that was another great fight. Most of p1 fights were like that. I wish Kishi stayed on that track.I preferred the Neji vs Kidomaru fight. Neji pulling a win in a situation where he was heavily at a disadvantage was entertaining.
that was another great fight. Most of p1 fights were like that. I wish Kishi stayed on that track.I preferred the Neji vs Kidomaru fight. Neji pulling a win in a situation where he was heavily at a disadvantage was entertaining.
that was another great fight. Most of p1 fights were like that. I wish Kishi stayed on that track.
I remember watching p1 and thinking endgame Naruto fight mechanic would be everyone being very smart, resourceful using nin tools for traps and deceiving others. I thought sharigan was kind of OP'd but it didn't look like any kind of jutsu that couldn't be overcome byskill/ tatics. And then rasenshuriken and Susanoo came, I knew where Naruto was headed.
yeah, I think the power scaling got way out of hand. It became less about being resourceful with your skillset + deception and more about blitzing people (which is a lazy fighting mechanic in my opinion) and nuke/one-shots.
A lowly chunnin's quick-thinking when given the right tools (Shinobi alliance) managed to keep the Alliance alive against a raging 10 Tails. Him & his father's feats orchestrated an amazingly executed formation attack that managed to force Obito & MADARA UCHIHA away from the 10 Tails. I call that a good display of quick-thinking.How is it not fair? Fooling a fool hardly takes much tactic. How can you even agree to this? How can one even compare Sasuke fooling Orochimaru and Danzo to Shikamaru luring fools into traps, and then place the latter on a higher pedestal? It makes no sense to me whatsoever.
You are also going off the tangent here. Whatever is shown on the panels is what's important. Whatever he could have done is irrelevant at this point as the manga is over. Going by the evidence we have, Shikamaru's feats are borderline pedestrian. There is no proof that Kin is intelligent, in fact, her forgetting the location of the wall right behind her tells a great tale about that. Hidan is an idiot and I am not even trying to mock him.
Temari has only gained experience now. She wasn't all that intelligent either. So, that's two idiots he beat and one with a serviceable intelligence at best, and you have got five pages of stupidity from Nips and idiotic name-calling for a simple fact that Shikamaru has fooled fools. So, tell me, in your honest opinion; what's so special about a tactician who has created tactics around dull fools? You can be the judge here.
Tactics are build around the opponents one is dealing with. That is the whole point. Shikamaru faced weak, unintelligent opponents (or those that could be easily subdued with his technique), and Sasuke faced those that were either much more powerful or were at his power scaling and were highly intelligent ninjas, hence, the tactic comparison is quite apt and fair.
By feats, he isn't a better tactitian as every single battle requires that from the ninja. Not only that, 200 IQ is extremely rare; an IQ, he has never exploited or shown with his feats. Which was my whole point; one ninja has shown far better tactics and with quick-silver thinking. The other hasn't. Whatever his status is, is not relevant within the confines of the term 'battle tactics'. Also, I never stated that he isn't a tactician. I stated that Sasuke is better and Shikamaru isn't some grand one everyone makes him out to be. That is very different from refuting his status as a tactician.
Disadvantage? He literally has the only jutsu which can cut the webs. Neji got matched miraculously....Nobody else could defeat Kidomaru from that squad.I preferred the Neji vs Kidomaru fight. Neji pulling a win in a situation where he was heavily at a disadvantage was entertaining.
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Kidomaru's range and knowledge of byakugan had him at a disadvantage in my opinion.A lowly chunnin's quick-thinking when given the right tools (Shinobi alliance) managed to keep the Alliance alive against a raging 10 Tails. Him & his father's feats orchestrated an amazingly executed formation attack that managed to force Obito & MADARA UCHIHA away from the 10 Tails. I call that a good display of quick-thinking.
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And Shikamaru is hardly a character that gets as much screentime and special one-on-ones with villains like Sasuke, so VS Kin remains impressive just for the sheer ability to focus on the opponent's weakness (in this case being a vain loudmouth and obsessed with her own tactical fighting style) and thinking outside the box with a lack of resources. Not something you see a lot of characters do in this show. Sasuke always has many tools at his disposal from wire to Susanoo to copied abilities, stuff to fall back on.
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^ The Juubi's capabilities before you tell me that it is another example of a fool.
Also what do you even mean by 'don't give me this 100 moves ahead crap'? ...Are you contesting Kishimoto now? Because he's the one who stated that, not some wanking forum-goer. Regardless, a side character shouldn't have to have results lie in defeated opponents when they're given so few oppurtunies to showcase themselves. Shikamaru & his dad's tactical intelligence can be proven from War prep, Ino-Shika-Cho formations and the quality of formation attacks that can work against the strongest of ninja, regardless of their effect- if you're not seeing the intelligence in those then you're hugely downplaying a character or trying to just argue something different discretely.
I guess when the writer repeatedly & directly tells the reader about how intelligent Shika is, he's just f*cking with us. Anyway I don't feel like you've really replied to my last post so I won't post another essay of text haha
Disadvantage? He literally has the only jutsu which can cut the webs. Neji got matched miraculously....Nobody else could defeat Kidomaru from that squad.
The Jubi has any intelligence in that state? You are welcome to back this up, when the feat in question hardly required any intelligence whatsoever. My argument still falls back on the basic notion that is grounded in a bit of common sense; how hard is it to fool, fools? Also, Obito and Madara had a hard time connecting with the Jubi. They were mostly stalling because of Obito's stupidity to lead the charge. Madara was not even contributing anything as he was under Obito's thumb in regards to RinneTensai, and still he killed the source of the alliance; the HQ. Also, I have never even touched upon his father. Why are you bringing him into this discussion?A lowly chunin's quick-thinking when given the right tools (Shinobi alliance) managed to keep the Alliance alive against a raging 10 Tails. Him & his father's feats orchestrated an amazingly executed formation attack that managed to force Obito & MADARA UCHIHA away from the 10 Tails. I call that a good display of quick-thinking.
And Shikamaru is hardly a character that gets as much screentime and special one-on-ones with villains like Sasuke, so VS Kin remains impressive just for the sheer ability to focus on the opponent's weakness (in this case being a vain loudmouth and obsessed with her own tactical fighting style) and thinking outside the box with a lack of resources. Not something you see a lot of characters do in this show. Sasuke always has many tools at his disposal from wire to Susanoo to copied abilities, stuff to fall back on.
^ The Juubi's capabilities before you tell me that it is another example of a fool.
Also what do you even mean by 'don't give me this 100 moves ahead crap'? ...Are you contesting Kishimoto now? Because he's the one who stated that, not some wanking forum-goer. Regardless, a side character shouldn't have to have results lie in defeated opponents when they're given so few oppurtunies to showcase themselves. Shikamaru & his dad's tactical intelligence can be proven from War prep, Ino-Shika-Cho formations and the quality of formation attacks that can work against the strongest of ninja, regardless of their effect- if you're not seeing the intelligence in those then you're hugely downplaying a character or trying to just argue something different discretely.
I guess when the writer repeatedly & directly tells the reader about how intelligent Shika is, he's just f*cking with us. Anyway I don't feel like you've really replied to my last post so I won't post another essay of text haha
For a guy that is claiming he's not crying, you sure are full of irony; frequently brings in Indra's intellectually challenged posts on Chakra genes when they have nothing to do with the topic to make himself feel better, repeatedly quotes a dude, who is not even interested in replying to him (has been told so as well), claims someone is uninformed on so and so, but has little idea as to which clear-cut manga incidents are being talked about (or how semantic leeways are only used by dunces such as Indra and himself), hasn't read the manga and has no clue where the fight incidents are, has been told more than once that 'agreement' is not what the poster is even looking for, yet continues on belching out stupidity in this regard as if the other poster is demanding it ... Yeah, it's totally me whining and *****ing.Your opinion is subjective rather than objective. At this point you have nothing to fall on and somehow in disbelief that people aren't agreeing with you. It makes sense that you say you could post more when it's redundant given your lack of ability to post scans and explain your opinion on why they're better. Instead (like you did with the bijuu situation in which everyone realized how uninformed you were) you pass off your opinion as a fact and cry when you aren't agreed with.
You mad af for no reason. On top of you crying over being wrong you keep feeling the need to say you weren't wrong when you were. It's not even your fault you're uninformed and I don't expect much from you.The Jubi has any intelligence in that state? You are welcome to back this up, when the feat in question hardly required any intelligence whatsoever. My argument still falls back on the basic notion that is grounded in a bit of common sense; how hard is it to fool, fools? Also, Obito and Madara had a hard time connecting with the Jubi. They were mostly stalling because of Obito's stupidity to lead the charge. Madara was not even contributing anything as he was under Obito's thumb in regards to RinneTensai, and still he killed the source of the alliance; the HQ. Also, I have never even touched upon his father. Why are you bringing him into this discussion?
Why does it matter? Shikamaru having resources or not doesn't matter, when the fights in question simply work on tactics. Whether resources are from the ninja in question or from other ninjas (as a Team) is not even the topic of discussion, but what he does with the resources is. You are hung up on power-scaling, when it has nothing to do with this discussion. The point remains, Sasuke has used the resoruces in a far better and cleverer manner than Shikamaru.
And why are you all going against Kishimoto's words when it comes to Sasuke? Shikamaru admitted inferiority. Yet, somehow, it's not true and it's OKAY to go against Kishimoto when it comes to Sasuke. Orochimaru was 'once in a life-time prodigy' and he placed his former self far beneath Sasuke in terms of intelligence. But no, according to NB, he's a liar. Who cares what he says? So, according to the manga, Shikamaru is beneath Sasuke. Why is this even a discussion? You see, it works both ways.
I didn't even go against Kishimoto, by the way, I merely showed that his 200 moves don't always amount to much, and most of the times, they are quite worthless as shown by his lack of grasp of Pein's tactics. I didn't even say that he's not intelligent. Where did I even remotely imply it? I am saying that he's beneath Sasuke. It's a comparison. Whether you agree on not is your call, when the writer has shown Sasuke to be above him ... by Shikamaru's own admission. If you want to disregard all the statements from the characters and feats, then you are blatantly going against the manga. So, no forum-wanker is pointlessly coming to Sasuke's defense, as all the incidents I have pointed towards are canon manga.
Honestly, I don't even get this discussion when Sasuke is canonically superior by Shikamaru's own admission. Orochimaru places him on a higher pedestal. Chee says the same. Kakashi and Jiraiya back this up. The feats do so as well. And yet, here we are, arguing this, simply because it involves Sasuke. And it's an NB taboo to say something along the lines of 'Sasuke is more intelligent, faster, tactical, powerful' than so and so. Whenever Sasuke is involved, you have got plenty of stone-age, stupid wankers (many are in this very thread) making shit up when the manga shows it clearly that it's not the case. I mean, when you have statements like 'stats are facts and statements are fiction', then what is left?
P.s: By and by, a good post! At least you backed up your claims, unlike the rest of the posters here.
For a guy that is claiming he's not crying, you sure are full of irony; frequently brings in Indra's intellectually challenged posts on Chakra genes when they have nothing to do with the topic to make himself feel better, repeatedly quotes a dude, who is not even interested in replying to him (has been told so as well), claims someone is uninformed on so and so, but has little idea as to which clear-cut manga incidents are being talked about (or how semantic leeways are only used by dunces such as Indra and himself), hasn't read the manga and has no clue where the fight incidents are, has been told more than once that 'agreement' is not what the poster is even looking for, yet continues on belching out stupidity in this regard as if the other poster is demanding it ... Yeah, it's totally me whining and *****ing.
Also, your statements on fact and fiction and subjectivity and objectivity (I am sure you have no clue as to what they even mean in an argument) are still hilarious and pathetically off base ... as if you are under some illusion that what you say even matters here. It really doesn't. It never has.
P.s: Inb4 yet another whiny post on agreements, Indra's suckling, fact and fiction, subjective and objective opinions etc. I cannot wait.
Honestly, you are like a run-of-the-mill wind-up toy. No matter how many times it's wound, it will utter the same mediocre, unintelligent crap ... until it is broken, and out of commission for good.You mad af for no reason. On top of you crying over being wrong you keep feeling the need to say you weren't wrong when you were. It's not even your fault you're uninformed and I don't expect much from you.
So continue to hold the L's and wank Sasuke.
Ironic given how much this describes you.Honestly, you are like a run-of-the-mill wind-up toy. No matter how many times it's wound, it will utter the same mediocre, unintelligent crap ... until it is broken, and out of commission for good.
Lol