MS is stronger than SM

[Tantalus Thief]

EMS Sasuke > SM Hashirama > EMS Madara

Inferno Style > Wood Style

Please tell me you are kidding. SS would pound Sasuke to dust.
OP: I'd give peak MS Sasuke superiority to SM Naruto(but i can see a strong argument for Naruto) but if SM Naruto outlasts Sasuke is done for. Considering Sasuke is going to need to spam MS techs that can be a possibility.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

MS Sasuke was as good as blind Sasuke...XD

 

[Jokule67]

Diversion really? Sorry but Sasuke was, is and always will be smarter than Naruto.

Susanoo arrows not even covered with amaterasu tied with truth seekings orbs

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Besides, that's the scan from war arc. Pain arc Naruto couldn't make bigger rasenshurikens, so if you want to compare war arc Naruto, then compare it to war arc Sasuke which is EMS Sasuke.



Then I wonder how did Itachi survive kirin?

I already said Sasuke had the edge over Pain arc SM. I am comparing his improved unlimited ma & pa SM and all its abilities with MS Sasuke, not EMS

And Susano'o arrows are not beating a giant rasenshuriken.

 

[WalksInShadows]

that has actually been confirmed by multiple reputable translators to be a bad translation. Naruto was actually making a remark that he felt a presence inside Sasuke in that scene, not stating himself to be inferior.

 

[SeveN797]

I already said Sasuke had the edge over Pain arc SM.

Good, because that's the only time when a fight between SM Naruto and MS Sasuke could happen.

I already said Sasuke had the edge over Pain arc SM. I am comparing his improved unlimited ma & pa SM and all its abilities with MS Sasuke, not EMS

And Susano'o arrows are not beating a giant rasenshuriken.

Exactly, you're comparing war arc Naruto and his giant RS feats to MS Sasuke which doesn't make any sense, because that fight wouldn't have happened. At the time Naruto mastered SM, Sasuke already had EMS. Using feats of Naruto's character from next arc and comparing him to Sasuke from previous arc is simply desperation. It's like I wanted to compare Rinnegan Sasuke from Kaguya arc to BM/BSM Naruto from Juubi arc.

 

[Jokule67]

Good, because that's the only time when a fight between SM Naruto and MS Sasuke could happen.



Exactly, you're comparing war arc Naruto and his giant RS feats to MS Sasuke which doesn't make any sense, because that fight wouldn't have happened. At the time Naruto mastered SM, Sasuke already had EMS. Using feats of Naruto's character from next arc and comparing him to Sasuke from previous arc is simply desperation. It's like I wanted to compare Rinnegan Sasuke from Kaguya arc to BM/BSM Naruto from Juubi arc.

It doesnt make sense to you but the thread is comparing Sage Mode to Mangekyou.

I am comparing both at their full potentials, not when they both are babies in their techniques. If it dont make sense to you then thats your own issue

 

[Jokule67]

that has actually been confirmed by multiple reputable translators to be a bad translation. Naruto was actually making a remark that he felt a presence inside Sasuke in that scene, not stating himself to be inferior.

^^^^^^^^yep thats when he first felt indra

 

[SeveN797]

It doesnt make sense to you but the thread is comparing Sage Mode to Mangekyou.

I am comparing both at their full potentials, not when they both are babies in their techniques. If it dont make sense to you then thats your own issue

No, you comparing Naruto from war arc when he had full control over Kurama and could mix his SM with BM to MS Sasuke. Thread is about SM Naruto vs MS Sasuke, read the OP. If SM Naruto tried to fight MS Sasuke in manga, he would die. Full potential SM came a bit too late, because Sasuke didn't have MS any longer, so you can't make
comparisons like that, which doesn't have any sense, unless you're making a VS thread.


I think you have forgot that we're in ND section. It would be okay if you posted this in VS section, where you can set up your own conditions, because full potential SM vs MS simply isn't happening in manga. Sadly you're comparing Naruto's version from one of the last arcs to Sasuke in one of middle arcs, which simply isn't fair. Well, although it's not your fault, that full potential SM came so late, it is still not a fair compare.

 

[enditallsin]

SM is far stronger MS. For the simple reasons such as...

1. A SM user already overwhelmed a MS and a EMS user.

2. In the war if not for SM (or senjutsu in general) even a MS user wouldn't have had any chance at hurting a ten-tails jin. After all why else would a senjutsu sasanoo needed to have been made?