Most “Evil” Villain: Tobi OR Lord Orochimaru

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Most “Evil” Villain: Tobi OR Lord Orochimaru




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Note: “Evil” in this context means “Sadistic”.
Not most “powerful” or “mysterious” or “intelligent” or “successful” or plain “antagonist”.
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INTRODUCTION

I created this thread in order to illustrate the two most “Evil” villains in the Naruto Series. Its time to debate and give the crown to the Most Evil Villain Alive!!!
Below is helpful information regarding both shinobi in order to help people formulate intelligent opinions about this subject. You do not need to read the rest of this thread before posting--its here for assistance only. Please do not write your personal choice without giving any supporting evidence for your final judgement.
Let the debate begin!!!






REASONS FOR BEING “EVIL”

Tobi: Unknown (My Theory: The Death of Himself AND his brother, Madara)
Orochimaru: Death of his parents.
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ULTIMATE PLAN

Tobi: Global Domination through “Tsuki no Me Keikaku” (Tobi's version of “peace”)
Orochimaru: Find a suitable body and become the “Ultimate Being” in order to: 1)To study all Kinjutsus and learn all ninjutsu; 2) Solve the mystery of Immortality.
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SADISTIC EXPERIMENT PREFERENCE

Tobi: Laboratory of Eyes
Orochimaru: Laboratory of Bodies
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LEADERSHIP ROLES

Tobi: Played an integral role in the formation of the Akatsuki. Controlled the Kirigakure village via 4th Mizukage, and initiated the “blood mist” era. Started the 4th Shinobi World War BY HIMSELF. Surgically switched Sasuke's eyes, plus his own on multiple occasions.
Orochimaru: Created the Village hidden in Sound. Mentor for both Sasuke and Kabuto, two of the strongest shinobi to date. Managed many hideouts with countless prisoners hidden in a world of sensory shinobi. Manipulated the entire village of Sunagakure into invading Konoha, by posing as the Fourth Kazekage. Gave wood release to Yamato, implanted the sharigans and 1st Hokage cells to Danzou. Gave snake techniques/curse mark power to many shinobi. Researched all the info needed to give the current Kabuto his body upgrades.
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NOTABLE KILLING SPREES

Tobi: Attacked Konoha (unsuccessfully), then initiated the 2nd Konoha attack via Nagato. Assisted in the massacre of the Uchiha Clan. Ordered the capture/killing of all current Jinchurriki. Initiated the “bloody mist” era where many young shinobi were sacrificed to promote the survival of the fittest. Fourth Shinobi World War... nuff said.
Orochimaru: Attacked Konoha. Acquired a great number of shinobi and forced them all to battle to the death on numerous occasions to find new vessels. Sacrificed many shinobi to create/perfect the cursed seal of Earth/Heaven. Killed close to 60 shinobi when doing the initial research on the 1st Hokage's Cells. Killed every one of his “host” bodies (Gen'yūmaru, etc). Killed a team of Kusagakure genin and impersonated Shiore so that he could infiltrate the Forest of Death.
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MOST NOTABLE SHINOBI KILLED

Tobi: Naruto’s Parents. 4th Mizukage Yagura. (Maybe by Madara). Konan. Fu & Torune.
Orochimaru: 3rd Hokage. 4th Kazekage.
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MY VERDICT:

Lord Orochimaru is the Most Evil Villain this series has ever seen, the true definition of EVIL in its purest sense. He is sadistic, selfish, disgusting, heartless and emotionless (Root). He is the only shinobi that seems not to be motivated by some warped sense of “peace” (Madara, Tobi, Pein, Danzou) except for his subordinate, Kabuto (of course).
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Note: Kabuto and Pein are NOT included in the debate for the title of “most evil villain” because they are the direct subordinates of the 2 shinobi illustrated in this Thread. Both Kabuto and Pein obtained the majority of their powers/intent from their sensei.

Side Note: In my opinion, Tobi has already accomplished his plan for the most part. His true intention was to find a way to create peace, and willingly or unwillingly, he did so through creating a world war against ALL shinobi, which are now in alliance. It wouldn’t surprise me if his plan from the beginning was to united the shinobi world and show them the error of their ways. Tobi really is a good boy 
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The first time I have no objection against the word 'Lord' in front of a character name :|, I want to explain why I think Oro is the ultimate villain but you already stated everything. +rep
 

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Tobi he's the reason the uchiha clan were wiped, out and the reason Naruto lost his parent and much more plus tobi would own Oro
 

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That is a brilliant assertion concerning Tobi's true goal. I never thought about it that way. Tobi really is a good boy.
 

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Orochimaru use to do experiments on kids and he was very cruel, definitely the best villain of the series and not a pussy like tobi
 

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Yeah, Oro has it hands down. He manipulated so many people. Countless lives he ended all for the advancement of his powers. AND he isn't motivated by a higher cause/purpose like 'peace' or something like that, it was all for him.
 

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Good summary, i agree with you
 

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I would say Oro.But Tobi is still a mysterious person and there Is a big gap in the story,which includes what has he been doing how he got his abilities etc..
 

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I would say Oro.But Tobi is still a mysterious person and there Is a big gap in the story,which includes what has he been doing how he got his abilities etc..

what does that have too do with being evil
 

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tobi is tying to take the world over tobi is most evil villian
 

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Orochimaru use to do experiments on kids and he was very cruel, definitely the best villain of the series and not a pussy like tobi
How dare you call Tobi a pûssy...
 

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Tobi he's the reason the uchiha clan were wiped, out and the reason Naruto lost his parent and much more plus tobi would own Oro


1) We dont TRULY know if that was Tobi or Madara attacking Konoha. We dont TRULY know if Tobi or Madara attacked Naruto at birth. But I agree it was Tobi.

2) But you THINK that Tobi would get owned by Orochimaru. I dont like statements like this without proof, b/c Lord Orochimaru is strong as Hell. If Orochimaru comes back to life, a True Dragon Sage with all the upgrades that Kabuto has AND Uchiha eyes... we will see who is TRULY strongest!!!







Again, I dont like this. If you feel Orochimaru isnt the most evil villain, please site sources or something that sounds educated!



I would say Oro.But Tobi is still a mysterious person and there Is a big gap in the story,which includes what has he been doing how he got his abilities etc..


"Mysterious" was a description that I asked people NOT to evaluate this debate on. We dont know ALL the history of Tobi obviously but as we have just seen (Oro in Root) we also don't know ALL of Orochimaru's past. But we do know what sick s**t Orochimaru did to get alot of his "abilities". Please further elaborate on this arguement.



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tobi is tying to take the world over tobi is most evil villian


I'm sorry to post back-to-back (dont tell the admin on me lol) but i HAD to reply, i just saw this late.


EVERY EVIL VILLAIN IN THE HISTORY OF FREAKIN' VILLAINS HAD AN OBJECTIVE TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD.


Please dont tell me THIS was your arguement...? LOL




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I could say that they are both evil but in different ways.

Tobi is evil because he is trying to take over the world. No matter HOW you look at it, the concept is still the same. It might be for "peace", but he more or less wants to take away peoples free will and play God with the lives of the Shinobi.

Orochimaru is evil because he's twisted.
 

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Once I know Tobi's background and motives then I will judge
 

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Orochimaru because everything he was doing he was doing for himself not like Tobi who wants to bring peace in the world
 

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I could say that they are both evil but in different ways.

Tobi is evil because he is trying to take over the world. No matter HOW you look at it, the concept is still the same. It might be for "peace", but he more or less wants to take away peoples free will and play God with the lives of the Shinobi.

Orochimaru is evil because he's twisted.


Yes, I know they are different people. Thats why in the beginning of the thread I described what "evil" meant in this context. According to what you just said... you'd find Orochimaru as the most evil, correct? FYI damn near all villains are trying to take over the world, nothing new there.



Once I know Tobi's background and motives then I will judge


Damn. Good answer. I'm still waiting on the background story on Tobi but I have a feeling thats damn near MONTHS away from this knowledge coming to light. Also... Dont forget... we also havent seen the "whole" of Orochimaru's past and motives too (i.e. Oro being in the Root). FYI




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Orochimaru is definitely the undisputed "most evil villain".

You've already pointed out all the most obvious reasons. He was a sadistic psychopath. So what else is there to say?

O.K. here's some of the less obvious reasons why he's the most evil:
  • He intensely desired Sasuke's body...:|
  • He looked like a snake
  • He's MJ with a crappy snake disguise
  • He vomited all kinds of weird crap
  • He had his own sinister theme music
  • He copied my hair style
 
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