MS is stronger than SM

[SeveN797]

Rasenshuriken of great proportion.

Susanoo arrows counters

Yeah He doesnt he has Toad summonings for that along with a collosal Rasenshuriken that I'm pretty sure can bust a hole through Sasuke Susanoo considering Danzo got through with a wind tech.

Even if he somehow hits, busting a hole is not enough, susanoo can be rebuild anytime, as long as you have enough chakra.

Yeah He doesnt he has Toad summonings for that along with a collosal Rasenshuriken that I'm pretty sure can bust a hole through Sasuke Susanoo considering Danzo got through with a wind tech.
Now like the OP said it is true Naruto wasnt stronger than Kage Summit Sasuke. Sasuke took the lead. But later in War Arc you see Narutos Sage Mode gradually get stronger. All he needs is Ma and Pa to get rid of the time limit.

time limit doesn't matter, as he still loses.

 

[take it easy]

SM Naruto at his peak > MS Sasuke.

 

[Exaar]

There's a power difference between MS and SM. Naruto himself admitted he could not beat Sasuke.

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Naruto's statements wasn't just because sasuke had MS. besides Naruto had never wittnessed sasuke's MS powers and sasuke was almost blind at that point.
Also take notice of naruto's words, "Inside him is", Naruto was referring to sensing Indra's presence in sasuke during their Rasengan/Chidori clash at the bridge.

Yes, with perfect vision with his Complete susanoo, Sasuke would be stronger but people forget as sasuke's MS power grew, His eye sight deteriorated. The Sasuke that naruto supposedly admited inferiority had lost almost all his vision and thats why i think naruto was the stronger of the two at that point, making his statement weird but that was explained when he met the sage and admitting he sensed indra inside sasuke.

 

[Jokule67]

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Even if he somehow hits, busting a hole is not enough, susanoo can be rebuild anytime, as long as you have enough chakra.



time limit doesn't matter, as he still loses.

Lol whatever you say. Naruto creates diversions and chances for things to hit. And the toads can help him tremendously. I want to see how Susanoo fairs against this when Madara didnt even tank hirudoura and Sasukes got ripped open from the back.

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Onece an opening is made you cant simply instantly spawn more Suasanoo in a second. Naruto will make that opening count.

SM Naruto=MS Sasuke

And time limit matters as Naruto wont run out of chakra. Also Senjutsu>>>>Ninjutsu.

 

[SeveN797]

Lol whatever you say. Naruto creates diversions and chances for things to hit. And the toads can help him tremendously. I want to see how Susanoo fairs against this when Madara didnt even tank hirudoura and Sasukes got ripped open from the back.

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Onece an opening is made you cant simply instantly spawn more Suasanoo in a second. Naruto will make that opening count.

SM Naruto=MS Sasuke

And time limit matters as Naruto wont run out of chakra. Also Senjutsu>>>>Ninjutsu.

Diversion really? Sorry but Sasuke was, is and always will be smarter than Naruto.

Susanoo arrows not even covered with amaterasu tied with truth seekings orbs

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Besides, that's the scan from war arc. Pain arc Naruto couldn't make bigger rasenshurikens, so if you want to compare war arc Naruto, then compare it to war arc Sasuke which is EMS Sasuke.

Onece an opening is made you cant simply instantly spawn more Suasanoo in a second. Naruto will make that opening count.

Then I wonder how did Itachi survive kirin?

 

[ninjarasengan]

Diversion really? Sorry but Sasuke was, is and always will be smarter than Naruto.

Susanoo arrows not even covered with amaterasu tied with truth seekings orbs

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Besides, that's the scan from war arc. Pain arc Naruto couldn't make bigger rasenshurikens, so if you want to compare war arc Naruto, then compare it to war arc Sasuke which is EMS Sasuke.



Then I wonder how did Itachi survive kirin?

Tied with

Tsb- Still there

Susanoo arrows-gone

:|

 

[~Ethereal~]

Cool.

 

[LoZelda101]

Yea MS > SM.

 

[SeveN797]

Tied with

Tsb- Still there

Susanoo arrows-gone

:|

To be honest, we can't really say what happend with them, did they go back to Naruto or did Naruto make new, because of Kishi's inconsistent drawning

for example :

Next page right after clash happened they're not with Naruto

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They appeared later on :

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Only to dissapear again...

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and magically came back again

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Anyways with RS, for sure it would be no problem for Sasuke to destroy it, tied with it, change it's direction.

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

EMS Sasuke > SM Hashirama > EMS Madara

Inferno Style > Wood Style

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

Does it surprise you? The poor posters here are just forever emotional (and salty) over their characters not getting enough spotlight compared to the Uchihas. They gotta take that out somehow.

this is what ultimately ruined the manga

 

[Itachi Minato]

Sasuke in MS prime would have won which only lasted like 2 mins. SM is definitely better

 

[UltraPain]

You mean an experienced MS user is stronger than an inexperienced SM user...
That's true though.

This. By the time Naruto's mastered his SM he taking down the Kyuubi and had the torii seal.

 

[SenseiSama]

"Just by being strong" he was talking about his will not his actual power levels, he still didn't have the will to change Sasuke's heart because he still hadn't tamed Kurama and was prone to hatred. Hence why he says being strong isn't enough.

 

[King Of Pop]

Sasuke in MS prime would have won which only lasted like 2 mins. SM is definitely better

it didnt last long because he lost his vision as he had been spamming his ms techs all through. hypothetical fresh prime MS sasuke obviously last better

 

[lndra]

Peak war SM Naruto wrecks MS Sasuke. Though I suspect both at peak would equal each other.

 

[true enigma]

MS destroys this fodder tech U_U

 

[Itachi Minato]

it didnt last long because he lost his vision as he had been spamming his ms techs all through. hypothetical fresh prime MS sasuke obviously last better

I know why and that's the reason I think SM is overall better.

 

[SeveN797]

Peak SM which is war arc maybe would beat MS, thing is this would never happen in manga. If Naruto wanted to fight MS Sasuke, he had to do it, shortly after his fight with Pain.

Peak SM would have to face EMS Sasuke which is obviously superior.

Conclusion :
If they actually fought in manga, MS Sasuke would have beat SM Naruto, because he was simply stronger at that time.

People talking about war arc SM have forgot, that this is not in VS section, when you can set up ur own conditions.
So I will say it again, if we're talking about actual fight that could happen in manga, on manga conditions, Sasuke would have won.

Conclusion nr 2 :
Sasuke during his short MS possesion was always stronger than Naruto. Later on, he unlocked EMS, Naruto KCM/BSM etc. but MS Sasuke > SM Naruto in manga

 

[Dantee]

In the vs section Naruto would lose tho.