MS Obito vs Mu

[Demonic.]

Just to make things clear, Obito doesn't need physical contact to wrap someone:

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That's inside Kamui idiot.

 

[Rιver]

Just to make things clear, Obito doesn't need physical contact to wrap someone:

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Then why did he insist on touching Naruto, Minato and many other ninja's? His Kamui is not long range.

That was inside Kamui, as noted.

 

[Benjamin King]

Then why did he insist on touching Naruto, Minato and many other ninja's? His Kamui is not long range.

That was inside Kamui, as noted.

Don't know and don't care. Feats can become outdated by new feats. And wrong, he can use it at long-range [

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Any proof that inside Kamui allows the user to teleport others without physical contact? Nope. No proof.

 

[Demonic.]

Don't know and don't care. Feats can become outdated by new feats. And wrong, he can use it at long-range [

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Any proof that inside Kamui allows the user to teleport others without physical contact? Nope. No proof.

Obito teleporting objects outside of his eye with no physical contact doesn't do it for you?

Find a scan of Obito warping someone without touch outside of Kamui then we'll talk.

 

[maniaoqan]

Why people keep saying Mu can go invisible and sneak on Obito ?

Sharingan can see through chakra. Mu can't hide from Obito or sneak up on him. You're being plain ignorant.

 

[ARGUS]

Based on what? He's already turned visible when attempting to hit Onoki here [

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Lol Nope,

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, otherwise he wouldve attacked him whilst invisible, not to mention that there is no need for muu to go invisible iff his opponent can just locate him anyways,

Muu only has to turn visible in-order to use his chakra based attacks such as jinton,
otherwise he can use his taijutsu based attacks whilst invisible just fine, meaning that obito gets hiit

So no, he loses the second he attempts to touch Obito as I've already shown Obito's perceptive skills and reaction speed to 6th Gated Gai.

Again no, Obito cant see or locate muu so how is he attacking him,
and ur poiint on muu going visible to attack or use mere tai/kenjutsu is also wrong,
meaning that obitos reaction speed is meaningless especially where he would have no clue where he is getting attacked from

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You're still not understanding, muu's fission jutsu is faster to use than a regular bunshin jutsu, because muu doesn't have to use handsigns in order to split, while he still does in order to create a clone.

It doesn't make him any faster, it's just a faster alternative.

This isn't stated anywhere, if he weighs less then he should be half the size as well going by this logic. Muu is the same size, he only creates two weak copies out of himself, they aren't any faster, lighter, etc.

I have already concedded on this point, i dont see why you are bringing it again

As I stated though muu can't hit obito regardless of being visible or not, that doesn't change how kamui works.

Nope,
the moment obitos kamui limit runs out, means that muu can sense him, and then attack him,
where obito wud have no clue whatsoever where he is getting attacked from, and then he dies

 

[Conspirator.]

Why people keep saying Mu can go invisible and sneak on Obito ?

Sharingan can see through chakra. Mu can't hide from Obito or sneak up on him. You're being plain ignorant.

Wrong. Mu's technique was more advanced than the tech that the Iwa fodders used, since he had no

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which is why he couldn't be sensed by ordinary sensors. So no, unless you provide evidence Obito cannot see Mu with the sharingan.

OT: With full intel on Kamui's limit, Mu should be able to win. He can use his fission tech while invisible, and use it to trick Obito into warping a clone, and kill him while he's solid with a sword.(he had a sword as an adult, and his weapons remain invisible.) So Mu mid diff.

 

[Rιver]

Don't know and don't care. Feats can become outdated by new feats. And wrong, he can use it at long-range [

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Any proof that inside Kamui allows the user to teleport others without physical contact? Nope. No proof.

As I said, his Kamui is not long range. It's been proven that even while separate one Kamui can boost another. He just used the opposite tactic of nullifying it. Just like how Obito used both his Kamui to connect to Kaguya's dimension or Kakashi and Obito used Kamui simultaneously to boost another.

If we were to think it with math, it would be like this:

0,5 + 0,5 = 1

0,5 - 0,5 = 0

 

[Apêx1]

Lol Nope,

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, otherwise he wouldve attacked him whilst invisible, not to mention that there is no need for muu to go invisible iff his opponent can just locate him anyways,

Muu only has to turn visible in-order to use his chakra based attacks such as jinton,
otherwise he can use his taijutsu based attacks whilst invisible just fine, meaning that obito gets hiit

Oh, my bad.

Again no, Obito cant see or locate muu so how is he attacking him,
and ur poiint on muu going visible to attack or use mere tai/kenjutsu is also wrong,
meaning that obitos reaction speed is meaningless especially where he would have no clue where he is getting attacked from

[/QUOTE]

Draphsin already showed a multitude of occasions where Obito was attacked without his knowing and Kamui'd away. I don't see why this would be any different since not knowing someone is attacking you is the equivalent of someone attacking you while invisible, not to mention Mu has nothing to suggest he is Gai, Kakashi or Naruto levels of striking speed.

 

[ARGUS]

Oh, my bad.


Draphsin already showed a multitude of occasions where Obito was attacked without his knowing and Kamui'd away. I don't see why this would be any different since not knowing someone is attacking you is the equivalent of someone attacking you while invisible, not to mention Mu has nothing to suggest he is Gai, Kakashi or Naruto levels of striking speed.

the scan which he linked, clearly had Obito being able to see his opponent,

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, guys back attack is still irrelevant when obito made himself fully intangible upon seeing kakashi, so that scan doesnt prove anything

obito is not perceiving, or attacking muu, when he would have no clue whatsoever on his whereabouts,
muu would also be able to tell when obito is intangible or not, since muu would be able to locate obito once hes tangible thanks to the formers sensing,
so Obito isnt getting away from that either, nor is he activating his intangibiliy when he is completely oblivious on where he is getting attacked from,

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Is this a joke? Mu's whole person turns invisible, including anything he is carrying. Some Iwa fodder used the same jutsu during Kakashi Gaiden. Was his Kunai visible while his body was not? Lol. Of course not.

And who was it who saw through the "Same Jutsu" and killed that iwa fodder?

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[KidGamer65]

And who was it who saw through the "Same Jutsu" and killed that iwa fodder?

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Its been stated already that Mu's jutsu>Fodder's Jutsu, as his chakra vanishes, so he can't be seen or sensed.

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[Apêx1]

the scan which he linked, clearly had Obito being able to see his opponent,

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, guys back attack is still irrelevant when obito made himself fully intangible upon seeing kakashi, so that scan doesnt prove anything

obito is not perceiving, or attacking muu, when he would have no clue whatsoever on his whereabouts,
muu would also be able to tell when obito is intangible or not, since muu would be able to locate obito once hes tangible thanks to the formers sensing,
so Obito isnt getting away from that either, nor is he activating his intangibiliy when he is completely oblivious on where he is getting attacked from,

You only picked one scan, and disregarded the rest.. [

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] He had 0 ways to notice these attacks, yet he went intangible. His perceptive skills are clearly highly impressive. You can feel the air move when it is attacking you, slight sounds are made, even when presence is concealed, unless you are telling me he is concealing his and the environment's presence, which is ludicrous. Not to mention Obito can opt not to go intangible at all, get struck, kill the person he struck, and then Izanagi. If you are claiming that the fission clone strikes Obito, then I doubt it, given his striking speed would be half that of a striking speed-featless fighter, thus Obito reacts with Kamui upon contact with a sword against his body.

 

[Haizaki]

Manga confirms Obito needs physical contact to warp. Therefore he does...why then was he trying to touch Naruto all along

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Why was he trying to touch Gai here to warp him

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I can play the same way as well...Obito full body wasn't shown as well as Sakura in this scan

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Obito was Barefooted as we know..Any proof of their legs not making contact? No.

Not to mention in this scan

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We see Obito looking at the rod and then he obviously turned to warp Sakura. We see only his eyes and not Sakura. We see only Obito's eyes warping and then we say he didn't touch? When Manga already established this? What new feats are we talking about? Of that being the ability of his eye?

 

[maniaoqan]

Wrong. Mu's technique was more advanced than the tech that the Iwa fodders used, since he had no

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which is why he couldn't be sensed by ordinary sensors. So no, unless you provide evidence Obito cannot see Mu with the sharingan.

Its been stated already that Mu's jutsu>Fodder's Jutsu, as his chakra vanishes, so he can't be seen or sensed.

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You're funny. Sharingan can see any chakra activity. Any ninjutsu requires chakra to activate and maintain. Obito can see him. That was the most likely reason why Mu+Ohnoki got bested by EMS Madara. He saw right through them and there is no reason why Obito can't.

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Just like Itachi said.

 

[Haizaki]

Yo Apex...I think Obito from his blindspot was able to react to 5G Gai because he had shared vision with his Jinchuurikis

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(Rinnegan) If Mu attacks without him being able to see Mu, it would most likely be a different case.

Though I'd admit Mu would only be able to succeed with this due to invisibility because even Obito reacted to V1 Ay with Kamui

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If Mu attacks him head on, he'd react. Then again Mu can still react to Obito giving the fact that he's a sensor and Fu could react to Obito from his blind spot

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and we know Mu has much better reactions since he could react to something the Raikage failed to react to here

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[Conspirator.]

You're funny. Sharingan can see any chakra activity.

Correct. But when Mu is invisible, his chakra also becomes invisible, not just his physical body. That's why he wasn't able to be sensed by ordinary means by the sensor division. That's why Obito cannot see him when he's invisible.

Any ninjutsu requires chakra to activate and maintain. Obito can see him. That was the most likely reason why Mu+Ohnoki got bested by EMS Madara. He saw right through them and there is no reason why Obito can't.

I already know that. That's probably the reason why he has to become visible to use jinton genius. However, stabbing Obito with a blade doesn't require him to become visible and give away his position. Also, comparing EMS madara to the obito situation is stupid. Once Madara uses his complete susanoo(he used it in the manga against Mu and Ohnoki) the only way they have of breaking through his defences is by using Jinton-and that requires Mu to become visible and gives away his position. MS obito has no such technique.

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Just like Itachi said.

Irrelevant.

 

[ARGUS]

You only picked one scan, and disregarded the rest.. [

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] He had 0 ways to notice these attacks, yet he went intangible.

His perceptive skills are clearly highly impressive. You can feel the air move when it is attacking you, slight sounds are made, even when presence is concealed, unless you are telling me he is concealing his and the environment's presence, which is ludicrous. Not to mention Obito can opt not to go intangible at all, get struck, kill the person he struck, and then Izanagi. If you are claiming that the fission clone strikes Obito, then I doubt it, given his striking speed would be half that of a striking speed-featless fighter, thus Obito reacts with Kamui upon contact with a sword against his body.

Nope,

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hence why the shinobi alliance were unable to locate him,
unless youre telling me that obitos sensing or locating skills are better than the entire SA, Lol

the scans that you have posted, are still irrelevant as they still involve things like heat changes, on top of the fact that obito can clearly see his opponents and feel their presense,
in this battle this isnt happening, when muus entire presense is hidden, meaning that obitos so called perceptive skills are not doing shit

and what are you on about?
how does obito react to something when he cant even locate or feel its presense?
its like saying that obito reacts to air, because air moves, thats just ridiculous

if Obito tries to not go intangible then Muu senses him, and then proceeds to slit his throat through his sword, where obito would have no idea on the formers location, let alone attack muu, Lol

and you can also read Evanis post, he has summed it up quite well​

 

[Selan]

Yo Apex...I think Obito from his blindspot was able to react to 5G Gai because he had shared vision with his Jinchuurikis

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(Rinnegan) If Mu attacks without him being able to see Mu, it would most likely be a different case.

Though I'd admit Mu would only be able to succeed with this due to invisibility because even Obito reacted to V1 Ay with Kamui

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If Mu attacks him head on, he'd react. Then again Mu can still react to Obito giving the fact that he's a sensor and Fu could react to Obito from his blind spot

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and we know Mu has much better reactions since he could react to something the Raikage failed to react to here

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Good points, but Fu reacted because the upper part of Obito's body was in the real world, thus he could be sensed. If Obito warps himself with the self teleporting function of Kamui, Mu wouldn't be able to do nothing: even if he could perceive Obito trying to touch him, at the last moment, and reacted, Obito would turn intangible and then warp him after the phasing.

 

[Haizaki]

Good points, but Fu reacted because the upper part of Obito's body was in the real world, thus he could be sensed. If Obito warps himself with the self teleporting function of Kamui, Mu wouldn't be able to do nothing: even if he could perceive Obito trying to touch him, at the last moment, and reacted, Obito would turn intangible and then warp him after the phasing.

Thanks.

Doesn't matter though..he could react once he sensed. I don't really get what you mean by the self teleporting Kamui, won't that mean he'll take longer to warp himself?

Actually, didn't Fu react without Obito still being in the real word? Look closely

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The appearance of his mask and line on his attire is different from before and when FU attacks and then it changes implying that he was intangible when and before Fu attacked.