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Um nagato was OP.
It didn't really take a toll on him because he was a uzumaki which have large chakra pools and are known for long lives.

Since when did hashi have knowledge on kamui?

If character A has characters B dna, then Character A (edo madara) has a advantage against Character B(hashirama)
 

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I think you misunderstanding on Hashi DNA madara has.

Madara can indeed do all of the techs hashirama can do in his basic form

However hashiramas senpou mokuton jutsus are obviously exclusive to Hashirama, like shinsuunsenju
 

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Hashirama > Obito


OT: Good thread this deserves rep but gotta spread
 

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People forget that rinnegan allows its' user to create jutsus. Madara can use what ever he thinks of.
 

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When Obito can tell the difference between Hashi's wood clones...... we will talk ;] Touching Obito is not hard.. he kamui's Hashi wood clone.. Hashirama forces Obito to Kamui again.. and then the clone in other dimension finishes off Obito.. Good?

I really don't lol.



This makes sense every jutsu has a weakness you back Obito into a corner he'll just Kamui then you give him another reason to do it again and if you have someone on the other side he's toast double edged sword..
 

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you are right sir dont listen to some of these bumms
 

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Its Manga fact that the sage is the only one known to do that, yes.

Has Nagato be proven to do that? NO.

Yes he has actually. He created that rain jutsu.

Rinnegan isn't just the 6 paths of pain.
 

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I wanna say Madara CAN use Buddha's Wood, but Mokuton isn't his natural KKG. The same thing as Kakashi. The Sharingan isn't his, so he can't control it as well, but can still use techniques that an Uchiha can.

i doubt that
 

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Hey fuccboy how about you counter my argument instead of resorting to ad hominem?

umm .. u have some arguments :| ??

How will a tree ever touch Nagato when he's flying?

How will Hashi ever touch Obito with his Kamui?

FACE IT, IT'S THE MATCHUPS MAN

Ohh .. I see these are ur arguments =)

People forget that rinnegan allows its' user to create jutsus. Madara can use what ever he thinks of.

Really :eek: .... now we will see some badazz new jutsu's from madara then ;)

You forget that the ONLY ONE known to do that was the sage.
shes right :y

Yes he has actually. He created that rain jutsu.

Rinnegan isn't just the 6 paths of pain.

well thats a new thing we have here :rolleyes:
 

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Oh... Oh dear God. Seriously, the brave resolve you have to create this thread (you and anybody else who could have made a similar thread which I missed) is making me wet my pants. You, sir, are bold. You have a set of balls made of steel. They say people are often scared of proving they are right, because ignorants are swarming and hunting them constantly like mosquitoes. But you not only don't give a shi*t about the mosquitoes, but also don't wear any repelent. Like a bau5. I respect you.


Back on topic, of course you are right. I mean, seriously, what is up with some people's logic...? Oh, I see. There is no logic in their brains to begin with. For the love of Ino's sexy ass, how in the HELL would Madara's petty little Hashirama DNA experiment grant him as much power as the one Hashirama has himself? That makes no sense!! It's like saying: "Okay, Obito has Madara's eyes, so now he can put an armor made of Susanoo around the Juubi"... Is Facepalm enough for this? I kind of don't think so.

You can have someone's DNA or somehow copy his or her techniques, but unless you aim to surpass them on your own way or you get their personal training and tips, you won't be able to have the same skills and power. That is, if you even CAN have the SAME techniques. I get that so far we haven't seen much of Madara's Mokuton to compare it to Hashirama's... But from what we DID see, we are able to tell the difference of levels. And if what Hashirama did on last Manga was Sage Mode (I think it is, because Senpou means Hermit Arts or Sage Tech), then that makes it even clearer.

Madara's talent comes from his eyes. He's trying to play God, trying to be like the Sage of The Six Paths (so is Obito in a way), he thinks having only Hashirama's DNA (which can be considered as the Senju Clan's most precious DNA) grants him enough "life force" or "vital power" to use the Sage's Power as soon as he seals the Juubi inside him, but he's wrong. The Sage of Six Path's Vital Power didn't come from neither DNA nor the Juubi itself. The Sage was born with it and it came from his own body, it was his own "flame of life".

If it had been possible for ANYBODY to be a second Sage of the Six Paths, then his Sons would have been the right examples. But none of them could, because they were already divided in two. So what, DNA from a far, incredibly far relative from the Sage and a powerful EMS/Rinnegan already make you the Sage's Reincarnation? Please. Gods are Gods. Humans are Humans. Madara can never be more than Hashirama, despite anything he tries. That's the end of it.
 

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Oh... Oh dear God. Seriously, the brave resolve you have to create this thread (you and anybody else who could have made a similar thread which I missed) is making me wet my pants. You, sir, are bold. You have a set of balls made of steel. They say people are often scared of proving they are right, because ignorants are swarming and hunting them constantly like mosquitoes. But you not only don't give a shi*t about the mosquitoes, but also don't wear any repelent. Like a bau5. I respect you.


Back on topic, of course you are right. I mean, seriously, what is up with some people's logic...? Oh, I see. There is no logic in their brains to begin with. For the love of Ino's sexy ass, how in the HELL would Madara's petty little Hashirama DNA experiment grant him as much power as the one Hashirama has himself? That makes no sense!! It's like saying: "Okay, Obito has Madara's eyes, so now he can put an armor made of Susanoo around the Juubi"... Is Facepalm enough for this? I kind of don't think so.

You can have someone's DNA or somehow copy his or her techniques, but unless you aim to surpass them on your own way or you get their personal training and tips, you won't be able to have the same skills and power. That is, if you even CAN have the SAME techniques. I get that so far we haven't seen much of Madara's Mokuton to compare it to Hashirama's... But from what we DID see, we are able to tell the difference of levels. And if what Hashirama did on last Manga was Sage Mode (I think it is, because Senpou means Hermit Arts or Sage Tech), then that makes it even clearer.

Madara's talent comes from his eyes. He's trying to play God, trying to be like the Sage of The Six Paths (so is Obito in a way), he thinks having only Hashirama's DNA (which can be considered as the Senju Clan's most precious DNA) grants him enough "life force" or "vital power" to use the Sage's Power as soon as he seals the Juubi inside him, but he's wrong. The Sage of Six Path's Vital Power didn't come from neither DNA nor the Juubi itself. The Sage was born with it and it came from his own body, it was his own "flame of life".

If it had been possible for ANYBODY to be a second Sage of the Six Paths, then his Sons would have been the right examples. But none of them could, because they were already divided in two. So what, DNA from a far, incredibly far relative from the Sage and a powerful EMS/Rinnegan already make you the Sage's Reincarnation? Please. Gods are Gods. Humans are Humans. Madara can never be more than Hashirama, despite anything he tries. That's the end of it.



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@Bold There's a reason why Obito and Yamato cannot do the moves Madara has shown. Let's not forget Kabuto's improvement. You can say this is his 'own way'. You shouldn't make it seem like others are so idiotic for believing Madara's Mokuton Techs are on the same scale as Hashirama's.



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