[VS] MS Kakashi and Sakura vs Killer Bee and Ay

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Kakashi does not have enough chakra to Kamui 1/3 of Hachibi without Narutos cloak. How is he supposed to Kamui the whole thing. If he tries to use it on Hachibi's head, Hachibi makes a Bijudama and Kakashi wraps the Bijudama instead, exhausting all his chakra in the process.


Kakashi outright stated that he was able to warp the whole hachibi because kurama's cloak made his kamui 3x stronger. He can warp 1/3 on his own.

ot: I don't believe Kakashi will be able to warp Ay once he goes into v2. If he is going to be able to warp the raikage it will be before he enters v2.
 

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Ei dodges Kamui. He has already shown that he can Shunshin out of a Sharingans line of sight, a single Kamui, something that is even slower then Amaterasu, is not hitting him.

Bijū Hachimaki makes craters, going in the ground won't help.

Kakashi does not have enough chakra to Kamui 1/3 of Hachibi without Narutos cloak. How is he supposed to Kamui the whole thing. If he tries to use it on Hachibi's head, Hachibi makes a Bijudama and Kakashi wraps the Bijudama instead, exhausting all his chakra in the process.

The speed feats of war arc kakashi's kamui is much better than the speed feats of ms sasuke's amatrasu
Kamui isn't amatrasu,kakashi can move kamui hole on the enemy's neck till he warps it and that takes a part of part of second considering that warping gedo's whole arm (which is like 10000x neck's size)took less than a second

See my reply to kifflom
Kakashi with 3x his base chakra could warp the hachibi twice ,so do math and you'll know that he can warp 1/3 of hachibi twice by his own chakra
Do you think bee will react and charge biju doma before kakashi warps the hachibi's head while he warped gedo's whole arm which is bigger than hachibi's head in less than a second ?
I don't think so Lol

I remember that obito evaded biju hachimakai by hiding underground

Sakura can even provide kakashi with her byakagu chakra
 
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Kamui speed feats shits on amatrasu's
Kamui isn't amatrasu,kakashi can move kamui hole on the enemy's neck till he warps it and that takes a part of part of second considering that warping gedo's whole arm (which is like 10000x neck's size)took less than a second

Kamui is trumped by Amaterasu in speed. Amaterasu has double the speed of a regular long range Kamui (equal to double Kamui speed). It takes the character to look at the target, concentrate and then release, while all someone has to do with Amaterasu is look at their target.

It clearly took more then a second, considering we clearly see the transition it was making from the Gedo Mazus head to its hand, probably around five seconds, maybe more.

See my reply to kifflom
Kakashi with 3x his base chakra could warp the hachibi twice ,so do math and you'll know that he can warp 1/3 of hachibi twice by his own chakra
Do you think bee will react and charge biju doma before kakashi warps the hachibi's head while he warped gedo's whole arm which is bigger than hachibi's head in less than a second ?
I don't think so Lol

Sakura can even provide kakashi with her bykagu chakra

Yes of course Hachibi will react, Kakashis Kamui was not even steady enough to Kamui the head of the Mazu, it transitioned down to its hand, it will do the same with Hachibi, and he will have time to charge a Bijudama.

5 seconds is enough time to charge a Bijudama.
 

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Kamui is trumped by Amaterasu in speed. Amaterasu has double the speed of a regular long range Kamui (equal to double Kamui speed). It takes the character to look at the target, concentrate and then release, while all someone has to do with Amaterasu is look at their target.

It clearly took more then a second, considering we clearly see the transition it was making from the Gedo Mazus head to its hand, probably around five seconds, maybe more.



Yes of course Hachibi will react, Kakashis Kamui was not even steady enough to Kamui the head of the Mazu, it transitioned down to its hand, it will do the same with Hachibi, and he will have time to charge a Bijudama.

5 seconds is enough time to charge a Bijudama.
All you say is fan fiction ,ms sasuke's amatrasu speed feats is nothing compared to war arc ms kakashi'kamui speed feats

Lol ,do you think the kamui which warped gedo's arm took 5 seconds? ,you must be kidding me
Kakashi started using kamui on the gedo after madara had executed the summoning hand seals and after the gedo was out of obito's body ,he warped the whole arm during the gedo's responding time to madara's summonsing ,Kakashi surly warped it in less than a second ,that even kcm minato couldn't realize what happened and asked kakashi Lol
 

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All you say is fan fiction ,ms sasuke's amatrasu speed feats is nothing compared to war arc ms kakashi'kamui speed feats

Basically, you have no counter but you don't want to admit that Kamui is inferior in speed because......bias.

Lol ,do you think the kamui which warped gedo's arm took 5 seconds? ,you must be kidding me
Kakashi started using kamui on the gedo after madara had executed the summoning hand seals and after the gedo was out of obito's body ,he warped the whole arm during the gedo's responding time to madara's summonsing ,Kakashi surly warped it in less than a second ,that even kcm minato couldn't realize what happened and asked kakashi Lol

The 'responding' time was at least 5 seconds. Minato was able to say an entire phrase and Kakashi responded. Then we see how Kakashis Kamui transitions from the Mazus head down to its arm, kinda like how it was with Deidara.
 

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Ay distracts Kakashi with B's ink clones. B finishes Sakura and prepares to nuke Kakashi.
 

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Ei dodges Kamui. He has already shown that he can Shunshin out of a Sharingans line of sight, a single Kamui, something that is even slower then Amaterasu, is not hitting him.

Bijū Hachimaki makes craters, going in the ground won't help.

Kakashi does not have enough chakra to Kamui 1/3 of Hachibi without Narutos cloak. How is he supposed to Kamui the whole thing. If he tries to use it on Hachibi's head, Hachibi makes a Bijudama and Kakashi wraps the Bijudama instead, exhausting all his chakra in the process.

Amaterasu faster than Kakashi's one MS Kamui? LOOOOOOOOOOL this is the worst fanfiction I've ever read. Kamui could warp head sized objects in the same window of time of Obito's intangibility and of a movement of 5 cm from KCM Naruto, human sized masses so fast that people with full knowledge and top notch reflexes boosted by Mangekyo Sharingan and Rinnegan vision couldn't perceive the warping happening in front of their eyes (namely Obito ofc), giant sized masses even faster than the instant summon of the Summoning Jutsu, two point blank no knowledge Susanoo arrows. Amaterasu was partially dodged by Sasuke, dodged by Ei, preempted by Nagato, and it's slower than Bee throwing a sword. Come on.

Kakashi can warp himself in the other dimension.

He warped the Gedo Mazo's arm in an instant while it was being summoned away with S/T jutsu. He would warp the Hachibi's head.
 

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Amaterasu faster than Kakashi's one MS Kamui? LOOOOOOOOOOL this is the worst fanfiction I've ever read. Kamui could warp head sized objects in the same window of time of Obito's intangibility and of a movement of 5 cm from KCM Naruto, human sized masses so fast that people with full knowledge and top notch reflexes boosted by Mangekyo Sharingan and Rinnegan vision couldn't perceive the warping happening in front of their eyes (namely Obito ofc),

What are you talking about? This paragraph is the definition of fanfic. Provide proof for every single point.

giant sized masses even faster than the instant summon of the Summoning Jutsu, two point blank no knowledge Susanoo arrows. Amaterasu was partially dodged by Sasuke, dodged by Ei, preempted by Nagato, and it's slower than Bee throwing a sword. Come on.

This is where you start to make sense, but unfortunately for you, its all false. Gedo Mazu was no instant as you claim it was. Warping away point blank range Susanoo arrows is not difficult, because he does not need to concentrate on the arrows like he would normally have to, he simply activates Kamui and releases. Amaterasu got Sasuke, and that was Itachis Amaterasu, he's much worse with it then Sasuke. Ei in V2 would dodge Kamui easier then he dodged Amaterasu so.......Nagato couldn't dodge Amaterasu from Itachi, let alone Sasuke. Slower then Bee throwing a sword? LOL no, Itachi simply hesitated to release it because Koto was activating.

He warped the Gedo Mazo's arm in an instant while it was being summoned away with S/T jutsu. He would warp the Hachibi's head.

The Gedo Mazu was not being summoned instantly, there was where many seconds of delay.
 

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people want to take feats of kamui used in support of group fights or high tiers, usually from a distance rather than look at the bvious example of Ei dodging amaterasu in 1 on 1.

kakashi is on an island, where sakura cant support him. she has no ninjutsu.
So he can try to kamui at 1 meter distance and he'll get countered by a shunshin & struck dead w/o a susanoo

Ei solos
 

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people want to take feats of kamui used in support of group fights or high tiers, usually from a distance rather than look at the bvious example of Ei dodging amaterasu in 1 on 1.

kakashi is on an island, where sakura cant support him. she has no ninjutsu.
So he can try to kamui at 1 meter distance and he'll get countered by a shunshin & struck dead w/o a susanoo

Ei solos

Kamui has good feats, i think kakashi will hit ay with kamui right to begin, team 1 has full intel and they would be aware of v2 and bijou mode of bee.
Team 2 has no intel means, they don't know even who they are fighting, thats an big advantage for team 1.
Sakura first would summon katsuyu and she will right after that power kakashi with byakogu, Sakura has ninjutsu =D

ofc bee and ay won't just stand there, but they have no intel and sakura and kakashi don't look strong by the first view, so team2 won't be using v2 and full bijou mode right to begin.

ay would be kamuied before he is able to go v2, he wouldn't expect that a one eyed man with a mask has the MS hid behind his headband.
after ay is kamuied, bee would go rampage with full bijou mode, an easy target, hachibis head will be kamuied directly after bee has transformed.
 

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i think kakashi and sakura actually might take it... with sakura's chakra, kakashi can become pretty powerful and sakura is not easy to get rid off either...
 

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You didn't reply to exhausted kakashi's reacting to jin madara from blind point
Kamui isnt amatrasu,kakashi can move kamui hole on the enemy's neck till he warps it and that takes a part of part of second considering that warping gedo's whole arm (which is like 10000x neck's size)took less than a second
No because kakashi didnt even know where madara was, and the moment he turned, his eye got taken, its clearly not helping ur case, since madara still wasnt using his shunshin there,

Kamui iisnnt amaterasu, however they are both executed on the users LoS, and if kakashi cant decipher V2 A's speed, then kamui is getting countered, s
and the warping gedo feat, is also irrelevant since the gedo is just a sitting duck, for Kamui, A on the other hand isnt

You overlook kakashi's feats to warp bm naruto's clone ,the impressive thing about it that exhausted kakashi warped the whole clone faster than obito with sharingan can notice and before obito's stick hits the clone though it was just 1cm between them and both the clone and the stick was going towards each other
Yeah warping the BM clone that again wasnt even using anywhere near his top speed or his shunshin, this whole thing again doesnt help ur claim,
not to mention that you need to provide scans to back up claims such as this one

Also you overlook kakashi's feat to warp senpo rasengan which was kicked by jin madara ,so it acquired some of his speed
Also kakashi's warping it the moment it touched him is impressive considering that he was thrown in air however he turned his head down to warp it in the last moment
The rasengans speed is no where near as fast as V2 A's
and kakashi being mid air also doesnt matter since kamui is still just based on his LoS, and the warps speed is still unfazed by him being mid air,
so again this doesnt help you here


Karin's saying that putting the amatrasu armor protects sasuke even if he lost ay ,doesn't mean ms kakashi can't follow ay with his sharingan while minato could
Yeah, NO!
sasuke had the susanoo up, which was the shield, enton was just the coating on the susanoo,
as , Kakashi here lacks the susanoo to protect himself from A's attacks, as well as the fact that his sharingan cant keep track of A's speed, just how sasukes wasnt,

Minatos reflexes and reaction feats are welll above kakashis, which is why ur point is moot


Also sharingan's skills(copying,ginjutsu,..etc) go up and down according to the user ,ems sasuke was able to follow even jin obito
Kakashi is never percieiving V2 Ays speed just how sasuke couldnt,
on top of the fact that Kakashis sharingan cannot copy V2 A's speed, since kakashi lacks the physical abilities to use A's speed, and the Lol EMS Sasuke =/= Kakashi, so ur point is again invalid here, not to mention that kakashi doesnt even have the EMS, so Lol
Genjutsu is also moot when kakashi would be unable to keep track of A's speed, therefore eye contact is not happening
 
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Not even a close match-up, Team 1 get's blitzed.
 

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No because kakashi didnt even know where madara was, and the moment he turned, his eye got taken, its clearly not helping ur case, since madara still wasnt using his shunshin there,

Kamui iisnnt amaterasu, however they are both executed on the users LoS, and if kakashi cant decipher V2 A's speed, then kamui is getting countered, s
and the warping gedo feat, is also irrelevant since the gedo is just a sitting duck, for Kamui, A on the other hand isnt


Yeah warping the BM clone that again wasnt even using anywhere near his top speed or his shunshin, this whole thing again doesnt help ur claim,
not to mention that you need to provide scans to back up claims such as this one


The rasengans speed is no where near as fast as V2 A's
and kakashi being mid air also doesnt matter since kamui is still just based on his LoS, and the warps speed is still unfazed by him being mid air,
so again this doesnt help you here



Yeah, NO!
sasuke had the susanoo up, which was the shield, enton was just the coating on the susanoo,
as , Kakashi here lacks the susanoo to protect himself from A's attacks, as well as the fact that his sharingan cant keep track of A's speed, just how sasukes wasnt,

Minatos reflexes and reaction feats are welll above kakashis, which is why ur point is moot



Kakashi is never percieiving V2 Ays speed just how sasuke couldnt,
on top of the fact that Kakashis sharingan cannot copy V2 A's speed, since kakashi lacks the physical abilities to use A's speed, and the Lol EMS Sasuke =/= Kakashi, so ur point is again invalid here, not to mention that kakashi doesnt even have the EMS, so Lol
Genjutsu is also moot when kakashi would be unable to keep track of A's speed, therefore eye contact is not happening

all you say is fanfiction

exhausted kakashi who was out of chakra reacted to jin madara from blind point and you say jin madara wasnt using his shunshen though he himself said that he needs the rinningan as fast as possible Lol,ok then kakashi wasnt using his best reaction Lol there is nothing easier than talking

kakashi’s reaction is equal to kcm minato ,manga fact ,i’ll show you the scan soon

kakashi warped a fast object(bm naruto clone ,using his top speed or not) faster than a sharingan user like obito can see the warping infront of his eye

yes,the gedo wasnt moving but that doesnt change the fact that warping its arm which is like 10000x neck’s size took less than a second ,if he had been moving ,his arm would have been warped at the same time since kakashi can move kamui hole on its arm ,it will be unmoving object to kamui’s hole
if warping gedo’s arm takes less than a second then warping human’s neck will take a part of a part of second,if kakashi follows him for a part of a part of second,his neck will get warped

you should prove that ay can react to that ,while he couldnt react to minato’s ftg but for bee

yes kamuing neck is faster than ftg followed by rasengan using striking speed
kamui’s hole appears instantly on the target the same as ftg teleportation but warping neck speed is much faster than minato’s striking speed considering that warping gedo’s arm took less than a second that even kcm minato couldnt realize what happened and asked kakashiLol

exhausted kakashi was able to warp madara’s gudomas nearly instantly before 8th gate gai move more than some cms ,but you know what gai wasnt using his full speed and kakadhi wasnt too Lol

i’ll provide the scans later as i am on my phone but i am sure that you know where kakashi’s reaction was equal to kcm minato’s reaction,
you know what !!? ,minato wasnt using his best reactions Lol
 
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Team 2 med difficulty. The only question is can Kakashi Kamui snipe both of them or not. Either way Ay can keep Kakashi busy and Bee can handle Sakura.
 

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The Kamui wank in this thread sure is strong.

Ay and Bee win this with mid difficulty.

If Ay and Bee use their V2 cloak, using kamui becomes difficult due to their speed and the fact a lot of debris and smoke will be sent flying on the battlefield. If Sakura decides to transfer her Byakogou chakra to Kakashi, she has to be in contact with him which leaves them easy pickings for a double lariat. If Sakura decides to summon Katsuyu instead, she either gets blitzed or ends up reacting but fails to summon Katsuyu. If she does manage to summon Katsuyu, it would mean Ay and Bee are busy fighting Kakashi so he dies pretty easily which means Sakura and Katsuyu VS Ay and Bee which should be an obvious low difficulty win for the Ay and Bee duo.
 
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The Kamui wank in this thread sure is strong.

Ay and Bee win this with mid difficulty.

If Ay and Bee use their V2 cloak, using kamui becomes difficult due to their speed and the fact a lot of debris and smoke will be sent flying on the battlefield. If Sakura decides to transfer her Byakogou chakra to Kakashi, she has to be in contact with him which leaves them easy pickings for a double lariat. If Sakura decides to summon Katsuyu instead, she either gets blitzed or ends up reacting but fails to summon Katsuyu. If she does manage to summon Katsuyu, it would mean Ay and Bee are busy fighting Kakashi so he dies pretty easily which means Sakura and Katsuyu VS Ay and Bee which should be an obvious low difficulty win for the Ay and Bee duo.

there is no kamui wank here
people say sharingan cant follow ay just because karin said( if )
also kakashi already used kamui faster than some with sharingan like obito can see
 

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there is no kamui wank here
people say sharingan cant follow ay just because karin said( if )
also kakashi already used kamui faster than some with sharingan like obito can see

Give it up
they won't agree with you, kamui is a hated jutsu, due to the fact it is unmatched,
your argument with obito hadn't seen the warp even though it was right before his eyes ( Sharingan user ) is the best feat of kakashis Kamui and defentiv a threat to even V2 Ay, but they won't hear you.

Due to full intel is given to team 1 sakura will right to begin power kakashi up and he will start Kamuing the shit out of Team 2
 
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