More abhorrent executive orders from Trump.

[Ciao]

You make me wish we could just check off things we want our tax payer dollars to not support

Hell we could do it every year for tax time. Just check the boxes in the questionnaire on turbo tax

You can do this by voting. Most taxes people pay aren't Federal but rather state and local.

 

[Jazzy Stardust]

Using the separation of Church and State in issues like abortion is a terrible argument because it boils down to "separate answers to ethical questions which I don't like from the state" to which I say a big NO.

uhh, this doesnt make sense to me. seperation of church and state isnt regarding each indivual state, its a metaphor for the philosophy of our government as a whole

 

[kimb]

I don't see why it's the government's responsibility to fund women's abortion clinics. Women should have freedom to have an abortion as they please, but not at the expense of tax payer dollars. They're already demanding tampons be subsidized as well, I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to push a bill that made Bras subsized too.

 

[Lightbringer]

when another human being is growing inside of them, it stops being their own bodies.

it's also funny how you don't have a single plan yourself that sounds exponentially better than the current administration, but it didn't stop you from bellyaching about Trump's executive orders being abhorrent.

Science says otherwise.

I don't see how me having to come up with a plan has any bearing on issue? But, I already indulged you on that point and I just gave you one. Single-payer healthcare.

And even still, the GOP has no replacement to Obamacare and yet they are repealing it. The majority of Trump supporters already have buyer's remorse for voting for Trump because they didn't think he was serious about getting rid of it, or they didn't know that Obamacare and the ACA were the same thing.

That's what's really funny.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Planned parenthood is subsidized and accepts donations for abortions
That means tax payers who don't support abortions have to pay for other people's abortions

What if some people don't support public schools? Should we defund public education because some people don't agree with it?

 

[WalksInShadows]

Science says otherwise.

I don't see how me having to come up with a plan has any bearing on issue? But, I already indulged you on that point and I just gave you one. Single-payer healthcare.

And even still, the GOP has no replacement to Obamacare and yet they are repealing it. The majority of Trump supporters already have buyer's remorse for voting for Trump because they didn't think he was serious about getting rid of it, or they didn't know that Obamacare and the ACA were the same thing.

That's what's really funny.

what's funny is that you consider an executive order that prevents babies from being murdered "abhorrent".

 

[chopstickchakra]

what r u talking about? the protest was real.

[video=youtube;F_lLtZfzvx4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_lLtZfzvx4[/video]

The protest was real, yes but not the scope reported. That's why I mentioned the specific fake photo that people were citing, to make sure he meant the actual protests and not the dramatized one.

 

[Lightbringer]

what's funny is that you consider an executive order that prevents babies from being murdered "abhorrent".

So no response to my other points? Funny.

Except it's not murder nor is it a fully functional baby.

But I enjoy your misleading phrasing of a common debunked argument that strips away women's rights.

 

[Lightbringer]

The protest was real, yes but not the scope reported. That's why I mentioned the specific fake photo that people were citing, to make sure he meant the actual protests and not the dramatized one.

I think you're confusing the protest I was referring to.

The huge protest I was talking about was the Women's March, which was the largest in U.S. history. It also happened internationally to protest Trump.

You must be registered for see links

I talked about two protests in my thread. The DAPL protest and the Women's March. Too different protests and two very different proportions.

 

[WalksInShadows]

So no response to my other points? Funny.

Except it's not murder nor is it a fully functional baby.

But I enjoy your misleading phrasing of a common debunked argument that strips away women's rights.

the government also has laws that doesn't allow ppl to use their bodies to inflict harm on somebody else. But go right ahead and continue trying to morally high ground me with an argument about how it shouldn't be unlawful for somebody to endanger somebody else well-being/existence with some conspiracy theorist nonsense about how the government is trying to control others' body.

The government doesn't tell women they can't do anything with their own bodies with anti-abortion legislature Einstein, they're trying to protect somebody else's inherent right to exist. With all of your attempts to sound like you're smarter than ppl who dare themselves to oppose your views, it's no surprise that you fail to realize that.

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

Planned parenthood is subsidized and accepts donations for abortions
That means tax payers who don't support abortions have to pay for other people's abortions

Isn't it silly how the government doesn't provide healthcare but they give abortions? Lmao

 

[Lightbringer]

the government also has laws that doesn't allow ppl to use their bodies to inflict harm on somebody else. But go right ahead and continue trying to morally high ground me with an argument about how it shouldn't be unlawful for somebody to endanger somebody else well-being/existence with some conspiracy theorist nonsense about how the government is trying to control others' body.

The government doesn't tell women they can't do anything with their own bodies with anti-abortion legislature Einstein, they're trying to protect somebody else's inherent right to exist. With all of your attempts to sound like you're smarter than ppl who dare themselves to oppose your views, it's no surprise that you haven't realized that.

Well genius, the way to reduce abortion is not by outlawing or reducing legal access to it. Women tend to just find other ways to have abortions, and those methods tend to be far more likely to cause serious harm to the woman. In other words: outlawing abortion doesn’t save babies, it just kills girls and women.

And by defunding these programs, you are making access to contraceptive measures to prevent pregnancies harder for people to get.

A fetus can't survive on its own. It is fully dependent on its mother's body, unlike born human beings. The "right to life" also doesn't imply a right to live by threatening somebody else's life. Bearing children is always a threat the life of the mother

A "right to life" is, at the end of the day, a right to not have somebody else's will imposed upon your body. Do women not have this right as well?

It's funny because the original reason for abortions being made illegal in the U.S. had nothing to do with morals in the decision. So you essentially just drank the koolaid and are regurgitating unsubstantiated talking points.




[video=youtube;g6NvkLq7KYk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6NvkLq7KYk[/video]

 

[BenjerminGaye]

What if some people don't support public schools? Should we defund public education because some people don't agree with it?

I have a video on that and its being done as we speak.

 

[Sagebee]

Honestly people aren't going to care till it directly effects them so if he can keep his base happy he's good

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Honestly people aren't going to care till it directly effects them so if he can keep his base happy he's good

2A4Lyfe

 

[Adam Driver]

Well genius, the way to reduce abortion is not by outlawing or reducing legal access to it. Women tend to just find other ways to have abortions, and those methods tend to be far more likely to cause serious harm to the woman. In other words: outlawing abortion doesn’t save babies, it just kills girls and women.

And by defunding these programs, you are making access to contraceptive measures to prevent pregnancies harder for people to get.

A fetus can't survive on its own. It is fully dependent on its mother's body, unlike born human beings. The "right to life" also doesn't imply a right to live by threatening somebody else's life. Bearing children is always a threat the life of the mother

A "right to life" is, at the end of the day, a right to not have somebody else's will imposed upon your body. Do women not have this right as well?

It's funny because the original reason for abortions being made illegal in the U.S. had nothing to do with morals in the decision. So you essentially just drank the koolaid and are regurgitating unsubstantiated talking point

@bold well yeah a fetus needs the mother much like an adult who's on life support is dependent on a machine that's keeping him from dying when his own body cannot currently support his own life. Wouldn't make it right to end him just because he can't support it at the moment..

As for abortion in general by the earliest phase to get an abortion within that 3 weeks in period already a spinal column is forming with major organs forming, along with a beating heart. And to dictate that this isn't human life just because the fetus can't support its own is contradiction to biology.
I do agree for women to have abortion at the earliest possible (safest) chance if they're rape victims but it's abhorrent for women to get an abortion just because this new life being created in the womb is an inconvenience to them and their wallets
By the way my view on this isn't based on any religious belief as I don't believe in that fairy stuff, only the real beauty that's science xd

 

[Lightbringer]

@bold well yeah a fetus needs the mother much like an adult who's on life support is dependent on a machine that's keeping him from dying when his own body cannot currently support his own life. Wouldn't make it right to end him just because he can't support it at the moment..

As for abortion in general by the earliest phase to get an abortion within that 3 weeks in period already a spinal column is forming with major organs forming, along with a beating heart. And to dictate that this isn't human life just because the fetus can't support its own is contradiction to biology.
I do agree for women to have abortion at the earliest possible (safest) chance if they're rape victims but it's abhorrent for women to get an abortion just because this new life being created in the womb is an inconvenience to them and their wallets
By the way my view on this isn't based on any religious belief as I don't believe in that fairy stuff, only the real beauty that's science xd

Well like I said, simply making abortion illegal and restricting access to these institutions, does not lessen abortions. Women will just seek out more unsafe means of doing so.

If you really want to lessen abortion, then you'd have to support institutions that provide contraceptive services, which Donald Trump is currently defunding.

And the obvious is building a better economy and support social programs which will enable families to be able to raise their child rather than aborting them on the basis of it being an economic burden.

 

[Dannie]

Definitely the wrong course of action. If he wants to decrease the abortion rate then maybe he should focus more on increasing the access rate of birth control, but since he is making it worse by not even helping these institutions or clinics, he is probably just making things worse. Just like Trump, I am also pro-life, so I never agreed with, or liked the idea of abortion, but I can also see why some women might want to get it, depending on their situation.

I also think it's really silly to call something that prevents such actions like funding abortion clinics "abhorrent", or maybe you were talking about the actual damage it will cause on these health institutions? Many people(mostly women) are only focusing on the abortion issue anyway.

I do agree with the point that this will not make abortions go away, it will just cause more women to go to the extremes to get them and if the woman is in dire critical situation that could effect her life, then that is also dangerous, but it is not like he is making abortions completely illegal.

From the view point of a rape victim, I can see why they would want to get rid of it, as they don't want to have the thought of keeping a child that was forced into them unwillingly, and the huge trauma that it causes on them, some are even scared to mention it to others and just want to keep quiet about it, so they just get an abortion to forget like it never happened, so that should be the only instance when they should be forced to kill it. I can see why some women might not want to carry that child for 9 months, considering it is not a child that they originally wanted.

But what about those women that want to willingly have *** without knowing the consequences, so they just want to get an abortion because they don't want to keep it, or because they can't afford it? What is their excuse? I don't think it is a very good one.

I have mixed emotions about this topic, but I am not even a woman so why tf do I care?

 

[Lightbringer]

Definitely the wrong course of action. If he wants to decrease the abortion rate then maybe he should focus more on increasing the access rate of birth control, but since he is making it worse by not even helping these institutions or clinics, he is probably just making things worse. Just like Trump, I am also pro-life, so I never agreed with, or liked the idea of abortion, but I can also see why some women might want to get it, depending on their situation.

I also think it's really silly to call something that prevents such actions like funding abortion clinics "abhorrent", or maybe you were talking about the actual damage it will cause on these health institutions? Many people(mostly women) are only focusing on the abortion issue anyway.

I do agree with the point that this will not make abortions go away, it will just cause more women to go to the extremes to get them and if the woman is in dire critical situation that could effect her life, then that is also dangerous, but it is not like he is making abortions completely illegal.

From the view point of a rape victim, I can see why they would want to get rid of it, as they don't want to have the thought of keeping a child that was forced into them unwillingly, and the huge trauma that it causes on them, some are even scared to mention it to others and just want to keep quiet about it, so they just get an abortion to forget like it never happened, so that should be the only instance when they should be forced to kill it. I can see why some women might not want to carry that child for 9 months, considering it is not a child that they originally wanted.

But what about those women that want to willingly have *** without knowing the consequences, so they just want to get an abortion because they don't want to keep it, or because they can't afford it? What is their excuse? I don't think it is a very good one.

I have mixed emotions about this topic, but I am not even a woman so why tf do I care?

Well to your last point, accidents happen. I don't believe having people abstain from having *** with their significant is going to make things better, in fact, it will probably do the opposite as sexual frustration is a real thing.

I'd argue that if a mother knows she won't be able to provide for her child, it's actually more responsible to have an abortion, and in doing so prevent a whole lot of undue suffering and misery.

And again, not everyone has easy access to contraceptive methods and no method is 100% effective.

But it can affect you too. If you have *** with a girl and accidentally get her pregnant, will you be ready to bear the responsibility of raising and supporting the child?

 

[Avani]

Planned parenthood is subsidized and accepts donations for abortions
That means tax payers who don't support abortions have to pay for other people's abortions

People who wanted to have abortions or support it, also have to pay tax and that money gets diverted to upkeep of many facilities used by anti-abortionists . ... Isn't it?

It's simply people letting their personal beliefs encroach others and depriving them of better options.