MS Obito Versus Itachi | Why Obito is Victorious.

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Conditions of the Battle.

Itachi is healthy, but does not have his KA Crow. Obito is MS Obito that was in the Akatsuki, but he is not allowed to use Izanagi.

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How does MS Obito overcome healthy MS Itachi in a 1v1 battle?

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Lets start off with Itachi's minor abilities such as his elemental affinites and clones before we go onto his MS abilities. Of course, Itachi's elemental affinities don't possess a threat to Obito, however I'll show you how Obito counters them anyways. As we know, Itachi possess a and affinity. Now how does Obito counter these? The most obvious choice would be Kamui which allows him just to slip through both of these attacks and coming out unaffected. However, there are more ways to counter this than just Kamui. The second one would be Obito's own Katon which is as big as the Juubi itself. Not only would this overpower Itachi's Suiton or Katon, it would also force Itachi to activate Susano'o in order to defend himself.

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The third way would just be quickly with his Kamui. As you can see, Obito was confident enough to state that he could warp Minato before he teleports so teleporting a simple Katon or Suiton quickly won't be a problem. This leaves only Itachi's Crow Summonings and clones, normal Genjutsu and CQC capabilities. His Crows won't be a problem since Obito will be able to still see Itachi's Chakra despite the Crows flooding the battlefield which allows Obito to either;

a) Warp away from the crows.
b) Kill them with Katon.

Meaning that the Crow Summonings aren't any threat at all. Clones themselves won't really be a problem either since it's already been shown that Itachi can create only one clone at a time which Obito will see as soon as Itachi creates it. Tricking Obito with clones and trying to attack him head on with them won't be successful as Obito has already fought and effortlessly destroyed Naruto's own clones.

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Obito isn't someone who is going to get tricked by them and an exploding clone won't work either because much , Obito will see through it and use Kamui to pass through the explosion. Getting rid off the clones with or a punch will do the trick and if needed, Katon can help him wipe them out completely. Itachi's Shuriken jutsu will be countered by Kamui since Obito will simply pass through it leaving Obito only to counter Itachi's CQC capabilities and normal Genjutsu.
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CQC is Itachi's only chance to try and bypass Kamui, however that chance isn't going to become reality. Here is explained how going into CQC with Obito won't help even an expert like Gai to push him to his five minute Kamui limit.

@Underlined. I know that, however, I don't see Gai attacking Obito constantly for five minutes since Obito can either pass throught him and run away, or go underground using Kamui. Unlike Konan, Gai can't simply split the ground, not allowing Obito to walk on anything and he can keep on throwing punches and kicks constantly for five minutes and make them 'stick' to Obito like Konan's paper bombs did since obviously there is an interval between each other punch and kick.​

I understand all of that, however, I don't believe you got my point exactly. You see, in order to outlast that five minutes weakness of Obito's Kamui, you need to keep on attacking him constantly, not even allowing him for a second to release Kamui. Konan managed to do this by splitting the ground and not allowing Obito to stand on a solid object while making millions of paper bombs stick to him and some pierce and fly throught him and then making them explode constantly for about ten minutes.

You see, Gai cannot make his punches and kicks to stick to Obito and he cannot keep on attacking constantly since there is an interval between each punch and kick, allowing Obito to release Kamui for a second and not allowing Gai to outlast the five minute weakness that I'm not sure if he would even be capable of attacking for five minutes since I don't think he can stay in Gates that long.

Obito can simply go underground with Kamui [ ], avoiding Gai's attack barrage and then releasing Kamui after that or he can simply pass throught Gai and run away, releasing the Kamui. It's basically impossible for Gai to outlast the five minute weakness.​

Like explained above, Itachi wouldn't be capable of keep throwing kicks and punches at Obito for five minutes constantly since there are obviously gaps between each kick and punch. Obito can either warp away since he was confident enough to be capable of warping away Minato before he could teleport if he starts warping away as soon as he grabs him, and [ ], before it managed to turn Sasuke into dust and lastly, he was capable of warping away . He'd simply warp away or go underground if he wants to escape from Itachi or he can just stand there and keep on using Kamui everytime Itachi's kick or punch comes at him until Itachi realizes that it's pointless. As Konan stated, her bombs are non-stop without any gaps. Itachi's punches and kicks have gaps since he has to swing his limbs and they have to reach Obito. And unlike Konan, he can't take away the ground from Obito.

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However, entering CQC would also help Obito to kill off Itachi since as soon as Itachi enters CQC with him Obito can trick him by letting Itachi slip through him and then quickly . Or he can simply do and kill Itachi as soon as he enters CQC with him. Using Shurikens and Kunais against Obito is ineffective and not only because of Kamui. Obito could stop Zabuza or in this case Suigetsu's Blade . And he has absolutely no trouble of tanking something like Chidori or .

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Moving onto Itachi's Genjutsu. I'll just target the Tsukuyomi itself since it's Itachi's strongest Genjutsu, however it should be rather obvious as to why Obito can break out of Tsukuyomi. First of all, lets see in order to be capable of breaking out of Itachi's Tsukuyomi. A Sharingan and a Kekkei Genkai? Obito has both;

a) Obito is a Sharingan user.
b) Mokuton is Obito's Kekkei Genkai.
c) And lastly, Obito is an Uchiha just like Itachi.

By this we can conclude that Obito can break out of Tsukuyomi. However, for non-believers I shall explain a bit better. Against Obito, Tsukuyomi won't be a problem since even someone like . Obito is much more experienced than both Itachi and Sasuke. Not to mention that at the age of 14, and despite . In the end; Obito even mind wrestled with the Juubi itself and won. Breaking out of Tsukuyomi won't be much of a trouble for him.

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Lets move onto Amaterasu now. Well, should explain everything. Pay attention to the underlined text. Obito has already countered Amaterasu canonically before it could even burn any of his clothes. As soon as Itachi uses Amaterasu, Obito will either see it coming and let it pass through him or he'll counter it by absorbing it with Kamui after it appears on his body.

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The only thing left that Itachi has in his arsenal is the Susano'o which would help him against attacks like Obito's Katon, however, Obito has multiple ways of getting past the Susano'o. If needed, Obito can easily , preventing it from moving around. Then he can kill off Itachi by using his Mokuton which would appear under Itachi's feet and imaple him since he won't be capable of moving out of the way due to being trapped in Uchiha Kaejin and Susano'o won't protect him since it's an attack from underground.

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That's the easiest way, however, if Obito wishes he can simply use Kamui to either without Itachi even knowing that or and then warp him. [ ] And the most last option is to just wait until Itachi overuses his MS and drops dead. On the other hand, all of Susano'os attacks will be stopped by either the Uchiha Kaejin or Obito will pass through them using Kamui.
Side Point; ''Obito was afraid of Itachi.''

This is an argument Itachi fantards bring up all the time in order to try and prove Obito's inferiority to Itachi. They believe that Itachi beats him just because Obito stated . If you actually read the manga, you would know what Obito meant here;

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Obito kept secrets from Itachi so that he doesn't sell him off to Konoha. In no way did he mean that Itachi is superior battle-wise to him when he stated that. He was merely troubled by the fact that Itachi would tell Konoha about him. More so, even Itachi admitted inferiority to Itachi.

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He stated that he needs to gain Sasuke's eyes in order to surpass ''Madara''. And now ask yourself, who is Madara in Itachi's eyes? Obito. Basically he stated that he would need EMS to surpass MS Obito or ''Madara''.
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How does Konoha knowing about Obito change anything? That's an overplayed excuse. Obito confronted the Kage in person and declared war on every nation simultaneously by himself. Itachi telling Konoha about him doesn't change anything.

The databook states Obito kept his Kamui secret from Akatsuki. Itachi with knowledge of Kamui defeats Obito, but without info, Obito wins.
 

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How does Konoha knowing about Obito change anything?

The databook states Obito kept his Kamui secret from Akatsuki. Itachi with knowledge of Kamui defeats Obito, but without info, Obito wins.

Because Itachi knew things about Obito and he clearly wouldn't want the enemy to get information about him. More so, Itachi clearly admitted inferiority to Obito. And Konan knew about his secrets so that isn't the best point. With knowledge on Kamui or not, Obito beats Itachi either way.

I thought all the base knew that by now, mate. Still, kudos for the effort to make this. :)

Trust me.. They don't know.. But thanks anyways.
 

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How does Konoha knowing about Obito change anything? That's an overplayed excuse. Obito confronted the Kage in person and declared war on every nation simultaneously by himself. Itachi telling Konoha about him doesn't change anything.

The databook states Obito kept his Kamui secret from Akatsuki. Itachi with knowledge of Kamui defeats Obito, but without info, Obito wins.

But itachi can figure out how his kamui works tho
 

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Conditions of the Battle.

Itachi is healthy, but does not have his KA Crow. Obito is MS Obito that was in the Akatsuki, but he is not allowed to use Izanagi.

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How does MS Obito overcome healthy MS Itachi in a 1v1 battle?

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Lets start off with Itachi's minor abilities such as his elemental affinites and clones before we go onto his MS abilities. Of course, Itachi's elemental affinities don't possess a threat to Obito, however I'll show you how Obito counters them anyways. As we know, Itachi possess a and affinity. Now how does Obito counter these? The most obvious choice would be Kamui which allows him just to slip through both of these attacks and coming out unaffected. However, there are more ways to counter this than just Kamui. The second one would be Obito's own Katon which is as big as the Juubi itself. Not only would this overpower Itachi's Suiton or Katon, it would also force Itachi to activate Susano'o in order to defend himself.

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The third way would just be quickly with his Kamui. As you can see, Obito was confident enough to state that he could warp Minato before he teleports so teleporting a simple Katon or Suiton quickly won't be a problem. This leaves only Itachi's Crow Summonings and clones, normal Genjutsu and CQC capabilities. His Crows won't be a problem since Obito will be able to still see Itachi's Chakra despite the Crows flooding the battlefield which allows Obito to either;

a) Warp away from the crows.
b) Kill them with Katon.

Meaning that the Crow Summonings aren't any threat at all. Clones themselves won't really be a problem either since it's already been shown that Itachi can create only one clone at a time which Obito will see as soon as Itachi creates it. Tricking Obito with clones and trying to attack him head on with them won't be successful as Obito has already fought and effortlessly destroyed Naruto's own clones.

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Obito isn't someone who is going to get tricked by them and an exploding clone won't work either because much , Obito will see through it and use Kamui to pass through the explosion. Getting rid off the clones with or a punch will do the trick and if needed, Katon can help him wipe them out completely. Itachi's Shuriken jutsu will be countered by Kamui since Obito will simply pass through it leaving Obito only to counter Itachi's CQC capabilities and normal Genjutsu.
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CQC is Itachi's only chance to try and bypass Kamui, however that chance isn't going to become reality. Here is explained how going into CQC with Obito won't help even an expert like Gai to push him to his five minute Kamui limit.



Like explained above, Itachi wouldn't be capable of keep throwing kicks and punches at Obito for five minutes constantly since there are obviously gaps between each kick and punch. Obito can either warp away since he was confident enough to be capable of warping away Minato before he could teleport if he starts warping away as soon as he grabs him, and [ ], before it managed to turn Sasuke into dust and lastly, he was capable of warping away . He'd simply warp away or go underground if he wants to escape from Itachi or he can just stand there and keep on using Kamui everytime Itachi's kick or punch comes at him until Itachi realizes that it's pointless. As Konan stated, her bombs are non-stop without any gaps. Itachi's punches and kicks have gaps since he has to swing his limbs and they have to reach Obito. And unlike Konan, he can't take away the ground from Obito.

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However, entering CQC would also help Obito to kill off Itachi since as soon as Itachi enters CQC with him Obito can trick him by letting Itachi slip through him and then quickly . Or he can simply do and kill Itachi as soon as he enters CQC with him. Using Shurikens and Kunais against Obito is ineffective and not only because of Kamui. Obito could stop Zabuza or in this case Suigetsu's Blade . And he has absolutely no trouble of tanking something like Chidori or .

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Moving onto Itachi's Genjutsu. I'll just target the Tsukuyomi itself since it's Itachi's strongest Genjutsu, however it should be rather obvious as to why Obito can break out of Tsukuyomi. First of all, lets see in order to be capable of breaking out of Itachi's Tsukuyomi. A Sharingan and a Kekkei Genkai? Obito has both;

a) Obito is a Sharingan user.
b) Mokuton is Obito's Kekkei Genkai.
c) And lastly, Obito is an Uchiha just like Itachi.

By this we can conclude that Obito can break out of Tsukuyomi. However, for non-believers I shall explain a bit better. Against Obito, Tsukuyomi won't be a problem since even someone like . Obito is much more experienced than both Itachi and Sasuke. Not to mention that at the age of 14, and despite . In the end; Obito even mind wrestled with the Juubi itself and won. Breaking out of Tsukuyomi won't be much of a trouble for him.

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Lets move onto Amaterasu now. Well, should explain everything. Pay attention to the underlined text. Obito has already countered Amaterasu canonically before it could even burn any of his clothes. As soon as Itachi uses Amaterasu, Obito will either see it coming and let it pass through him or he'll counter it by absorbing it with Kamui after it appears on his body.

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The only thing left that Itachi has in his arsenal is the Susano'o which would help him against attacks like Obito's Katon, however, Obito has multiple ways of getting past the Susano'o. If needed, Obito can easily , preventing it from moving around. Then he can kill off Itachi by using his Mokuton which would appear under Itachi's feet and imaple him since he won't be capable of moving out of the way due to being trapped in Uchiha Kaejin and Susano'o won't protect him since it's an attack from underground.

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That's the easiest way, however, if Obito wishes he can simply use Kamui to either without Itachi even knowing that or and then warp him. [ ] And the most last option is to just wait until Itachi overuses his MS and drops dead. On the other hand, all of Susano'os attacks will be stopped by either the Uchiha Kaejin or Obito will pass through them using Kamui.
Side Point; ''Obito was afraid of Itachi.''

This is an argument Itachi fantards bring up all the time in order to try and prove Obito's inferiority to Itachi. They believe that Itachi beats him just because Obito stated . If you actually read the manga, you would know what Obito meant here;

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Obito kept secrets from Itachi so that he doesn't sell him off to Konoha. In no way did he mean that Itachi is superior battle-wise to him when he stated that. He was merely troubled by the fact that Itachi would tell Konoha about him. More so, even Itachi admitted inferiority to Itachi.

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He stated that he needs to gain Sasuke's eyes in order to surpass ''Madara''. And now ask yourself, who is Madara in Itachi's eyes? Obito. Basically he stated that he would need EMS to surpass MS Obito or ''Madara''.
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The truth is itachi wins..with no help from zetsu obito losses. juubito would win only. itachi overestimated obito thinking he was madara which he basically was obito plus zetsu equals madara.
 

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Really nice.
 

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Because Itachi knew things about Obito and he clearly wouldn't want the enemy to get information about him. More so, Itachi clearly admitted inferiority to Obito. And Konan knew about his secrets so that isn't the best point. With knowledge on Kamui or not, Obito beats Itachi either way.

Bruh if itachi has info on anyone hes gonna beat them:| except for madara and hashi and maybe a few others
 

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Because Itachi knew things about Obito and he clearly wouldn't want the enemy to get information about him. More so, Itachi clearly admitted inferiority to Obito. And Konan knew about his secrets so that isn't the best point. With knowledge on Kamui or not, Obito beats Itachi either way.

The only thing Itachi doesn't know about that actually matters is Kamui, moreover there isn't anything about Obito that would have any sway for Itachi at all.

Akatsuki's gathering Bijuu? The world knows that.
Tobi is Obito? Itachi didn't know that and that wouldn't sway anything.
Obito is reviving the Juubi? He told them himself.

The only way to logically take that scan and the databook entry is by inferring that Obito actually meant

"If Itachi had found out how my Kamui works, I would be dead right now" as there is nothing Itachi could have told Konoha that would have any bearing on their ability to kill him.
 

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I'm just gonna wait for the Itachi fanboys to disagree and make-up scenarios that give Itachi an advantage.
 

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Obito will break Tsukuyomi like a twig, will walk straight through Amaterasu flames, into Susanoo, grasp Itachi's throat and strangle him to death, then steal his eyes for his eye collection, and his ring for whoever replaces him in Akatsuki U_U

In Fire techniques, there is no comparison.
All Itachi's other techniques will not work with the speed of Obito's intangibility--that is, fast enough to react to KM Naruto, Gai and Kakashi without getting hit even once.
 

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Only one member disagrees.
 

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I like le thread. I am afraid my boi 'Rama beats them both. ( =.=)
 

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The only thing Itachi doesn't know about that actually matters is Kamui, moreover there isn't anything about Obito that would have any sway for Itachi at all.

Akatsuki's gathering Bijuu? The world knows that.
Tobi is Obito? Itachi didn't know that and that wouldn't sway anything.
Obito is reviving the Juubi? He told them himself.

The only way to logically take that scan and the databook entry is by inferring that Obito actually meant

"If Itachi had found out how my Kamui works, I would be dead right now."

No. You can cling to that argument, but Itachi admitted inferiority and he has absolutely no counters to Kamui. And if the bold were true then when he stated 'right now' that would mean that he would have died because of Amaterasu at that moment and in which scenario is Amaterasu putting down Obito who has Kamui?

Itachi clearly knew more than the other Akatsuki members and at that time, getting the Konoha knowledge on Obito would mean trouble for Obito as he hasn't finished gathering his Zetsu army most likely.

Obito was not afraid of Itachi.

Bruh if itachi has info on anyone hes gonna beat them:| except for madara and hashi and maybe a few others

Yeah, sure. Unfortunately, this isn't the fanfiction section.

Only one member disagrees.

A majority of members usually disagree that Obito beats Itachi.

I feel like I recognise that title...

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Obito will break Tsukuyomi like a twig, will walk straight through Amaterasu flames, into Susanoo, grasp Itachi's throat and strangle him to death, then steal his eyes for his eye collection, and his ring for whoever replaces him in Akatsuki U_U

In Fire techniques, there is no comparison.
All Itachi's other techniques will not work with the speed of Obito's intangibility--that is, fast enough to react to KM Naruto, Gai and Kakashi without getting hit even once.

I see u think this is a easy win for obito. And also thinks itachi is an idiot and wont figure out kamui.
 

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Common knowledge if we exclude fapboys.
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I give it to obito due to knowledge, people often forget in the manga Obito has full knowledge on Itachi's abilities such as his sussano and etc.
 
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