[VS] MS Sasuke versus Pein

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Pain takes this. Naruto only won due to how Senjutsu works..and since Sasuke doesn't have it, he can't beat Pain imo.

KCM Naruto probably wouldn't be able to beat Pain, but SM Naruto can. With Kage Bunshin prep time, ofcourse.
 

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How is he going to force Deva in to ST, and get Amaterasu in while he has 5 pains that can immediately jump him from the Amaterasu recharge rate?

Jman's 3 frogs were solo'd by the Cerebrus, Aoba is not taking on that let alone 2-3 other summons.

Pain's chakra goes in to the animal summonings, that's why they have Rinnegan eyes and black rods. Sasuke's genjutsu is not controlling them.

You're underestimating Preta, he's a key Pain among the 6th, you need to separate him to take on the other 5.
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If Sauce gets Amaterasu off, he kills all but Deva and Preta. Those two easily jump him while he recharges from using the MS.

If Sauce gets Susano'o off, then he'll have to take out Deva so he can effectively kill every other Pain. But then Animal path can spam its summonings and overwhelm him.

If Sauce gets Susano'o off, and he goes for Animal path, then Deva still takes him out with BT and the fight ends.
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Everything in Sasuke's arsenal is countered. If Sasuke was to stand a chance, he would have to retreat in the middle of the fight. That's not happening, they're fighting at Samurai bridge.
How? It's not like they are speed demons. Ashura is the only mildly decent one and he isn't overwhelming someone like Sasuke. He can safely use Susano'o and accomplish this.

Which three frogs? He only summoned one large toad Gamaken to stall the dogs. What about other summons? That crab that was killed with Lion's mane? The Chameleon cannot hide before a snake as it can taste air, nor is it hiding from Sharingan. Animal Path can be killed easily. It has zero feats. Nothing is stopping Sasuke from going straight for Animal Path.

Pein is susceptible to Genjutsu. Therefore it means that Chakra can be disturbed, and genjutsu can be cast. So what? That doesn't mean they are immune to genjutsu. Kabuto absorbs NE constantly, yet he had to close his lids to prevent himself from falling to Sharingan Genjutsu. That is not how Genjutsu is broken anyway.

What are their feats for Jumping anyone? Petra and Deva has zero decent speed feats. They are not jumping Sasuke. Petra is killed easily via CQC and Deva's 5 second rule can be exploited.
 

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Pein takes this.

Sasuke doesn't have enough firepower to deal with multiple opponents/summons & counter deva path simultaneously.

Even with info, animal path alone is enough to give sasuke some trouble due to his eyesight since, he can only deal with them by using either amaterasu or susanoo.

& If susanoo can tank st it doesn't change anything really, sasuke will still get knocked around with susanoo activated or not, sure he escapes the deadly physical damage but the longer he keeps susanoo up the worse this fight plays out for him.
 

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Pain takes this. Naruto only won due to how Senjutsu works..and since Sasuke doesn't have it, he can't beat Pain imo.

KCM Naruto probably wouldn't be able to beat Pain, but SM Naruto can. With Kage Bunshin prep time, ofcourse.
it was stated in the manga pain is stronger than ms sasuke
 

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How? It's not like they are speed demons. Ashura is the only mildly decent one and he isn't overwhelming someone like Sasuke. He can safely use Susano'o and accomplish this.

Which three frogs? He only summoned one large toad Gamaken to stall the dogs. What about other summons? That crab that was killed with Lion's mane? The Chameleon cannot hide before a snake as it can taste air, nor is it hiding from Sharingan. Animal Path can be killed easily. It has zero feats. Nothing is stopping Sasuke from going straight for Animal Path.

Pein is susceptible to Genjutsu. Therefore it means that Chakra can be disturbed, and genjutsu can be cast. So what? That doesn't mean they are immune to genjutsu. Kabuto absorbs NE constantly, yet he had to close his lids to prevent himself from falling to Sharingan Genjutsu. That is not how Genjutsu is broken anyway.

What are their feats for Jumping anyone? Petra and Deva has zero decent speed feats. They are not jumping Sasuke. Petra is killed easily via CQC and Deva's 5 second rule can be exploited.
The three frogs when Naruto fought Pain, they all lost to the Cerebrus. If Sauce lights them all up with Amaterasu, then Deva easily BTs Sasuke and the fight ends, no discussion there. If Sauce tries to have Aoda keep Animal path at bay, then Aoda gets fodderized within a minute by the summonings.

Genjutsu is still not handing control over to Sasuke. If Madara summoned Kurama fighting Obito, does that mean Obito can take control of Kurama even though Madara controls him? No. Pain has 100% Control over his summonings.

If Deva has no speed feats, then why was he able to dodge swats from Gamabunta like a person trying to swat a fly? Besides the speed point is moot when Bansho Tenin just pulls Sasuke when he's recharging from MS usage, or the summonings charge him, or Asura's missiles hit him.

Even if Deva's 5 second rules is exploited, you think Sasuke can just casually attack him while 5 other pains are there as well? Sage Mode Naruto took on Pain w/o Deva, and he was already struggling there horribly. He even had the frogs to help them deal with the summonings but that wasn't enough. Sasuke fails to kill any Pain in CQC because of linked Rinnegan vision, Naruto had to use frog kumite because it was an attack that couldn't be seen. Also, give me an example of how Sasuke exploits the 5 second interval. Because if he uses Amaterasu, then Deva uses ST. Sasuke has to recharge and by the time he uses Amaterasu again, Deva can repel Sasuke's attack again.
 

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Pain wins. Sasuke with MS lacks control and his Tsukuyomi is too weak to have an actual impact on any of the Pains. Due to the fact that his Genjutsu prowess is extremely minimal, I'm sure Pain would be able to regain control quickly. The best he could do is Amaterasu, and he can barely use any of that.
 

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Pain wins. Sasuke with MS lacks control and his Tsukuyomi is too weak to have an actual impact on any of the Pains. Due to the fact that his Genjutsu prowess is extremely minimal, I'm sure Pain would be able to regain control quickly. The best he could do is Amaterasu, and he can barely use any of that.
Even if he used Amaterasu, Preta and Deva stop it.
 

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Funny how people think Sasuke can actually take this lol
Lol it is pretty damn funny. I already countered every possible move Sasuke makes.

Animal path's summons > Aoda.

If Sauce uses Amaterasu...

-...On the Summonings, then all 6 pains jump him w/ either: Bansho tennin, or Asura's missiles.

-...On the pains, then Bansho Tennin gets him while he recharges from using MS

If Sauce uses Susano'o....

-...On Animal path, no summonings yay, but the other 5 pains jump him.

-...On Deva, Animal path summons creatures and destroy his Susano'o

-...On Preta or any other path, Deva kills him with BT.

Tsukuyomi won't work because it only works on the person that is looking at them, the genjutsu'd pain can rely on the other pain's vision. The difference with Jiraiya was that the other 3 Pains were in their sleeping chambers sleeping. They were also quickly shown killed by swords after being put under genjutsu.

Taijutsu is already countered because of linked Rinnegan vision. If SM Naruto couldn't land any hits then Sasuke isn't hitting either.
 
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The three frogs when Naruto fought Pain, they all lost to the Cerebrus. If Sauce lights them all up with Amaterasu, then Deva easily BTs Sasuke and the fight ends, no discussion there. If Sauce tries to have Aoda keep Animal path at bay, then Aoda gets fodderized within a minute by the summonings.

Genjutsu is still not handing control over to Sasuke. If Madara summoned Kurama fighting Obito, does that mean Obito can take control of Kurama even though Madara controls him? No. Pain has 100% Control over his summonings.

If Deva has no speed feats, then why was he able to dodge swats from Gamabunta like a person trying to swat a fly? Besides the speed point is moot when Bansho Tenin just pulls Sasuke when he's recharging from MS usage, or the summonings charge him, or Asura's missiles hit him.

Even if Deva's 5 second rules is exploited, you think Sasuke can just casually attack him while 5 other pains are there as well? Sage Mode Naruto took on Pain w/o Deva, and he was already struggling there horribly. He even had the frogs to help them deal with the summonings but that wasn't enough. Sasuke fails to kill any Pain in CQC because of linked Rinnegan vision, Naruto had to use frog kumite because it was an attack that couldn't be seen. Also, give me an example of how Sasuke exploits the 5 second interval. Because if he uses Amaterasu, then Deva uses ST. Sasuke has to recharge and by the time he uses Amaterasu again, Deva can repel Sasuke's attack again.
Fodderized? Gamakichi easily killed one dog and Gamakan blocked easily as well. Only the third Large Toad fell back, but then they were shown stalling about 6 dogs. Long enough for Naruto to finish off the Animal Path. As I mentioned before, nothing is stopping Sasuke from killing Animal path with Amaterasu right off the bat.

That doesn't even make any sense, as Madara - or Obito - is controlling it through Genjutsu, Pein isn't. They are just its summons.

What is Gamabunta's striking rate anyway? You are clearly overestimating it. It's a large target, dodging its attack shouldn't be a problem. Recharging? I have no idea what you are even talking about. Susano'o is up and that's that. If Baku's suction couldn't pull in Susano'o, BT isn't doing any better.

What will they accomplish? Start flying around? Erect a man-wall before him? As long as he's in sight, he's a target. Once Amaterasu hits him, it's over there and then. Once he is down, nothing is stopping Sasuke from taking on these paths with CQC. Naruto outright dodged the Bird Summon, you think Sasuke cannot do it and blitz animal path if it's on the ground?

Shared vision wouldn't mean much, given that other paths hardly have any reaction rates or speed. Sasuke's on the other hand is far superior. To dodge, one would need the speed as well. It's just like how sasuke failed to counter Lee in part one. He saw all the attack, but couldn't react in time.

5 second Cool down is for both the techs. He isn't using BT and ST one after the other without going through the cool down period. Amaterasu's charge time is a lot quicker than 5 second interval. Unless you have proof.
 

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Pein wins this

-Deva and Preta can counter all of sasukes MS techniques comfortably,,,

-Even if the paths get hit by amaterasu,, they are still dead bodies,, as Preta can still absorb the flames,,, thus alllowing the paths to proceed on fighting,,,, Naraka path can hide behind some summon such as bird,, as animal path along with naraka and possibly shurado,,, can fly out of the range for Sasuke,, and thereby shurado and animal,, can put sasuke on the defensive through missiles and multiple summons that are definitely superior to sasukes,,,

-Sasuke lacking the legged susanoo variants theereby makes him quite vulnerable to deva paths attacks as deva can still pull sasuke out of his susanoo,,, through BT,, devas boss sized ST can still destroy most of sasukes susanoo bar possibly V4 which he coulsd barely maintain in his MS form,,,,

-With animal summons forcing sasuke to use susanoo and amaterasu, along with shurado missiles,, preta countering most of his MS jutsu,,, naraka path ready to revive any of the fallen paths,, and deva path firing ST/BT,, sasuke is put on the defensive as this battle is definitely prolonged, somehting which hurts sasuke extremely since the drawbacks of using his MS techniques simply gives Pein the advantange,,,,

-Pein can also summon GM,,, as i really dont see what counters does sasuke have against soul dragon,,, Pein can also use CST from poiint blank range,, though that hurts Nagatos lifespan, i dont see what sasukes defenses have against something that destroyed an entire nation,, at point blank range,, it'll eliminate sasuke,,, or if only deva is remaining, he can use CT which sasuke has no realy counters for as his YM and Susanoo simply lacks the offense to destroy the orb, and the defenses to survive the attack
 

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The problem for the Paths are; they have absolutely have no way to dodge Sasuke's attacks(Amaterasu,Susanno arrow and Kirin) and i mean absolutely no way....Kakashi actually dodged Deva Path's kick (easily Hypersonic) while he resorted to Kamui just so he can survive from those Arrows.​

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I don't see how Sasuke looses this match.​
 

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The problem for the Paths are; they have absolutely have no way to dodge Sasuke's attacks(Amaterasu,Susanno arrow and Kirin) and i mean absolutely no way....Kakashi actually dodged Deva Path's kick (easily Hypersonic) while he resorted to Kamui just so he can survive from those Arrows.​

I don't see how Sasuke looses this match.​
Deva repels all of these attack with ST,, and preta comfortably absorbs all of them,,,
using devas kick as an example is purely useless since kakashi was fighting ms sasuke in CQC as well,, and he performed much better against sasuke,, rather than deva
 

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Deva repels all of these attack with ST,,
Good to know....what does he do after he repels those attacks and he has to wait 5 seconds for his next attack? I will tell you....he gets burned.​

and preta comfortably absorbs all of them,,,
Absorbs all of them? Are you really that blind? I didn't knew it was possible to absorb an attack that it not made of Chakra(Kirin)​

using devas kick as an example is purely useless since kakashi was fighting ms sasuke in CQC as well,, and he performed much better against sasuke,, rather than deva
Oh, great....he performed better against Sasuke(who by the way just fought Danzo and was completely exhausted)....tell me, what are you trying imply? and you called the example i used "purely useless"....how ironic.​
 

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Good to know....what does he do after he repels those attacks and he has to wait 5 seconds for his next attack? I will tell you....he gets burned.​



Absorbs all of them? Are you really that blind? I didn't knew it was possible to absorb an attack that it not made of Chakra(Kirin)​



Oh, great....he performed better against Sasuke(who by the way just fought Danzo and was completely exhausted)....tell me, what are you trying imply? and you called the example i used "purely useless"....how ironic.​
Since when was Kirin not made out of chakra....
 
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