Most Cacnerous to the Leaf Village?

[Hori]

This is the thread that has quite good reasoning behind I've seen this year, good work guys.

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Now back to the topic I agree with Jiraiya but for me Hashirama is the one

1. he created the village system so anything that happened is because of him

 

[TheSageOfNinetails]

Jiraiya
1. Jiraiya taught Pain
2. Jiraiya taught Minato which lead to Obito
3. Refuse to be hokage
4. Wasn't around to stop 9 tails attack on the village
5. Could not stop Orchimaru when he attacked the village or when he left
6. Who did he beat in a battle? ( lost to hanzo and pain)

And, if you're going to use logic like this, then you can trace everything back to Kaguya for stealing chakra in the first place.

This type of logic just isn't right.

 

[Hori]

And, if you're going to use logic like this, then you can trace everything back to Kaguya for stealing chakra in the first place.

This type of logic just isn't right.

Agreed but by your logic this goes back to the tree chakra to which why it existed... because if it didn't then there would be no one fighting using devastating moves. Lol this this logic.....

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[TheSageOfNinetails]

Agreed but by your logic this goes back to the tree chakra to which why it existed... because if it didn't then there would be no one fighting using devastating moves. Lol this this logic.....

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This isn't my logic, I'm simply pointing out why his logic is flawed, he believes that he is responsible soley because he is the one who taught him.

he failed to take into account the decisions and choices Nagato made on his own.

 

[ToadSageNaruto]

And, if you're going to use logic like this, then you can trace everything back to Kaguya for stealing chakra in the first place.

This type of logic just isn't right.

lol found this hilarious. like tracing everything back to eve eating that apple.

 

[Ojdidit]

Or maybe just the nature of man kind

 

[TheSageOfNinetails]

Or maybe just the nature of man kind

You do realize no one can follow your conversation correctly if you don't quote the post you're responding to, right?

 

[sharingansennin]

Hiruzens Good Nature and Trusting Attitude led to the following:

-Danzo's ability to do experiments and do f'd up shit

-Orochimaru's hate for not becoming hokage

-His loss(great power) due to his demise

-He was a good person but he was too trusting and he wouldn't investigate