MS Obito > MS Itachi .
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itachi4real
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Obito controlled Yagura Lol
Yep , a sharingan user wont realize that its a clone huh .
Obito is intelligent ? Not so much, we thought he was, but as the mask broke we saw that he was just carrying Madaras thoughts and plans, and was played for fool.. but I won't deny the fact.. he has his "intelligence" in someway.. he learned to manipulate people the hard way. =D
Also yes, intelligence is not everything, but it is a MAJOR FEAT in a battle.
You mean Kamui can warp a "Spiritual Weapon" that doesn't even have "Physic form"? no.
itachi4real
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obito is not battle smart give me one scan where he thinks up something quick in battle like minato or itachi or tobiramm...and intelligence does matter in battle...plus kamui countering yata and totsuka blade is your opinion
Probably.
That Amaterasu burning point is false, as it was never focused on Sasuke but Itachi merely touched the wing by sweeping his gaze. A clear description would be what happened to frog stomach, Hachibi, Danzo, Nagato, and his summons.
Danzo was reduced to ash before Sasuke could blink:
Nagato, reduced to bones in a second:
The way Amaterasu spawned on Obito and he couldn't react even with Intangibility proves that Amaterasu is in fact slightly faster. It was Izanagi without a shadow of a doubt as his mask fell off before he fell back. He must have initiated it before he engaged in conversation with Sasuke, as his clothes were completely untouched from the points where Amaterasu made contact.
Obito's genjutsu is definitely strong, but by manga logic, Obito cannot break out of Tsukuyomi. Sasuke accomplished so, as he is his direct blood-relative and they share it through birth. Obito doesn't have that luxury. It doesn't matter whose genjutsu is stronger here, but one who gets the short end of the stick here is Obito.
Anyhow, that is what I believe. It could go either way, seriously.
That Amaterasu burning point is false, as it was never focused on Sasuke but Itachi merely touched the wing by sweeping his gaze. A clear description would be what happened to frog stomach, Hachibi, Danzo, Nagato, and his summons.
Danzo was reduced to ash before Sasuke could blink:
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.Nagato, reduced to bones in a second:
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. The only reason he didn't turn to ash is because he had an immortal body which was desperately trying to heal, and it only managed so completely when the flames were knocked off. The way Amaterasu spawned on Obito and he couldn't react even with Intangibility proves that Amaterasu is in fact slightly faster. It was Izanagi without a shadow of a doubt as his mask fell off before he fell back. He must have initiated it before he engaged in conversation with Sasuke, as his clothes were completely untouched from the points where Amaterasu made contact.
Obito's genjutsu is definitely strong, but by manga logic, Obito cannot break out of Tsukuyomi. Sasuke accomplished so, as he is his direct blood-relative and they share it through birth. Obito doesn't have that luxury. It doesn't matter whose genjutsu is stronger here, but one who gets the short end of the stick here is Obito.
Anyhow, that is what I believe. It could go either way, seriously.
sasukekingofuchiha
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ohhhhh but can he counter izanami lmao fail he would be dreaming about rin for the rest of his life gtfoI'm going to explain why Obito > MS Itachi .
I'm gonna start from the three great techs of Mangekyou Sharingan of Itachi .
First one - Tsukuyomi .
Itachi said that no one but Uchihas break the Tsukuyomi .
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We know that Obito is an Uchiha , and Obito can break it . But maybe obito has knowledge on it , and it knows how to counter it in another ways . like Sasuke . Hell , Sasuke was a 3 tomow user , Obito is MS user , I think that Obito would have it pretty easy to break it .
Second one - Amaterasu .
Obito has already a counter to it . He avoided it with Kamui , because it activated form Sasuke once he saw his sharingan , that was done by Itachi himself , but he failed .
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This . Obito can counter it with Kamui. Even if it hits him somehow , Amaterasu takes time to burn you completely at that part that it's burning . Obito can activate Kamui at that part , and can avoud it .
If you're not convinced that Amaterasu takes time to burn , here's another scan .
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Here , it touched Sasuke , but he had the time to do that jutsu to go under the ground . (I don't remember the name) .
Obito has intel on it , unlike Sasuke , who figured it out how to counter it even without an info . My point is that Obito > Amaterasu with out any difficulty .
And then , the third and the final one - Susano'o
Considering how Itachi's stamina is low , he probably can hold it for 4 to 5 mins the max . Obito can be for 5 minutes untouchable , and I think Obito can counter every attack of Susano'o with Kamui . He has full intel on Itachi , Obito is a full knowledged one . He know how to counter it , and even if it's full healthed Itachi , I think Obito would still've managed to win somehow , at high difficulty . But considering how Itachi's stamina is low , I think Obito takes this 40% to 50% difficulty . Yata is not a problem , Obito has intel on it , and he will not attack , he will wait until Susano'o times out .
Then , Katon techs are easily countered by Obito . Obito is far superior to them . We have seen Itachi using only Housenka and Gokakyo , but they're nothing compared to something like this , which is on par with Edo Madara's Katon .
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Again , this is just my opinion . Don't take it seriosly . *_*
Thanks for reading .
Also a possibility : Itachi starts preparing Izanami when the battle starts and just stalls it using his Brains and Susanoo.
Obito does not have knowledge on Izanami, so GG him. ( Do not tell me he does, only Madara and Itachi does. )
Obito actually lacks knowledge in everywhere WHERE he actually needs it.. for example the Juubi story and the Fruit.. the Izanami.. and other things.
Obito does not have knowledge on Izanami, so GG him. ( Do not tell me he does, only Madara and Itachi does. )
Obito actually lacks knowledge in everywhere WHERE he actually needs it.. for example the Juubi story and the Fruit.. the Izanami.. and other things.
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Prince Charles
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I want to say Itachi wins but sadly to my understanding he has no knowledge on kamui, even if that sounds like blashpemy it was never shown that Itachi saw obito use kamui even though I want to say he does have info on kamui considering his been with obito for years and he was his mentor.
Anyways one vile factor people leave out is Obito's knowledge on Itachi's arsenal and sussano and etc.
Zetsu recorded the whole fight and obito watched everything that happened, Going by that obito should have info on his sussano and etc.
Anyways one vile factor people leave out is Obito's knowledge on Itachi's arsenal and sussano and etc.
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Zetsu recorded the whole fight and obito watched everything that happened, Going by that obito should have info on his sussano and etc.
foxyladyland
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ONLY those capable of TSUKUYOMI can break TSUKUYOMI
KAMUI didn't counter AMATERATSU.. it must've been the chakra rods.. example.
FTG symbol is on Obito's skin.. Amateratsu keeps burning .. Kamui/phasing just takes u to another dimension .
Amateratsu would be taken to the other dimension with Obito's body parts.
Itachi can PUSH Amateratsu with force instantly .. like he did with Jiraiya's Toad Stomach.
it exploded on impact.
We've seen (manga) Obito underestimated Itachi and praised him at the same time.
who does that? Oro, Kabuto, Kakashi, Deidara... Itachi beat them all.
Obito was dam near in SHOCK when Sasuke showed Amateratsu.. he couldn't believe it. He panicked for a sec.
Underestimating Itachi results in defeat. :itachi: nice though.
KAMUI didn't counter AMATERATSU.. it must've been the chakra rods.. example.
FTG symbol is on Obito's skin.. Amateratsu keeps burning .. Kamui/phasing just takes u to another dimension .
Amateratsu would be taken to the other dimension with Obito's body parts.
Itachi can PUSH Amateratsu with force instantly .. like he did with Jiraiya's Toad Stomach.
it exploded on impact.
We've seen (manga) Obito underestimated Itachi and praised him at the same time.
who does that? Oro, Kabuto, Kakashi, Deidara... Itachi beat them all.
Obito was dam near in SHOCK when Sasuke showed Amateratsu.. he couldn't believe it. He panicked for a sec.
Underestimating Itachi results in defeat. :itachi: nice though.