most OP jutsu

[BenjerminGaye]

If its all aspects clones are still a perfectly good counter to it, because he the user can't afford to use Kamui on a clone. And without using Kamui offensively, simply phasing will get you nowhere

false, since simple phasing landed kakashi a hit on the god of nv.

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as eventually you would run out of chakra.

waiting for chakra exhaustion isn't a counter. Since you aren't stopping the use of kamui.

They not have to have a 5min continues attack, they just gotta attack him continuously for 5min

No it has to be 5 minute continous. If they just attack 4 5 minutes straight the user will take advantage of the gaps between each individual attack.

anyone with a large chakra pool can do such a thing

No that's not the case. It's explicitly why konan forced him to free fall in a sea of paper bombs. She has the chakra capacity to attack for 5 minutes straight. (Most genin do tbh) but it was imperative that she forced him to stay intangible which she could only do with one 10 minute attack.

The tech is only as good as the user, try again.

Then stop using inferior users as your point of reference. Since they're bad representations of the tech itself.

The person inhales the pollen, as it does not go away for more then 5min.

can still use kamui to leave the area(multiple ways to do it btw)

Yes it does, the user would have no way of knowing how the Genjutsu works, and by the time they try and leave, it would be too late, unless you think that the user could go to the Kamui dimension faster then the speed of light.

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Don't make it easier than it already is

No they don't, someone with double Kamui cannot see the clones coming.

they don't have to see the clones coming.

lol you have got to be joking, FTG has proven its superiority in Minato Vs Obito.

using an inferior version of kamui. Tis to be expected. Ftg is based on summoning jutsu and Kmaui already outsped that when he ripped off the gedo mazo arm mid summon.

Come up with better counters, as yours are far from good.

Thats rich coming from you. You use bad users as a reflection of what you think is possible with a technique, you read selectively, and your counters are half assed."oh hell just run out of chakra. ..." why do waste my time.

 

[Killua Zoldyck]

false, since simple phasing landed kakashi a hit on the god of nv.

That was not simple phasing, that was Kamui Raikiri , what happened to talking about Kamui as a Jutsu?

, waiting for chakra exhaustion isn't a counter. Since you aren't stopping the use of kamui.

Using phasing Kamui should not even be considered OP then, since simply dodging your opponents attacks cannot give you a victory.

No it has to be 5 minute continous. If they just attack 4 5 minutes straight the user will take advantage of the gaps between each individual attack.

Not if the attacker is fast.

No that's not the case. It's explicitly why konan forced him to free fall in a sea of paper bombs. She has the chakra capacity to attack for 5 minutes straight. (Most genin do tbh) but it was imperative that she forced him to stay intangible which she could only do with one 10 minute attack.

That just made it easier, a good sensor who is really fast can continuesly attack. Someone like Sasori or Deidara or Gaara or Temari can continuesly attack.

Then stop using inferior users as your point of reference. Since they're bad representations of the tech itself.

It just so happens that DMS Kakashi has the best showing of Kamui, sorry to burst your buble.

can still use kamui to leave the area(multiple ways to do it btw)

And how is this practical in a battle ? If your definition of OP Jutsu is being capable of running away, then go ahead and think that, but that's a very bad way of looking at what a OP Jutsu is.

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Don't make it easier than it already is

Wow, so Gudōdama is faster then the speed of light? Because it took double the speed of Kamui to go into the dimension and Gudōdama was still nearly able to hit him. Oh, and Itachis Susanoo is in reality the most OP thing in the manga, because it makes him invincible, and ironically Zetsu was also the one who said it. Please don't tell me that's the best you've got.

they don't have to see the clones coming.

Yes they do, how the hell are they going to know that they are about to get attacked and go phase mode?

using an inferior version of kamui. Tis to be expected. Ftg is based on summoning jutsu and Kmaui already outsped that when he ripped off the gedo mazo arm mid summon.

Gedo Mazu was standing still for enough time that Minato can scream some words and Kakashi can reply and start Using Kamui, so no, it was instant, like FTG is.

Thats rich coming from you. You use bad users as a reflection of what you think is possible with a technique, you read selectively, and your counters are half assed."oh hell just run out of chakra. ..." why do waste my time.

Your funny, calling the best Kamui user at his peak level of power a "bad user". You have yet to make any sort of counter, any argument you have made has been debunked in a matter of a phrase, actually believing that Kamui travels at the speed of light lmao, please, try harder.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

That was not simple phasing, that was Kamui Raikiri , what happened to talking about Kamui as a Jutsu?

phasing enabled his attack.

Using phasing Kamui should not even be considered OP then, since simply dodging your opponents attacks cannot give you a victory.

phasing is one of the 3 aspects of kamui. It's the combination of all 3 that makes kamui op.

Not if the attacker is fast.

false. Not to mention such tactics is Taking advantage of the shortcomings of the user not the technique. I'll give you and example of such so you understand what I'm talking about. Sasuke getting blitzed by raikage (or lee) despite clearly seeing the Raikage (or lee) via sharingan. Who's at fault the the tool, or the user? You should know the answer. Zetsu explained it in the Sasuke Vs itachi fight.

That just made it easier, a good sensor who is really fast can continuesly attack.

false. The use of kamui makes the user untraceable by sensors and byakugan.

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Someone like Sasori or Deidara or Gaara or Temari can continuesly attack.

lol no. Kamui already evaded more condensed attacks, i.e. shino's bugs. In scan above

It just so happens that DMS Kakashi has the best showing of Kamui, sorry to burst your buble.

Then stop using 14 year old obito and ms kakashi as the back of your argument. K thanks bye.

And how is this practical in a battle ?

nobody said anything about it being only battle not even the op. Only you. You're so close minded. Kamui is one of the few that works in literally all situations. Close-Combatant, escapism, recon, simple travel, storage long range combat, etc I can go on and on.

If your definition of OP Jutsu is being capable of running away, then go ahead and think that, but that's a very bad way of looking at what a OP Jutsu is.

Overpowered, in video games when a particular aspect or character is lacking game balance

Wow, so Gudōdama is faster then the speed of light? Because it took double the speed of Kamui to go into the dimension and Gudōdama was still nearly able to hit him.

double kamui is still kamui.

Oh, and Itachis Susanoo is in reality the most OP thing in the manga, because it makes him invincible, and ironically Zetsu was also the one who said it. Please don't tell me that's the best you've got.

spirit weapons=/= jutsu. Lol this is child's play.

Yes they do, how the hell are they going to know that they are about to get attacked and go phase mode?

preemptive phasing. Obito does it all the time to set up feints. Madara has 0 way to tell if he's phasing or not till he attacks. While Kakashi can attack while remaining intangible.

Gedo Mazu was standing still for enough time that Minato can scream some words and Kakashi can reply and start Using Kamui, so no, it was instant, like FTG is.

Kakashi used Kamui when the gedo mazo jumped. Not before when minato was talking.

Your funny, calling the best Kamui user at his peak level of power a "bad user". You have yet to make any sort of counter, any argument you have made has been debunked in a matter of a phrase, actually believing that Kamui travels at the speed of light lmao, please, try harder.

You're not using dms kakashi in all your examples.

Here you used 14 year old obito.

lol you have got to be joking, FTG has proven its superiority in Minato Vs Obito.

Thats no where near this "peak" you speak of.

 

[Killua Zoldyck]

phasing enabled his attack.

But he actually attacked via Raikiri, so its irrelevent.

phasing is one of the 3 aspects of kamui. It's the combination of all 3 that makes kamui op.

If you use offensive Kamui, then you are prone to getting hit, there may be 3 aspects to it, but only one could be used at a time.

false. Not to mention such tactics is Taking advantage of the shortcomings of the user not the technique. I'll give you and example of such so you understand what I'm talking about. Sasuke getting blitzed by raikage (or lee) despite clearly seeing the Raikage (or lee) via sharingan. Who's at fault the the tool, or the user? You should know the answer. Zetsu explained it in the Sasuke Vs itachi fight.

How is it false? Anyone faster then Amaterasu can hit Obito before he phases, it all depends on reaction speed, and Kakashi nor Obito have reaction speed to keep up with someone like Gai in 8th Gate or Naruto, just as an example.

false. The use of kamui makes the user untraceable by sensors and byakugan.

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lol no. Kamui already evaded more condensed attacks, i.e. shino's bugs. In scan above

That's because he literally transported himself into the his Kamui dimension. If he is phasing, one would be capable of telling when his chakra comes back.

If the characters I mentioned attack for 5min continuesly there will be nothing Obito would be capable of doing other then phasing (If he is only allowed to use Kamui).

Then stop using 14 year old obito and ms kakashi as the back of your argument. K thanks bye.

This is irrelevent to the original point, so I trust you concede. And 14 year old Obito is just as good with Kamui as he was Pre-Double Kamui, there is nothing that indicates that phasing can become faster, it depends on the users reflexes, which of course Obito improved upon, but not the Kamui itself.

nobody said anything about it being only battle not even the op. Only you. You're so close minded. Kamui is one of the few that works in literally all situations. Close-Combatant, escapism, recon, simple travel, storage long range combat, etc I can go on and on.

Really? Then shadow clones is the most useful technique, since you could play all sorts of games with the clones and make friends with yourself and try out new things, etc.......

No, he obviously meant battle wise, I highly doubt that he had recon and escapism in his mind when he made this thread.

Overpowered, in video games when a particular aspect or character is lacking game balance

So your comparing this to a game? Good to know.

double kamui is still kamui.

spirit weapons=/= jutsu. Lol this is child's play.

I trust you also conceded this, I am sure you are smart enough to know that nothing in the Narutoverse goes at the speed of light, and you made it quiet clear that you are simply trolling here.

preemptive phasing. Obito does it all the time to set up feints. Madara has 0 way to tell if he's phasing or not till he attacks. While Kakashi can attack while remaining intangible.

They have no way of knowing the Clone is coming and when he will get to them, they will not know to phase.

Kakashi used Kamui when the gedo mazo jumped. Not before when minato was talking.

Does not matter, them being able to say entire sentences means that that summoning was not instant, so your point holds no ground.

You're not using dms kakashi in all your examples.

Here you used 14 year old obito.
Thats no where near this "peak" you speak of.

Minato displayed that FTG is superior to Kamui in that fight, due to the nature of the two Jutsu, FTG is a perfect counter. Even peak Kakashi won't change that.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

But he actually attacked via Raikiri, so its irrelevent.

He attacked via kamui. Obito has done the same plenty of times.

If you use offensive Kamui, then you are prone to getting hit, there may be 3 aspects to it, but only one could be used at a time.

not the case for double kamui.

How is it false? Anyone faster then Amaterasu can hit Obito before he phases, it all depends on reaction speed,

it's false because as you said it comes down to reaction speed. Not kamui. I.e. a superior kamui user would have superior reaction speed and as such wouldn't get caught by that tactic.

and Kakashi nor Obito have reaction speed to keep up with someone like Gai in 8th Gate or Naruto, just as an example.

Kakashi reacted to and blitzed the fastest version of kaguya thus far. This kaguya in this very chapter outsped naruto. So no.

That's because he literally transported himself into the his Kamui dimension. If he is phasing, one would be capable of telling when his chakra comes back.

what he did is still an aspect of kamui.

If the characters I mentioned attack for 5min continuesly there will be nothing Obito would be capable of doing other then phasing (If he is only allowed to use Kamui).

dms kakashi would warp out.

This is irrelevent to the original point, so I trust you concede. And 14 year old Obito is just as good with Kamui as he was Pre-Double Kamui, there is nothing that indicates that phasing can become faster, it depends on the users reflexes, which of course Obito improved upon, but not the Kamui itself.

false obito already said that he can increase warping speed and ms obito can't warp and phase at the same time.

Really? Then shadow clones is the most useful technique, since you could play all sorts of games with the clones and make friends with yourself and try out new things, etc......

lol nice attempt though.

No, he obviously meant battle wise, I highly doubt that he had recon and escapism in his mind when he made this thread.

So you know his thoughts now. ..

So your comparing this to a game? Good to know.

Thats where this meaning of the term op comes from.

I trust you also conceded this, I am sure you are smart enough to know that nothing in the Narutoverse goes at the speed of light, and you made it quiet clear that you are simply trolling here.

all st techs move faster than speed of light. It takes 8 minutes and 20 seconds for light from the sun to reach the earth. But any st tech would make round trips instantly. That's part of the reason they're considered space time techs. They bend the laws and logic of the spacetime continoum.

They have no way of knowing the Clone is coming and when he will get to them, they will not know to phase.

they don't need to know. If it's activated preemptively.

Does not matter, them being able to say entire sentences means that that summoning was not instant, so your point holds no ground.

the actual summoning was instant, the only thing that wasn't was it coming out of obito.

Minato displayed that FTG is superior to Kamui in that fight, due to the nature of the two Jutsu, FTG is a perfect counter. Even peak Kakashi won't change that.

bad assumption based on novice obito.