Most influential artist alive right now is.......

[Kaneki Kun]

Maybe not instrumental talent or pure vocal ability, but to say there isn't talent like that? Absolutely incorrect. There are people like Ab-Soul, Kendrick Lamar, J. Cole, Eminem, Logic, Earl Sweatshirt, and Tyler, the Creator(believe it or not) who have artistic, lyrical and poetic talent in their lyrics that can easily match the talent the people you listed have in sonical talent. Music has not gone downhill in the last 20 years, it's just changed from the style of music you like.

What you're saying about current music, people have said it about the generation of music Queen, Led Zepplin, Aerosmith, etc. What you're saying about Aeorosmith and Queen and the Beatles, someone is gonna say about this same generation of music you say is a decline years after you're gone.

We need more people like you.

 

[Punk Hazard]

But I could list so many bands that listing them all would take quite awhile. It's much easier to say, "Most major bands from the 60s-80s were/are more influential (and more talented) that Yeezus." But to say something like that is to be idiotic. My b.



That's fair. I don't like rap, but that's because I don't think it's very good. That, OP, is an opinion.



I can read just fine. Thank you very much.

I think that people nowadays think that everything is opinionated and that there can't be any objectivity in anything. That's BS. Not everything is an opinion. Sure, there are biases in just about everything, but that doesn't make objectivity impossible. U_U

While there is objectivity in music, the discussion of music will forever be mostly subjective. Music is too diverse, complex and large in quantity for there to be one universal set of objective standards.

I could just easily point all the objective reasons for why rap is a great genre, for example, and it won't change your opinion on it because it's a subjective topic.

 

[Yusuke Urameshi]

Maybe not instrumental talent or pure vocal ability, but to say there isn't talent like that? Absolutely incorrect. There are people like Ab-Soul, Kendrick Lamar, J. Cole, Eminem, Logic, Earl Sweatshirt, and Tyler, the Creator(believe it or not) who have artistic, lyrical and poetic talent in their lyrics that can easily match the talent the people you listed have in sonical talent. Music has not gone downhill in the last 20 years, it's just changed from the style of music you like.

What you're saying about current music, people have said it about the generation of music Queen, Led Zeppelin, Aerosmith, etc. What you're saying about Aeorosmith and Queen and the Beatles, someone is gonna say about this same generation of music you say is a decline years after you're gone.

So you're saying that the lyrics back in the day are easily matched by today's music (or, at least, by the people you mentioned)? I can understand that. But there's so much more that went in to the music back then. It wasn't one guy spewing words out of his mouth with a monotonous bass line or a catchy beat. Back in the day, there was a singer, and a drummer, and a bassist, and a guitarist, and typically, other people in the band that added their own swing onto things. As you say yourself, the only type of talent that is matched by that of today's music would be the lyrical talent. You can't honestly say that the musical talent is nearly close at all. lol That's my point. There's more raw or overall talent and heart (however you want to word this) that went into the music back then.

I can understand that point of view. I was raised on classic rock (even though, in my middle school days, I was straight hip hop), so of course that's what I gravitate towards and appreciate the most. That's reasonable. Even still, I think that today's music is the worst. I'm not a fan of 90s music, but it's tolerable. Today's music is so reproduced and replayed that it doesn't have that same umph to it that it used to have. Of course, what you said plays a role in this.

 

[Cruciatus]

While there is objectivity in music, the discussion of music will forever be mostly subjective. Music is too diverse, complex and large in quantity for there to be one universal set of objective standards.

I could just easily point all the objective reasons for why rap is a great genre, for example, and it won't change your opinion on it because it's a subjective topic.

No, you're wrong.

My opinion about music is the correct one. You can have wrong opinions. If you think that murder is fine and dandy, then you have a wrong opinion. Likewise if you think that rap is a respectable genre of music that fosters poeticism and talent, the you're wrong.

I am a LedHead for life. I will lick between the toes of every member of Alice and Chains just so that I can taste greatness. Yeah, that's real music. And that's an OBJECTIVE fact. The Beatles made Britain a modern musical Empire; they took over the world with their heart warming melodies and spunky harmonies. All hail rock and roll.

And don't even get me started on lyrical quality. I mean, just look at this.

Lyrics from the up-and-coming hip hop duo, Run the Jewels:

I put that **** in her mouth all day
She got that **** in her mouth all day
She take that **** in her mouth all day

NOW, let's compare it to a GOOD band like Guns and Roses:

I been thinkin' 'bout
Thinkin' 'bout ***
Always hungry for somethin'
That I haven't had yet

CLEARLY, the quality of the lyrics goes UP when it was written by TALENTED musicians who actually played instruments, because somehow, that has an effect on their ability to write. Oh, and don't even get me started on how good a person Axel Rose is. He has managed to take a rough, uncivilized topic like *** and turn it into a catchy masterpiece featuring a hella kazoo lead in, whilst Run the Jewels just repeatedly brags about their sloppy blowjobs. Not to menton that song was recorded with Gangsta Boo, and anything associated with Three 6 Mafia sucks. If you don't believe me, just remember that Juicy J exists.

 

[Kaneki Kun]

So you're saying that the lyrics back in the day are easily matched by today's music (or, at least, by the people you mentioned)? I can understand that. But there's so much more that went in to the music back then. It wasn't one guy spewing words out of his mouth with a monotonous bass line or a catchy beat. Back in the day, there was a singer, and a drummer, and a bassist, and a guitarist, and typically, other people in the band that added their own swing onto things. As you say yourself, the only type of talent that is matched by that of today's music would be the lyrical talent. You can't honestly say that the musical talent is nearly close at all. lol That's my point. There's more raw or overall talent and heart (however you want to word this) that went into the music back then.

I can understand that point of view. I was raised on classic rock (even though, in my middle school days, I was straight hip hop), so of course that's what I gravitate towards and appreciate the most. That's reasonable. Even still, I think that today's music is the worst. I'm not a fan of 90s music, but it's tolerable. Today's music is so reproduced and replayed that it doesn't have that same umph to it that it used to have. Of course, what you said plays a role in this.

Here's the beautiful part about this....ready...it's all subjective! That's how you feel well alright! That's great! But at the end of the day it's just an opinion.

 

[A$AP Wap]

i'm more influenced by the underground rappers who are still grinding

 

[~Ethereal~]

I see.

 

[Yusuke Urameshi]

Here's the beautiful part about this....ready...it's all subjective! That's how you feel? Well alright! That's great! But at the end of the day it's just an opinion.

But it's not all subjective. You're one of those eggheads that I described that thinks that objectivity isn't a feasible thing. Because of your own opinions (and because you think everything is an opinion), you can't see anything as objective. It's a weird concept, I know.

 

[Kaneki Kun]

But it's not all subjective. You're one of those eggheads that I described that thinks that objectivity isn't a feasible thing. Because of your own opinions (and because you think everything is an opinion), you can't see anything as objective. It's a weird concept, I know.

Ignorance is bliss.
Well everyone today was fun but it's time to KO!

 

[Punk Hazard]

So you're saying that the lyrics back in the day are easily matched by today's music (or, at least, by the people you mentioned)? I can understand that. But there's so much more that went in to the music back then. It wasn't one guy spewing words out of his mouth with a monotonous bass line or a catchy beat. Back in the day, there was a singer, and a drummer, and a bassist, and a guitarist, and typically, other people in the band that added their own swing onto things. As you say yourself, the only type of talent that is matched by that of today's music would be the lyrical talent. You can't honestly say that the musical talent is nearly close at all. lol That's my point. There's more raw or overall talent and heart (however you want to word this) that went into the music back then.

I can understand that point of view. I was raised on classic rock (even though, in my middle school days, I was straight hip hop), so of course that's what I gravitate towards and appreciate the most. That's reasonable. Even still, I think that today's music is the worst. I'm not a fan of 90s music, but it's tolerable. Today's music is so reproduced and replayed that it doesn't have that same umph to it that it used to have. Of course, what you said plays a role in this.

Sorry, I forgot having more people involved in the making of the song automatically means it's better.

No, I can't and won't say there was. Thing is, music today, there's the sound of a guitar, a bass, a drum, a piano, a violin, all that good shit. Just because it was created by one person who spent hours and hours at a control panel as opposed to multiple people spending hours and hours at the real instrument doesn't mean that the former is automatically inferior. In fact, they're equivalent. In order to make a good song using a guitar, you need to have an ear for all the sounds the guitar makes, how to blend those sounds together, how to blend those sounds with the sounds of other instruments(all one set of talent) and then have the talent of actually being able to work and play the instruments to produce the sound. A modern day producer like Dr. Dre or Earl Sweatshirt or Kanye West or Mac Miller or Top Dawg still needs that talent/ear for all the sounds and how to blend them, as well as knowing how to work a control panel. Working a guitar is simply a counterpart to working a control panel.

Not only that, but if a band from ¨back in the day¨ needs a bunch of people to create an instrumental that Dr. Dre or any of the aforementioned people along with the hundreds of artists nowadays can create on their own by their lonesome with a control panel, that could arguably mean they have an even greater ear for music than the individual bandmembers since they may have to stick their one thing while these guys are juggling multiple things. Not mention many of these guys, such as Tyler, the Creator and Earl Sweatshirt, who make their instrumentals, can do so because they can play physical instruments as well.

That ****ing sucks for you. Honestly, when I read that, I didn't think ¨Time to debunk this.¨ I just felt sad. Music is one of the most beautiful things in the world. To constantly hate what's coming out just because it's not the same as what you initially fell in love, to be unable to appreciate some of the truly great art that has come out, that's just