 smaller bolts of lightning, and 50 of those were spread over a plateau. If there's still any problem with this issue contact another mod because I really think that the idea that 50 lightning senbon spread over a large area (senbon because they are really small) could cause a Uchiha with a 3 tomoe sharingan to lose sight on his target.
I think I've answered the rest of your post with what I wrote above.
I never said I did see you underground. I don't need to since I see you as you start to rise from your plateau. Remember, I said that I and my clones are cautious and are looking at the ground, checking the area ect so were very alert to noticing you. Even looking between the spears as they could still see between them. Since seriously, me and 2 clones with 3T. I'm pretty sure I could see i between them as there are spaces in between them and they are constantly moving through the air. Not too mention the spear isn't that big at all, so if it splits into 100, of course they would be smaller as it's simple division, they would be 100X smaller actually. So if about half of them are hitting the water. That leaves 25 for the front of the plateau and 25 for the top that are spread out, and with catious clones including my self carefully checking the area for you with 3T active to track any movement and to see the spears move in a more slower motion to have more time in between spaces to see which wouldn't be needed really. That just adds to that I could still see you. Not too mention that for it to hit the water, front of the plateau and the top, that means it's shot at an angle meaning even less spears at the top. Also, they hadn't reached you yet and they were small spears, 100X smaller than a normal false darkness spear, so of course I could see you. Almost like shooting 25 really long arrows at you, even 50, I'd still be able to see you because they're that small and spread out. Now, if I didn't see you from that (which it's obvious I would be able to at least know you came out of the ground) you still went into the air which means, I can see you perfectly. You go into the air. I notice you. You do handseals to defend from the spears as a clone would be doing the handseals for the earth tech. You would finish your seals first due to you needing one less handseal and perform your technique. Tho, a handseal can be done in under a second and as the jutsu says it makes the jaws instantly and slams shut. However, your technique is much, much more larger scale than mine and so it would take longer for you to perform it, blowing out all the wind/fire. But you see, my earth tech can be created instantly, is B rank so it's naturally faster than your S rank wind/fire blast. You still wouldn't have time to finish performing that technique and then use nagashi before that earth devours you.
Just like how you need to gather the chakra of two different elemnts, infuse both jutsus and use them together? I even had a head start for the earth tech tho you say it's not fast enough?
I disagree with what's in bold. I've explained it above. The size of the technique is not always relevant to the time it takes to take effect.
Also, if you're looking for technicalities
You said that you would know that I would do the lightning technique and even knew how I would use it. But, you were underground and had no way of knowing and your clones died before that happened so they can't give you an idea for it either. So you would have had no way of knowing I would use a lightning jutsu nor would you have any reason to think I think you're underground. More or less that you knew which tech it was and how I would use it and was specific about it. Yet you were underground and had no way of knowing that I even think you're underground. Therefor you would have never came out of the ground and would end up in my swamp. You're not psychic, you would have had no way of knowing I would even attack you, but you said that I would send a lightning attack through the ground and even said that I would make it hit the water between our plateau's. You had no way of knowing that I thought you were underground at all. So, your reason for going above ground wasn't at all proper. If you could predict such moves then you would have never went underground in the first place. Your clones were even destroyed before you went underground. Basically, that only leads me to believe that you couldn't think of a way out of that move so you made a reason to get out of it that wasn't proper.
This comment was useless and shouldn't be considered in the whole debate. You PMed me with your concern on this move, I explained it to you, you agreed and move on.
You can't possibly come back on both our decision and try and use it against him now. I still believe that his move was valid and if you want any proof I can forward you our convo.
I will now get another RP mod to check my review and this battle.
