[Predictions] More Than One Man Behind The Mask
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EmperorIssun
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EmperorIssun
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In my opinion this is the most plausible explanation, but I don't think so. I think Kishi is just being inconsistent. He already trampled on Kakashi Gaiden and the Databooks with this chapter after all. (Minato becoming Hokage before the Battle of Kannabi Bridge and Kakashi's age when he was promoted to Chuunin)
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rememb when everyone thought tobi was madara? people made theories about him not being madara and people said the same:
"shut up and accept the truth"
everything can happend in Naruto.. just let kishi explain
ghost nappa
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I made a thread similar to this a couple hours ago, but it didn't get any replies. Logic dictates that it couldn't have been Obito the entire time, and the appearance of edo Madara implies that he didn't die at an old age. There really has to be another character in there that we don't know about yet.
Haha sorry I noticed my post had some stuff missing, jiraya trained nagano right after 2nd ninja war. Kakashi was part of 3rd ninja war. Kakashi was jounin at the time of 3rd ninja war. We know Kakashi became jounin at 16. So it's possible jiraya was already their sensei when he was training Nagato.
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I know that, its strange, but characters in Naruto are always more mature than they look...even their voices...Itachi also seemed to be about 20 when he killed the clan...and he had 2 yrs to train, and maybe/probably Madara helped him. Even Sasuke learned to control the kyuubi, and he also spent only 2 yrs with Oro.So it wasnt all of a sudden.
Sorry I stopped reading when you started to list that Tobi gave the rinnegan to Nagato . Apologies.
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Nice theory. It would certainly answer a lot of the questions concerning the time line. The only thing I know for sure is the current man behind the mask calling himself Tobi IS OBITO.
Warjester33
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Guys it's very simple, the mask is like Orochimaru's mask which makes him seem like tobi at all times in the same body, but the real man who is known as tobi is using obito's body. We know that Orochimaru wants a uchiha body above all things and we can see why it must last longer then any other body. Therefore the obsession with sasuke. Addition evidence to this is that tobi and Orochimaru worked together in the past.
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Well isn't there a huge gap between those wars? The 2nd War was the war that got them the name, the Legendary Sannin. Jiraiya never left Ame after fighting with Hanzo with the Sannin. When he left Ame he returned to Konoha and took on Minato as his apprentice.
apple pie of doom
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Then explain this.
Tobi used the space-time jutsu we see him use in this time when he attacked Konoha.
And that while he impossibly could have been obito?
Plothole.
Tobi used the space-time jutsu we see him use in this time when he attacked Konoha.
And that while he impossibly could have been obito?
Plothole.
yellowxflash
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YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES!!!Now I know a lot of people are going crazy, organizing the facts we have been given regarding Tobi, and finding plot holes regarding Tobi's age and stuff. SO first let's get down to that.
We'll be using Kakashi as our reference age because we can assume that he and Obito are the same age because they were on a team together. So as of now Kakashi is 30 years old.
Tobi has done many things through out his life which include:
Whether you believe it or not Kishi has made it very obvious that it is Obito who was under the mask, however it does not explain how Obito, who is roughly 30 years old, could do all those things, especially when most of these events occurred 16 years before the start of the series, when he was 14. For example, giving Nagato the Rinnengan. Nagato was the apprentice of Jiraiya before he took on Minato as his apprentice, way before Obito became a shinobi. Also Yagura was Mizukage while Zabuza was an academy student. That is when Kirigakure was called the Village of the Bloody Mist and had the tradition of killing your fellow classmates to graduate. Zabuza and Kakashi are the same age Obito could not have been Tobi at that time. However in present time, Tobi removed his mask to show Kisame who he really was and Kisame recognized him? :/
- Giving Nagato his Rinnengan
- Convincing Yahiko to form Akatsuki
- Controlling Yagura, the Fourth MizuKage
- Attacking Konoha and Stealing the Ninetailed-Fox
- Aiding Itachi in the Uchiha Massacre
So how is this possible? Well if you recall, Tobi once took on the identity of Madara. I think that Tobi has been several different people and Obito is the current Tobi. I think those who assume the identity of Tobi all share the ideal of The Moon's Eye Plan. Madara even mentions the Moon's Eye Plan to the Tsuchikage during their battle (Ch. 562, Page 4)
I think that Uchiha Madara was the founder of the identity of Tobi and was the very first Tobi. This explains how Tobi had the Rinnengan (which was awakened by Madara before his death). However that means that there must have been other people who acted as Tobi before Obito and after Madara. They have access to many Sharingan (Ch. 482, Page 482). This would explain how Tobi would have certain Sharingan powers at certain periods of time. To conclude think of Tobi as an ideal, not a person. He is many people who share the same vision and those people include, Madara Uchiha and Obito Uchiha. I hope this helps
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yellowxflash
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who ever tobi is zetsu surely knows and has been with him the whole time since the start thats my opinion anyway. i dont think zetsu is from a clan either i think he is a creation he's been tailored to be his eyes and ears without showing any signs he was ever there.
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I think the concept of Tobi is that whoever assumes the identity of Tobi takes on the history of Tobi's actions. That's why Obito (who is the current Tobi) says that HE gave Nagato the Rinnengan, HE convinced Yahiko to create Akatsuki. So when Kakashi asks Tobi where he got his Sharingan. Tobi says he acquired it fom the battle at the Bridge place. He says this because he is assuming the identity of Tobi. Whoever was Tobi before Obito found him there and acquired Obito's Sharingan. I guess when you share an identity, you share your resources.
I too believe (and have believed for a while) that Tobi's assertion that he is "No One" is the literal truth - i.e. he is not any one person, but a construct of some kind. However, I doubt it's the same jutsu that Orochimaru uses, because Orochimaru does not retain the original body's memories.
Could Tobi be an advanced form of Edo Tensei that combines personalities and memories from other resources? He may have benefited from using Zetsu, who can perfectly impersonate other people's appearance, chakra and abilities, but not their memories.