Most underrated KAGE

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I agree with you. Back in 2009/2010 I had made a thread regarding her being ridiculously underrated. She has the best strength amd couple that with her amazing healing skills and her summon and you have a mass devastator/mass saviour.

She has put her best and has come out successful in Most of her encounters. Hiruzen lost to oro. Minato lost to kyuubi+tobi. Tobirama lost to 20 elite shinobi. Tsunade lost to EDOMADARA with five sussanoo.

She was thr strongest after hashi.in my eyes.
She was wooping on them Susano'o tho lol ;x. Man that was something.

I believe shes tied with Minato.

Woops.. my bad. Only 1, maybe 2 Kage are stronger than Itachi. First is Hashirama, second is maybe Minato.

The rest will get fodderized by Itachi. Want a debate? PM me :)
Nah all the Hokages are hyped stronger then Itachi. ^_^.

And how about tomorrow? I'm going to be leaving soon (in about 27 mins)
 

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Mei forsure!! She gets dismissed all the time as pretty weak compared to other kages. She spits freaking lava people!!! Also this:
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It's already implied that Hiruzen fighting capacity wasn't enough to handle a powerful threat like the Kyubi. That's why he was waiting for Minato. In fact he almost died against Kyubi's TBB if Minato didn't intervene. Seems that you underestimate the threat that Kyubi represents and especially what the masked guy represented for the future. It's THE reason Minato sacrificed himself, for the sake of the future. Without his decision of sealing the yang of Kyubi's chakra in Naruto, there would have been no ninja world right now. It's something that Minato forsaw from the start, the threat the masked guy represented. Even if he killed the Kyubi and lived, what would he have done if the masked guy came later along with 7other Bijuus to destroy the village? That's probably one of the reasons he needed to make his son a Jinchuriki, so that the strongest Bijuu, having a host could fight more efficiently against a future threat that the masked guy could represent

I agree though that thru accomplishments, Tsunade did really well to do her best to save the village, but doing his best doesn't necessarly means it was useful. Whether Tsunade saved life or not during the Pain's attack, many people still died and herself was incapable to save the village. If not Naruto, Konoha would have been completely destroyed already and everyone inside the village as well since she was already as good as dead by the end of the village range Shinra tensei. It's Naruto the one who dealt with the enemy because of Tsunade's incapacity to do so, it's Naruto the one who reconverted Nagato so that he could revive the villagers(that act making Tsunade's act of saving villagers useless btw since they got revived anyway)

Hiruzen as well didn't do much. He maybe had the longest reign, but also the worse accomplishments as a Hokage. During his reign, all the Uchiha clan got killed(Minato even said he could have probably avoid that fate), he was incapable to regulate the situation with the Hyugas. In fact, he was a bad politician, because it's really funny to see that Kumo attacks Hyuga clan by trying to kidnap a Hyuga member, but they are the one who still complains about it by wanting to have the leaders head instead because of the Hyuga clan defended themselves against a traitor. How is that possible? What did he really accomplish that was good beside only giving someone as weird as Danzo full power?
 
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Sorry bro, even Jiraiya admitted they'd die together if they ever locked combat, and Jiraiya outclassed Tsunade. :l She has a limited array of techniques and Itachi's speed and Genjutsu prowess is enough to temporarily incapacitate her.

In terms of combat, she's pretty mediocre except in her durability... But in terms of accomplishments of what she's done for
the Shinobi World she's underrated, highly. I don't take anything away from what she's done, but I can't overrate her either.
 
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Sorry bro, even Jiraiya admitted they'd die together if they ever locked combat, and Jiraiya outclassed Tsunade. :l She has a limited array of techniques and Itachi's speed and Genjutsu prowess is enough to temporarily incapacitate her.
Jiraiya got on Tsunade's level with Sage Mode....... come on now bro.

Tsunade has better chakra control, she can amplify her speed if she wants. She can mess up his connection to the sharingan with the nerve system. She can destroy the battlefield and use objects like walls to attack him.

It's already implied that Hiruzen fighting capacity wasn't enough to handle a powerful threat like the Kyubi. That's why he was waiting for Minato. In fact he almost died against Kyubi's TBB if Minato didn't intervene. Seems that you underestimate the threat that Kyubi represents and especially what the masked guy represented for the future. It's THE reason Minato sacrificed himself, for the sake of the future. Without his decision of sealing the yang of Kyubi's chakra in Naruto, there would have been no ninja world right now. It's something that Minato forsaw from the start, the threat the masked guy represented. Even if he killed the Kyubi and lived, what would he have done if the masked guy came later along with 7other Bijuus to destroy the village? That's probably one of the reasons he needed to make his son a Jinchuriki, so that the strongest Bijuu, having a host could fight more efficiently against a future threat that the masked guy could represent

I agree though that thru accomplishments, Tsunade did really well to do her best to save the village, but doing his best doesn't necessarly means it was useful. Whether Tsunade saved life or not during the Pain's attack, many people still died and herself was incapable to save the village. If not Naruto, Konoha would have been completely destroyed already and everyone inside the village as well since she was already as good as dead by the end of the village range Shinra tensei. It's Naruto the one who dealt with the enemy because of Tsunade's incapacity to do so, it's Naruto the one who reconverted Nagato so that he could revive the villagers(that act making Tsunade's act of saving villagers useless btw since they got revived anyway)

Hiruzen as well didn't do much. He maybe had the longest reign, but also the worse accomplishments as a Hokage. During his reign, all the Uchiha clan got killed, he was incapable to regulate the situation with the Hyugas. In fact, he was a bad politician, because it's really funny to see that Kumo attacks Hyuga clan by trying to kidnap a Hyuga member, but they are the one who still complains about it by wanting to have the leaders head instead because of the Hyuga clan defended themselves against a traitor. How is that possible? What did he really accomplish that was good beside only giving someone as weird as Danzo full power?
Mate your talking about Minato's fight against Kyuubi.. that is a normal shinobi's job....that is not what determines a "Great Hokage". Tsunade had a full plan ready to fend off against pain. But Danzo spoiled it when he killed the Toad.

Naruto getting training was part of Tsunade's plan. She started to save people instead of fighting them. If Minato and Hiruzen were there they wouldn't have been able to do shit about the Shinra tensei either, in fact they wouldn't have even saved that many lives.

I'm not saying Minato was a BAD HOKAGE.. I'm saying he did the Least.... when people put Minato over Tsunade it makes no sense.
 
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I think that Tsunade is weaker then Itachi just because Tsunade got defeated by Orochimaru and it only took like 30 seconds for Itachi to defeat Orochimaru.. Also Itachi secretly has a bowl of ramen before battle from Ichiraku ramen specially made by Teuchi. The True Child of Prophecy and and descendant from the Sage of Six Paths himself.
 

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a shinobi at any level is usaually able to fight without looking the opponent in the eyes
and orochimarus edo tensei doesnt count as technically its not his full power nor does senju dna but his arms do
But that makes tsunade at a disadvantage since it will be hard for her to follow his movements without her looking in his face.
 

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Jiraiya got on Tsunade's level with Sage Mode....... come on now bro.

Tsunade has better chakra control, she can amplify her speed if she wants. She can mess up his connection to the sharingan with the nerve system. She can destroy the battlefield and use objects like walls to attack him.

Jiraiya had Sage Mode for years, and nobody's discovered that up until he's used it. Remember what Shikaku said, Once becoming a Sage, you're in an league of your own. Paraphrased, but still true, at one point before Orochimaru completely twisted his body with experimentation he's surpassed both Orochimaru and Tsunade. Face it, she was the Sakura of the group, while Orochimaru and Jiraiya were the eternal rivals of their generation.

Can't turn it into a one sided scenario where Itachi looks completely fodder, dude. >.< because if that were the case you can make it just that easy for Itachi to win with Tsukuyomi, which I won't go into the complicated explanation of how fxcked her perceptions of time will be before damage is already done when she breaks it. Or Susano'o and the Totsuka Blade. Or how Yata Mirror could completely repel the hell out of her. Itachi also had superior Chakra Control even while fighting off disease. There's no real fair way to split that battle down the middle.
 
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I think that Tsunade is weaker then Itachi just because Tsunade got defeated by Orochimaru and it only took like 30 seconds for Itachi to defeat Orochimaru.. Also Itachi secretly has a bowl of ramen before battle from Ichiraku ramen specially made by Teuchi. The True Child of Prophecy and and descendant from the Sage of Six Paths himself.
Teuchi solos itachi
 

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I think that Tsunade is weaker then Itachi just because Tsunade got defeated by Orochimaru and it only took like 30 seconds for Itachi to defeat Orochimaru.. Also Itachi secretly has a bowl of ramen before battle from Ichiraku ramen specially made by Teuchi. The True Child of Prophecy and and descendant from the Sage of Six Paths himself.
Tsunade wasn't doing shit due to her being rusty and not fighting at all and also due to her phobia of blood. But did you see what happened when she got serious? She pawned Orochimaru and Manda.


Jiraiya had Sage Mode for years, and nobody's discovered that up until he's used it. Remember what Shikaku said, Once becoming a Sage, you're in an league of your own. Paraphrased, but still true, at one point before Orochimaru completely twisted his body with experimentation he's surpassed both Orochimaru and Tsunade. Face it, she was the Sakura of the group, while Orochimaru and Jiraiya were the eternal rivals of their generation.

Can't turn it into a one sided scenario where Itachi looks completely fodder, dude. >.< because if that were the case you can make it just that easy for Itachi to win with Tsukuyomi, which I won't go into the complicated explanation of how fxcked her perceptions of time will be before damage is already done when she breaks it. Or Susano'o and the Totsuka Blade. Or how Yata Mirror could completely repel the hell out of her. There's no real fair way to split that battle down the middle.
Actually she wasn't.. She was the Naruto and Sakura. Naruto as in the role she played as the most important one of the 3 and Sakura in her personality and role of the girl.

And Shikaku was never in Tsunade's league.. But by giving that 1 sided scenario I'm telling you that Itachi can also be soloed.... And also, what would Totsuka blade and Susano'o in the end do? Oh yes exhaust Itachi and mess up his Sharingan. Overall, she has more prowess then him. Hell she was pawning Susano'o clones lol. ;x
 

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Jiraiya got on Tsunade's level with Sage Mode....... come on now bro.

Tsunade has better chakra control, she can amplify her speed if she wants. She can mess up his connection to the sharingan with the nerve system. She can destroy the battlefield and use objects like walls to attack him.
Okay saying Tsunade can take Sage mode Jiraya sounds ridiculous and you know it.
 

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Tsunade wasn't doing shit due to her being rusty and not fighting at all and also due to her phobia of blood. But did you see what happened when she got serious? She pawned Orochimaru and Manda.



Actually she wasn't.. She was the Naruto and Sakura. Naruto as in the role she played as the most important one of the 3 and Sakura in her personality and role of the girl.

And Shikaku was never in Tsunade's league.. But by giving that 1 sided scenario I'm telling you that Itachi can also be soloed.... And also, what would Totsuka blade and Susano'o in the end do? Oh yes exhaust Itachi and mess up his Sharingan. Overall, she has more prowess then him. Hell she was pawning Susano'o clones lol. ;x
No, Jiraiya was the Naruto of the group... Even their scenarios in growing up resembled Team 7, Orochimaru = The cold, aloof genius destined for greatness yet fell into darkness. Tsunade = The female loud mouth of the group who had something against Jiraiya who was the Naruto of the group who had a crush on Tsunade, grew up to be a powerhouse and amazing Medical Ninja. Jiraiya = The idiot of the group who grew to be one of the most powerful Shinobi of all time, a Sage, and the catalyst to attaining peace in the Shinobi world just like Naruto. C'mon, broooo. You know this! :l

And Shikaku being one of the overall most intelligent Shinobi in Konoha, his word is just as plausible as Tsunade's even if he doesn't have her current Rank, remember, he was a Commander and the lead brain in tactics in the ENTIRE Shinobi Alliance. His word should be well heeded as well as a Kage's. And Tsunade's Mitotic Regeneration destroys her lifespan and reverts her into a slower more aged form after a while. If Dan didn't restore her Chakra then yeah, her Mitotic Regeneration would've been another cause of her downfall aside from Madara splitting her in half. Tsunade can also be solo'ed. Sadly it can be through Genjutsu, while Tsunade actually has to try to get close to Itachi... But three words, Shadow Clone Explosion.
 

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Tsunade took on Susanoo clones....and beat the living hell out of them. I don't recall ever seeing any other generation of Kages or Hokages taking on multiple Susanoo's, which are frankly the Uchiha's ace in the hole move.

Not to mention her feats in the Medical world...which frankly is the only reason half of the Naruto Cast is still alive.

She's underrated and underestimated. She can tank a lot of damage and can dish out even more.
 

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Tsunade took on Susanoo clones....and beat the living hell out of them. I don't recall ever seeing any other generation of Kages or Hokages taking on multiple Susanoo's, which are frankly the Uchiha's ace in the hole move.

Not to mention her feats in the Medical world...which frankly is the only reason half of the Naruto Cast is still alive.

She's underrated and underestimated. She can tank a lot of damage and can dish out even more.
You're pretty funny....lol oro and jiraya would have taken those clones down as well....and she is the weakest kage at the moment
 

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3rd Raikage, he can compete with any of the Hokages yet gets put below Muu, trollkage and Oonoki. Tsunade is underrated too though
 
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