MS sasuke (post danzo fight) vs Shark Mode Kisame

[Curse Mark]

can't samehada just absorb it
isn't this MS Sasuke meaning Manda is dead

yes it's sasuke post danzo fight.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Hmm, I say Sasuke.

 

[Beans2]

This guy is trying to throw shade but doesn't even have the balls to even quote me :lol

Daikodan executing the same speed of one of the fastest projectile in the series?

Yes because Kisame can execute GSB as fast as Gai can execute Hirudora. It doesn't matter how fast the arrow is, since Susanoo has to string the arrow first. That's when Kisame preps GSB, and when they clash the shark swallows the arrow and gets stronger.

Daikodan killing a character like Manda by sudden force that the jutsu capable of exerting? Yet alone act like its inescapable for the likes of him?

Databook states the shark's teeth are capable of tearing apart an enemy. Doesn't matter tho. MS Sasuke doesn't have Manda.

Kisame capable of creating clones under Prison Dance Jutsu?

Um yes...

Are these some of the reasons why some highly overrates him? Lol

Says the guy that thinks Gamakichi can solo Kisame. The stupidity is just way too strong.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

This guy is trying to throw shade but doesn't even have the balls to even quote me :lol

Lmao hows quoting going to make anything difference or show cowardliness? And this is funny coming from someone who didnt have to "balls" to respond to recent threads/replies that was directly towards you. All you do is cry for not having a mutual agreement on something.

Yes because Kisame can execute GSB as fast as Gai can execute Hirudora. It doesn't matter how fast the arrow is, since Susanoo has to string the arrow first. That's when Kisame preps GSB, and when they clash the shark swallows the arrow and gets stronger.

@Bold good cause isn't going to somehow figure out the speed and strength of those arrows just by seeing it the first time. His first action would easily be what he did against V2 Bee's tackle.

Databook states the shark's teeth are capable of tearing apart an enemy. Doesn't matter tho. MS Sasuke doesn't have Manda.

Um yes...

Um no. Just because he needs to set up "Great Exploding Water Colliding Wave" doesnt mean it will carry the same priorities. Once Kisame release the water source and changed it into "Prison Dance", its a whole different jutsu. So no evidence he can 1. and 2. Manga outright stated having a weakness via "not be able to contain two enemies fleeing in opposite directions".

Says the guy that thinks Gamakichi can solo Kisame. The stupidity is just way too strong.

Says the guy who ran from an argument and only proving himself why.

 

[Beans2]

Lmao hows quoting going to make anything difference or show cowardliness? And this is funny coming from someone who didnt have to "balls" to respond to recent threads/replies that was directly towards you. All you do is cry for not having a mutual agreement on something.

If you ridicule my post, QUOTE ME SO I SEE IT, cause I won't see it until much later if you don't quote me.

@Bold good cause isn't going to somehow figure out the speed and strength of those arrows just by seeing it the first time. His first action would easily be what he did against V2 Bee's tackle.

Bold is based on literally nothing since those two attacks aren't even comparable nor are the scenarios in which they are occurring. If anything, he will respond like he did against Gai's Hirudora- with Daikodan. If Kisame sees a giant chakra arrow being aimed at him, he's not going to sit there and find out exactly what the speed and strength of the arrow. He's going to take action.

Um no. Just because he needs to set up "Great Exploding Water Colliding Wave" doesnt mean it will carry the same priorities. Once Kisame release the water source and changed it into "Prison Dance", its a whole different jutsu. So no evidence he can 1. and 2. Manga outright stated having a weakness via "not be able to contain two enemies fleeing in opposite directions".

What are you even talking about?

1. GWCW is the water that Kisame uses for his dome, he just changes the shape of the water to surround him. Can't see how this is even relevant to making clones in WD though...
2. Manga outright states fused Kisame in Water Dome has no weaknesses, so that kills your second

Says the guy who ran from an argument and only proving himself why.

No

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Bold is based on literally nothing since those two attacks aren't even comparable nor are the scenarios in which they are occurring. If anything, he will respond like he did against Gai's Hirudora- with Daikodan. If Kisame sees a giant chakra arrow being aimed at him, he's not going to sit there and find out exactly what the speed and strength of the arrow. He's going to take action.

@Bold: Agree to disagree as theres no winner in how we think Kisame is going to respond.

As for the rest, for Kisame to take action he still needs to perform at least 3 hand seals before he can release GSB. And we canonically saw it being stop by V1 Bee cloak/V1 Ay speed. And the arrow moves faster then that form of speed blitz. Plus we canonically seen the arrow move much faster then Danzo's hand seal speed (which needed 3 seals to unlock Izanagi). And Danzo only had time to do it because Sasuke had to create another arrow.

What are you even talking about?

1. GWCW is the water that Kisame uses for his dome, he just changes the shape of the water to surround him. Can't see how this is even relevant to making clones in WD though...
2. Manga outright states fused Kisame in Water Dome has no weaknesses, so that kills your second

@underline whats so confusing with my sentence, you are literally repeating what I just said. @Bold its relevant because its now a different jutsu, meaning its no longer GWCW. [

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2. That statement came straight from your ass not the manga. I hope I dont actualy have to post scans here, oh well[

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No

-Overrates Kisames capability.

-Says he can take out Team Taka under "conditions".

- Doesn't response to post that could refute anything that could hurt your personal beliefs.

Ill say yes.

 

[Beans2]

@Bold: Agree to disagree as theres no winner in how we think Kisame is going to respond.

Hell no. Kisame will respond to Susanoo arrow just like he responded to Hirudora because when it's a long range attack, he can fire back GSB to intercept. Unlike Lariat, because Bee could just sidestep GSB and Lariat Kisame anyway. Matter of fact, Kisame didn't even have a water source to use GSB with in that instance so of course he couldn't use it against Bee, especially at the close range they were at. Not comparable at all to a situation where Kisame is underwater fused in the dome.

And besides, Kisame can survive a Susanoo arrow if one does hit him. Samehada will heal the damage.

As for the rest, for Kisame to take action he still needs to perform at least 3 hand seals before he can release GSB. And we canonically saw it being stop by V1 Bee cloak/V1 Ay speed. And the arrow moves faster then that form of speed blitz. Plus we canonically seen the arrow move much faster then Danzo's hand seal speed (which needed 3 seals to unlock Izanagi). And Danzo only had time to do it because Sasuke had to create another arrow.

Like I already said, Susanoo arrow's speed is irrelevant because it's in the time that Sasuke strings the arrow that Kisame makes the hand seals for GSB. Danzo could weave his hand seals before Sasuke could string and fire another arrow [

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], both of which are faster than Susanno stringing an arrow.

@underline whats so confusing with my sentence, you are literally repeating what I just said. @Bold its relevant because its now a different jutsu, meaning its no longer GWCW. [

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I said that I didn't understand your sentence because I did not want to believe that you actually were trying to make a point this retarded. It's water either way, first of all, and I don't even need feats of Kisame specifically using water clones in water dome to prove he can. He's never used thousand feeding sharks, water prison, Daikodan, or summoned sharks in water dome either. Does that mean he can't do it? BTW, I'd like to see some actual proof that the two are even classified as two seperate jutsus.

2. That statement came straight from your ass not the manga. I hope I dont actualy have to post scans here, oh well[

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"That statement came straight from your ass not the manga"

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-Overrates Kisames capability.

-Says he can take out Team Taka under "conditions".

- Doesn't response to post that could refute anything that could hurt your personal beliefs.

Ill say yes.

You still think Gamakichi beats Kisame. I cannot take you seriously.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Hell no. Kisame will respond to Susanoo arrow just like he responded to Hirudora because when it's a long range attack, he can fire back GSB to intercept. Unlike Lariat, because Bee could just sidestep GSB and Lariat Kisame anyway. Matter of fact, Kisame didn't even have a water source to use GSB with in that instance so of course he couldn't use it against Bee, especially at the close range they were at. Not comparable at all to a situation where Kisame is underwater fused in the dome.

And besides, Kisame can survive a Susanoo arrow if one does hit him. Samehada will heal the damage.

We witness Kisame using the jutsu only twice in the manga. And each were left with no options. Thats because in both scenarios he had no Samehada with him to rely on.

1st scenario was an attempt to use GSB with no Water Source, got blitz.

2nd scenario Guy didnt even bother releasing his punch yet, as we know it only takes one strike for it to be released. And in those same scan[

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@Bold no idea what your talking about.

Like I already said, Susanoo arrow's speed is irrelevant because it's in the time that Sasuke strings the arrow that Kisame makes the hand seals for GSB. Danzo could weave his hand seals before Sasuke could string and fire another arrow [

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]. Kisame can execute GSB as fast as Gai can execute Hirudora [

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], both of which are faster than Susanno stringing an arrow.

Lol no its relevant because Kisame canonically got stopped by a speed blitz when making hand seals for GSB, and was stop by a much slower attack. Danzo hand seal speed > Kisame by feats.

Addressed Guy vs Kisame already, which I would like to add Kisame release his first so bringing up that scenario doesnt even help your argument.

I said that I didn't understand your sentence because I did not want to believe that you actually were trying to make a point this retarded. It's water either way, first of all, and I don't even need feats of Kisame specifically using water clones in water dome to prove he can. He's never used thousand feeding sharks, water prison, Daikodan, or summoned sharks in water dome either. Does that mean he can't do it? BTW, I'd like to see some actual proof that the two are even classified as two seperate jutsus.

Says my claim, straight from manga, is retarded. Says he doesnt need to prove his positive claims, admitting baring no support for his claims to begin with. Nice.

Your reasoning "its just water" lmao. @Bold Obviously, when you stop wanking this character and put him in some petal stool his not even in then maybe you would see its not possible nor supported anywhere in the manga.

@Underline. Seriously? This is GWSW [

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"That statement came straight from your ass not the manga"

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Apparently you can't read. Its talking about specifically Kisame fused with Samehada not the jutsu he is using. Can't believe your actually arguing that the justu has no weakness when the manga showed its weak point Lol.

You still think Gamakichi beats Kisame. I cannot take you seriously.

I think Gamakichi has a chance based on the fact the Kisame fighting style is absorbing and outlasting his opponents. And based on the fact that its actually possible that Kisame losses by absorbing Senjutsu chakra, something Gamakichi has mastered..

Maybe if you stop wanking and overrating this dude, your opinion would hold some value.

 

[Icelerate]

Kisame can no longer make hand seals when he is fused with samehada so why do we have people saying he can use all sorts of ninjutsu while in the WD?

 

[Draegod]

Kisame can no longer make hand seals when he is fused with samehada so why do we have people saying he can use all sorts of ninjutsu while in the WD?

Been saying this for the longest with TAC.

 

[NarutoX28]

Why can't Kisamehada form seals?

 

[Beans2]

We witness Kisame using the jutsu only twice in the manga. And each were left with no options. Thats because in both scenarios he had no Samehada with him to rely on.

1st scenario was an attempt to use GSB with no Water Source, got blitz.

2nd scenario Guy didnt even bother releasing his punch yet, as we know it only takes one strike for it to be released. And in those same scan[

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@Bold no idea what your talking about.

The fact that he didn't have Samehada is irrelevant, because he's not going to just sit there and let it the arrow pierce him just because he has his sword. Are you saying that if Kisame had Samehada on him, he wouldn't have tried to counter AT with GSB? That's ridiculous.

The bold is way too far of a reach. That was White Zetsu, not Kisame, and WZ never actually had intention to use GSB because he doesn't have that ability. :lol.

Worst case scenario is that Sasuke hits him with Susanoo arrow on his first try, but Samehada absorbs the arrow and heals the damage done to Kisame. From now on Kisame will just use GSB because he has intel on how strong the arrows are.

Lol no its relevant because Kisame canonically got stopped by a speed blitz when making hand seals for GSB, and was stop by a much slower attack. Danzo hand seal speed > Kisame by feats.

Addressed Guy vs Kisame already, which I would like to add Kisame release his first so bringing up that scenario doesnt even help your argument.

Crossed out part is irrelevant because that was WZ. Already showed you a scan of Danzo weaving seals for izanagi while Sasuke strings an arrow, and there is not a significant difference in hand seal speed between Kisame and Danzo for that to be a factor. I might as well ask for proof for the bold, because I don't know where that came from.

The way the pages are drawn show that they were released at the same time, just like how Naruto and Sasuke released their attacks at the same time even if Sasuke released his jutsu on the previous page.

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Says my claim, straight from manga, is retarded. Says he doesnt need to prove his positive claims, admitting baring no support for his claims to begin with. Nice.

Your reasoning "its just water" lmao. @Bold Obviously, when you stop wanking this character and put him in some petal stool his not even in then maybe you would see its not possible nor supported anywhere in the manga.

@Underline. Seriously? This is GWSW [

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] two different names two different purposes/priorities. I can't believe I actually had to show you the difference Lol.

Your reason for him not being able to create clones in WD is just "he has no feats of doing so." That's retarded. Until you give me an ACTUAL reason why he can't do that, then he does it just fine.

LMAOOO, dude actually said "pedal stool." I'm weak rn.

Apparently you can't read. Its talking about specifically Kisame fused with Samehada not the jutsu he is using. Can't believe your actually arguing that the justu has no weakness when the manga showed its weak point Lol.

When you can correlate water dome's "weakness" to an actual reason for Kisame not being able to make clones in the dome, then I'll acknowledge this point. Until then, it's irrelevant.

I think Gamakichi has a chance based on the fact the Kisame fighting style is absorbing and outlasting his opponents. And based on the fact that its actually possible that Kisame losses by absorbing Senjutsu chakra, something Gamakichi has mastered..

-Pierces Gamakichi with a bone and sucks out all his chakra through that.
-One shots him with Great Shark Bullet.
-Makes 1,000 water sharks to devour him.

Senjutsu chakra will only turn you to stone if you absorb so much of it that it throws your chakra levels off balance. Kisame, who has bijuu reserves, could easily absorb all the chakra in Gamakichi's body and be fine.

Maybe if you stop wanking and overrating this dude, your opinion would hold some value.

I don't wank him. You just underrate him as evidenced by how you think Kisame loses to opponents like Gamakichi, Kakuzu, Torune+Fuu, Edo Han, etc. I can go on.

 

[Beans2]

Kisame can no longer make hand seals when he is fused with samehada so why do we have people saying he can use all sorts of ninjutsu while in the WD?

-Manga states his

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, and not being able to use ninjutsu while fused is something I would consider a major weakness. So manga implies he can. Also if the webbing gets in the way of his seals (not that it necessarily will), Kisame can just bite the webbing off.

Worst case scenario, Kisame makes a water clone before fusing and the water clone executes all his ninjutsu for him.

 

[Icelerate]

-Manga states his

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, and not being able to use ninjutsu while fused is something I would consider a major weakness. So manga implies he can. Also if the webbing gets in the way of his seals (not that it necessarily will), Kisame can just bite the webbing off.

Worst case scenario, Kisame makes a water clone before fusing and the water clone executes all his ninjutsu for him.

That's a stretch though. Not to mention Kisame is already kneading chakra to maintain that large volume of water so how can he knead even more chakra to use another jutsu?

I agree that he can make clones before though.

Been saying this for the longest with TAC.

I got that idea from you. =D

 

[Forbidden Technique]

That's a stretch though. Not to mention Kisame is already kneading chakra to maintain that large volume of water so how can he knead even more chakra to use another jutsu?

I agree that he can make clones before though.


I got that idea from you. =D

30% Kisame held the lake together no problem, while also using 3 Mizu Bunshins and 5 Water Sharks. Yes, he held it together, else all the water would just fall flat. So nothing supports the notion of 100% Kisame not being able to do the same within the WD. Also, his webbed hands doesn't get in the way of all his jutsu, like his summoning for example. Lastly, nothing stops Kisame from forming the WD, perform whatever jutsu he wants to, then fuses.

 

[Icelerate]

30% Kisame held the lake together no problem, while also using 3 Mizu Bunshins and 5 Water Sharks. Yes, he held it together, else all the water would just fall flat. So nothing supports the notion of 100% Kisame not being able to do the same within the WD. Also, his webbed hands doesn't get in the way of all his jutsu, like his summoning for example. Lastly, nothing stops Kisame from forming the WD, perform whatever jutsu he wants to, then fuses.

Okay makes sense. Though how is Kisame going to maintain the WD before he fuses? Wouldn't it just collapse?

 

[Ambivalence]

Kisame almost definitely takes it, or at least more times than not. Wasn't there an official debate for this?

Well, whatever, Kisame wins.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

The fact that he didn't have Samehada is irrelevant, because he's not going to just sit there and let it the arrow pierce him just because he has his sword. Are you saying that if Kisame had Samehada on him, he wouldn't have tried to counter AT with GSB? That's ridiculous.

The bold is way too far of a reach. That was White Zetsu, not Kisame, and WZ never actually had intention to use GSB because he doesn't have that ability. :lol.

Obviously Kisame isnt going to think that he could be pierce by a mere chakra construct, which is completely vulnerable to Samehada. Maybe not against AT, after witnessing MP and Guy powering up even further. So its not going to be the same scenario.

Being a Clone is irrelevant, not when Clone carried out Kisame's jutsu, and kept Kisame's physical speed. Since we know Zetsu took over right after Kisame got inked.

Lets not ignore Zetsu ability to duplicate characters and abilities (bar KKG) once he touches their chakra.

Worst case scenario is that Sasuke hits him with Susanoo arrow on his first try, but Samehada absorbs the arrow and heals the damage done to Kisame. From now on Kisame will just use GSB because he has intel on how strong the arrows are.

Dont need to add this point since Im not even debating for Sasuke. Just addressing the 3 points where I said your overeating Kisame's capability.

Crossed out part is irrelevant because that was WZ. Already showed you a scan of Danzo weaving seals for izanagi while Sasuke strings an arrow, and there is not a significant difference in hand seal speed between Kisame and Danzo for that to be a factor. I might as well ask for proof for the bold, because I don't know where that came from.

You crossed it out because it debunks your arguments. Its relevant and you have no point. @Bold comes from the point you tried to cross out as irrelevant.

The way the pages are drawn show that they were released at the same time, just like how Naruto and Sasuke released their attacks at the same time even if Sasuke released his jutsu on the previous page.

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Thats fair. Still doesnt change the fact that Guy kept his post and waited before releasing AT.

Your reason for him not being able to create clones in WD is just "he has no feats of doing so." That's retarded. Until you give me an ACTUAL reason why he can't do that, then he does it just fine.

LMAOOO, dude actually said "pedal stool." I'm weak rn.

Lmao thats BS this is what I said:

Um no. Just because he needs to set up "Great Exploding Water Colliding Wave" doesnt mean it will carry the same priorities. Once Kisame release the water source and changed it into "Prison Dance", its a whole different jutsu. So no evidence he can 1. and 2. Manga outright stated having a weakness via "not be able to contain two enemies fleeing in opposite directions".

So ill paraphrase those two points again

1. Kisame could not stop 2 enemies fleeing in opposite direction FACT.

2. Great Exploding Water Colliding Wave cannot used the priorities of Shark Dance. Meaning capable of altering its position in order to reflect the direction of his movements. Or capable of sucking out all but the last dregs of the opponents chakra.

For you to make a claim that Kisame can create a clone contradicts manga of Kisame, not being able to stop 2 enemies fleeing in the opposite direction. And that goes vise versa with Water Shockwave

And first time hearing that figure of speed Lol?

-Pierces Gamakichi with a bone and sucks out all his chakra through that.
-One shots him with Great Shark Bullet.
-Makes 1,000 water sharks to devour him.

Senjutsu chakra will only turn you to stone if you absorb so much of it that it throws your chakra levels off balance. Kisame, who has bijuu reserves, could easily absorb all the chakra in Gamakichi's body and be fine.

- And then Kisame turns to stone
- Which is easily avoidable for Kitchi ridiculous leaps
- If only all 1000 are capable of surrounding him from the start. Too bad its avoid, blasted away any near by sharks from water canon. And Candy Gun trap layers null their attack by being entangled.

@Bold good thing you set up Kisame based on your first point to get natural energy directly and having big reserves doesnt change the fact consuming natural energy would take over. That little oil Naruto gain from his training already put him in an unstable state[

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I don't wank him. You just underrate him as evidenced by how you think Kisame loses to opponents like Gamakichi, Kakuzu, Torune+Fuu, Edo Han, etc. I can go on.

Ah yea you do, as I pointed already pointed out you thinking he could potential take out Taka (even with EMS Sasuke too) and overrating his capability. and @bold the fact that you look at superiority then match up (w/ conditions) wise also says. Lol @ you thinking Kisame is that above Kakuzu.

 

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Okay makes sense. Though how is Kisame going to maintain the WD before he fuses? Wouldn't it just collapse?

WD (Suiton: Dai Bakusui Shōha) has nothing to do with Kisame fusing with Samehada. That would be the Water Prison Shark Dance technique. Two separate jutsu. It was shown in the manga that Kisame formed the WD first, then fused immediately afterwards. So he doesn't need to fuse in order to hold the WD together, else that would need to be done before using Suiton: Dai Bakusui Shōha.

 

[Curse Mark]

The bold is way too far of a reach. That was White Zetsu, not Kisame, and WZ never actually had intention to use GSB because he doesn't have that ability. :lol.

White zetsu copies them down to their chakra. He can use the techniques.