MS Itachi vs MS Madara

[Brother Numpsay]

Every Marvel movie is, most especially if they're owned by Disney.

Not really lol. Captain America 1 and Iron Man 3 was not good, imo

 

[Phonas]

Not really lol. Captain America 1 and Iron Man 3 was not good, imo

How could you speak such blashphemy!? Although Captain America 1 was a tad bit boring, Captain America 2 redeemed the former's storyline and plot, to the point where it would lead someone (like me) into voraciously feeling the need to read every single comic book issue published. Kind of like the impression the audience were given from the slow progression of the first season of One Piece.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

How could you speak such blashphemy!? Although Captain America 1 was a tad bit boring, Captain America 2 redeemed the former's storyline and plot, to the point where it would lead someone (like me) into voraciously feeling the need to read every single comic book issue published. Kind of like the impression the audience were given from the slow progression of the first season of One Piece.

Very well said. Couldn't agree more.

Then theres Iron man 3 lol

 

[Haizaki]

Iron man 3 is a bit overrated. TMNT on the 8th of this month

OT: Could go either way.

 

[Phonas]

Very well said. Couldn't agree more.

Then theres Iron man 3 lol

Thanks. To be quite frank, I didn't see Iron Man 3, but I certainly will later this month: It's a must since the film is in connection with the forthcoming Avengers 2. The aforementioned movie grossed over a billion dollars in the box office, so I'm pretty sure I'll thoroughly enjoy that Marvel flick, considering that I highly revere every single billion dollar movie to date.

The previews are starting. I'll be back. Au revoir!

 

[TRE MERCER]

Not really lol. Captain America 1 and Iron Man 3 was not good, imo

How could you speak such blashphemy!? Although Captain America 1 was a tad bit boring, Captain America 2 redeemed the former's storyline and plot, to the point where it would lead someone (like me) into voraciously feeling the need to read every single comic book issue published. Kind of like the impression the audience were given from the slow progression of the first season of One Piece.

Very well said. Couldn't agree more.

Then theres Iron man 3 lol

Iron man 3 is a bit overrated. TMNT on the 8th of this month

OT: Could go either way.

Thanks. To be quite frank, I didn't see Iron Man 3, but I certainly will later this month: It's a must since the film is in connection with the forthcoming Avengers 2. The aforementioned movie grossed over a billion dollars in the box office, so I'm pretty sure I'll thoroughly enjoy that Marvel flick, considering that I highly revere every single billion dollar movie to date.

The previews are starting. I'll be back. Au revoir!

Completely off topic.

 

[KidGamer65]

Show me either a manga scan that proves that
OR
Tell me 5 feats that prove that KCM Naruto would beat Itachi.

Itachi's Susano'o > Madara's Susano'o

Go look at the same post I made in KCM Naruto vs MS Madara thread. Everything applies. Itachi's Susanoo isn't taking COFRS and living, nor is it taking multiple FRS.

Even if you bring that Yata hyperbole nonsense here, Naruto simply evades all his attacks till Susanoo drops to a level where he can't use the Mirror, then Naruto finishes it with a flash Shunshin Rasen Shuriken to the back of his Susanoo. GG Itachi.

Imma just focus on the evidence itself.

1. I pretty much post it against Shikimaru[

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2. Soul Dragon from Gezo[

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], hitting the ground (physical) but also had the ability to bypass human flesh (also physical) and continue, while eating their soul/life/chakra[

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3. Dan[

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] who needed barrier ninjutsu to counter spirit techniques.

When were those ever stated to be ethereal or spiritual?

-The Doki's beasts were stated to be literal spirits, Totsuka wasn't. Just a spiritual weapon, not a literal spirit.

-The Soul Dragon isn't the same as Totsuka, so it being able to do that doesn't mean Totsuka can do that, especially when taking souls is its ability.

-Dan literally releases his soul, his spirit. Same as the Doki's creatures.

None of this proves that Totsuka can phase through Susanoo and hit Madara.

 

[TRE MERCER]

KCM Naruto would wreck Itachi even worse than he would wreck Madara.

Actually MS Itachi beats KM Naruto.

 

[ChocolateVanilla]

Actually MS Itachi beats KM Naruto.

Itachi can't survive a Chou Odama Rasenshuriken from the front and back.

 

[KidGamer65]

Actually MS Itachi beats KM Naruto.

Lol. How? KCM Naruto would shit on him, badly.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Itachi can't survive a Chou Odama Rasenshuriken from the front and back.

The moment he makes Rasenshuriken it gets ignited by Amaterasu.

Lol. How? KCM Naruto would shit on him, badly.

Genjutsu and Amaterasu.

 

[KidGamer65]

Genjutsu and Amaterasu.

Genjutsu that will never land since Naruto can make clones that Itachi can't distinguish from the original? Genjutsu that will never land due to his speed, that Itachi can't trace with Sharingan?

Amaterasu? The same Amaterasu Naruto can easily dodge since he's faster than the guy who did it in canon?

Naruto makes a clone, and they evade Itachi's attacks and each slam an FRS or a Bijuu Rasengan into the back of his Susanoo with Flash Shunshin. GG Itachi.

 

[lanakui8]

considering a bloodlusted EMS Madara decided to use V3 susanoo against Hashirama at the start of the fight while EMS Sasuke pulls out a V4 with enton arsenal to just beat up a couple of white zetsus, I think MS Madara was more likely not above MS Itachi at least when it came to their susanoo arsenal.

 

[Conspirator.]

MS madara beats Itachi with no more than mid diff. Itachi's only chance is amaterasu, but Susanoo should make that a non factor. Madara also has gigantic katons that will force Itachi to abuse his susanoo/amaterasu, and that leads to him getting outlasted.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

When were those ever stated to be ethereal or spiritual?

I post the scans... Doki = Shikimaru's statement. Soul Dragon = ability to steal souls which = ethereal/spiritual priorities. Dan = Spiritual.

-The Doki's beasts were stated to be literal spirits, Totsuka wasn't. Just a spiritual weapon, not a literal spirit.

No they weren't.. I post the scan of Shikimaru explaining it[

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-The Soul Dragon isn't the same as Totsuka, so it being able to do that doesn't mean Totsuka can do that, especially when taking souls is its ability.

The Soul dragon is as much the same as Totsuka because both have the ability to bind and seal the soul via Edo Nagato. Totsuka is made out of spirit looking Sake while Soul Dragon looks like a spirit dragon. So it logically carries the same priorities by manga statements and feats.

-Dan literally releases his soul, his spirit. Same as the Doki's creatures.

Actually these two are ninjutsu. And are classify as spirit and ethereal. which has the priorities of it though. To which I was getting at.

None of this proves that Totsuka can phase through Susanoo and hit Madara.

What it was suppose to prove that these example shows what ethereal and spiritual techniques are capable of, to which the manga and databook states Totsuka shares of priorities. So we can logically conclude to do the same as other priorities in Naruto-verse

 

[Edward]

I think MS itatchi would win, madara relies too much on EMS so he's not as used to a limited EMS usage from MS

 

[XY iNVeRSe]

I think MS itatchi would win, madara relies too much on EMS so he's not as used to a limited EMS usage from MS

Worst post.... What do you think madara used before ems?

 

[Phonas]

I'm back. OMG! Guardians of the Galaxy is phenomenally groundbreaking beyond compare. I wasn't expecting the movie to be that superb. I'm definitely watching it again in the very near future.

@Topic: Please bear with me. Okay, in its stationary state, the Totsuka Blade, at least the ethereal liquid from the jar, is NOT physical, and is in fact "intangible." Both the manga and the databook go on to assert this with adjectival statements such as "no physical form" and "ethereal" or even "spiritual."

Now let's closely examine the denotations of these terms along with their synonymical connotations:

In this scan, notice how the databook claims that both the Totsuka and the Yata Mirror have "no physical form" and fail to utilize the term "true" to make the phrase "no true form."

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In the manga, Zetsu said that only the Totsuka had "no TRUE physical form," which is what KidGamer65 was referring to as "no set physical form," an insinuation that it can change its size in appropriate accordance to the wielder. For instance, if Madara picked up the Totsuka with his PS, the sword would be way bigger than what we've seen it to be. Or, if a normal shinobi were to wield the blade, it would proportionally match the user: Of course that all depends on the person and how far he/she wants to elongate the blade, since both the blade and the wielder are telekinetically connected (more on this later). To substantiate my point, Orochimaru knew full well of the characteristics of the Totsuka and he still went about searching for the blade without harboring Susanoo, which means that if he had triumphantly found the sword, he would be able to equip it to himself and it would be the size of an average sword, assuming he wants it to be kept that way unless he chooses to extend it longer like he does with his Sword of Kusanagi.

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However, notice how Zetsu never proclaimed that the Yata Mirror has "no TRUE physical form." The databook, on the other hand, states that both the Totsuka and the Yata have "no physical form" as displayed above, with no reappearance of the word "TRUE" anywhere, and instead claims that the Yata is "WITHOUT a physical form."

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My point is both the phrases "NO physical form" and "no TRUE physical form" are two completely different concepts. Both of which are attributed to the Totsuka Blade. "NO physical form" suggests intangibility and supersensible entities such as spirits, ghosts, and Shinigamis. This also goes hand in hand with the usage of the word "ethereal" to depict both spiritual weapons:

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Now, you may be wondering "but the Totsuka physically made contact with Oro's snakes, Oro himself, and Nagato." The Totsuka is also a magical weapon, as stated by Zetsu and the databook. Because of its magical nature, the Totsuka can supernaturally change from non-phyical to physical when attacking/piercing. It has already been shown and stated that the Totsuka possesses the competence to change its characteristics such as size/shape, as is also the case for its accompanied Yata Mirror. Or, and I strongly believe this, even while it's attacking it can still magically be intangible while still exhibiting physical properties (if that makes any sense). For example, think of Ryuki, the Shinigami from Death Note. He's intangible/spiritual/ethereal etc. Like a ghost, he can phase through people and objects, yet he has this supernatural ability to physically touch the Death Note, carry it around, throw it, etc. If he could do that, does that mean he's actually physical? Does that also mean that while he's holding the Death Note, other people can now physically touch him? I don't think so. All of this are the works of magic, which is a notion that defies traditional laws of science and logic:

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Another thing to consider, the Yata Mirror has been stated that it can deflect astral bodies, which implies that it has the ability to come in contact with ghastly spirits and such, since that's basically what the term "astal body" denotes. For instance, the mental energy/spirit that's exerted from the Yamanaka's Mind Transfer Jutsu is an astral body, and if it came in contact with the Yata, the spirit would be deflected away since the ethereal shield doesn't allow those kinds of entities to pass through. The way the Yata does this is by changing its properties to the properties of what comes in contact with it, and in this exampled case, it would change into the priorly mentioned spiritual state (or just stay as it is since it's already a spirit in that stationary state). Basically, it mirrors the attributes of the Yamanaka's spirit, hence the word mirror, in Yata "Mirror." What I'm saying is because the Yata can come in touch with intangibility, it itself can also be intangible, and that would also go for its counter part, the Totsuka. Both are spirits.

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Furthermore, the reason why Itachi's Susanoo can hold the Totsuka and Yata while they're still not physical is either because the users of the weapons become exceptions to that, or, like I mentioned before, it's just a magical thing that just works that way.

In essence, the Totsuka could phase through Madara's Susanoo. Just as a ghost could phase through it. Just as a Shinigami would phase right through it. Just as the Yamanaka's Mind Transfer spirit body would phase right through it.

Off Topic: Through magical telekinesis, Itachi can bring out the liquid from the Totsuka gourd at will and sheath it right back in. It appears that touching/grasping the gourd grants him that ability.

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[Draegod]

I'm back. OMG! Guardians of the Galaxy is phenomenally groundbreaking beyond compare. I wasn't expecting the movie to be that superb. I'm definitely watching it again in the very near future.

@Topic: Please bear with me. Okay, in its stationary state, the Totsuka Blade, at least the ethereal liquid from the jar, is NOT physical, and is in fact "intangible." Both the manga and the databook go on to assert this with adjectival statements such as "no physical form" and "ethereal" or even "spiritual."

Now let's closely examine the denotations of these terms along with their synonymical connotations:

In this scan, notice how the databook claims that both the Totsuka and the Yata Mirror have "no physical form" and fail to utilize the term "true" to make the phrase "no true form."

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In the manga, Zetsu said that only the Totsuka had "no TRUE physical form," which is what KidGamer65 was referring to as "no set physical form," an insinuation that it can change its size in appropriate accordance to the wielder. For instance, if Madara picked up the Totsuka with his PS, the sword would be way bigger than what we've seen it to be. Or, if a normal shinobi were to wield the blade, it would proportionally match the user: Of course that all depends on the person and how far he/she wants to elongate the blade, since both the blade and the wielder are telekinetically connected (more on this later). To substantiate my point, Orochimaru knew full well of the characteristics of the Totsuka and he still went about searching for the blade without harboring Susanoo, which means that if he had triumphantly found the sword, he would be able to equip it to himself and it would be the size of an average sword, assuming he wants it to be kept that way unless he chooses to extend it longer like he does with his Sword of Kusanagi.

However, notice how Zetsu never proclaimed that the Yata Mirror has "no TRUE physical form." The databook, on the other hand, states that both the Totsuka and the Yata have "no physical form" as displayed above, with no reappearance of the word "TRUE" anywhere, and instead claims that the Yata is "WITHOUT a physical form."

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My point is both the phrases "NO physical form" and "no TRUE physical form" are two completely different concepts. Both of which are attributed to the Totsuka Blade. "NO physical form" suggests intangibility and supersensible entities such as spirits, ghosts, and Shinigamis. This also goes hand in hand with the usage of the word "ethereal" to depict both spiritual weapons:

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Now, you may be wondering "but the Totsuka physically made contact with Oro's snakes, Oro himself, and Nagato." The Totsuka is also a magical weapon, as stated by Zetsu and the databook. Because of its magical nature, the Totsuka can supernaturally change from non-phyical to physical when attacking/piercing. It has already been shown and stated that the Totsuka possesses the competence to change its characteristics such as size/shape, as is also the case for its accompanied Yata Mirror. Or, and I strongly believe this, even while it's attacking it can still magically be intangible while still exhibiting physical properties (if that makes any sense). For example, think of Ryuki, the Shinigami from Death Note. He's intangible/spiritual/ethereal etc. Like a ghost, he can phase through people and objects, yet he has this supernatural ability to physically touch the Death Note, carry it around, throw it, etc. If he could do that, does that mean he's actually physical? Does that also mean that while he's holding the Death Note, other people can now physically touch him? I don't think so. All of this are the works of magic, which is a notion that defies traditional laws of science and logic:

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Another thing to consider, the Yata Mirror has been stated that it can deflect astral bodies, which implies that it has the ability to come in contact with ghastly spirits and such, since that's basically what the term "astal body" denotes. For instance, the mental energy/spirit that's exerted from the Yamanaka's Mind Transfer Jutsu is an astral body, and if it came in contact with the Yata, the spirit would be deflected away since the ethereal shield doesn't allow those kinds of entities to pass through. The way the Yata does this is by changing its properties to the properties of what comes in contact with it, and in this exampled case, it would change into the priorly mentioned spiritual state (or just stay as it is since it's already a spirit in that stationary state). Basically, it mirrors the attributes of the Yamanaka's spirit, hence the word mirror, in Yata "Mirror." What I'm saying is because the Yata can come in touch with intangibility, it itself can also be intangible, and that would also go for its counter part, the Totsuka. Both are spirits.

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Furthermore, the reason why Itachi's Susanoo can hold the Totsuka and Yata while they're still not physical is either because the users of the weapons become exceptions to that, or, like I mentioned before, it's just a magical thing that just works that way.

In essence, the Totsuka could phase through Madara's Susanoo. Just as a ghost could phase through it. Just as a Shinigami would phase right through it. Just as the Yamanaka's Mind Transfer spirit body would phase right through it.

Off Topic: Through magical telekinesis, Itachi can bring out the liquid from the Totsuka gourd at will and sheath it right back in. It appears that touching/grasping the gourd grants him that ability.

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With all of that there is still the fact it physically had to pierce Both Nagato and Oru. So untill it shows it can phase through and seal, it is fanmade opinions that it can. With that logic what stops Itachi from sealing the Earth? Or Sealing PS and Hashirama's Buhda? Or Juubito and Rikudo Madara Truth seeking balls? What "Itachi fans" try to do is make something out of literally nothing. It's fact it has to physically pierce and breach in order for it to seal until manga shows or states it doesn't.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

With all of that there is still the fact it physically had to pierce Both Nagato and Oru. So untill it shows it can phase through and seal, it is fanmade opinions that it can. With that logic what stops Itachi from sealing the Earth? Or Sealing PS and Hashirama's Buhda? Or Juubito and Rikudo Madara Truth seeking balls? What "Itachi fans" try to do is make something out of literally nothing. It's fact it has to physically pierce and breach in order for it to seal until manga shows or states it doesn't.

Everything in Naruto needs physical feats in order to hit the physical, which is why anything isn't pure physical and pure spiritual, in manga terms. Which is why the term "no TRUE from" supports the argument that it can physical hit someone while still having the prioritizes as a spirit. The only thing that is an exaggerations I see here is the ability to seal anything. When obviously the manga only shown to seal only life, since only life can be under genjutsu to begin with. It is perfectly reasonable to show, to what the manga and databook explained, that by observing OTHER jutsu that has similar priorities, we can conclude it can do as much. And yes, all of the example I showed that share the same priorities of spirit has the ability to hit and kill life while they are untouchable in this form. Which is why I brought up Dan, Mazo: Soul Dragon, and Tayuya Ethereal worms to support my claim.

And on top of the fact that this spirit sword cuts at the same time, proves as much as working the ability to cut like Kusnagi while having no real physical form continue its path in its hitbox