[Discussion] Monkey D. Garp vs Edward Newgate

[Bogard]

Garp is known to be the one who cornered roger and they almost got killed by each other not WB and i don't know why you think garp is weak.Garp is known as the hero & strongest among marines.roger trusted a marine to raise his child not WB itself shows the trust that roger had in garp and his strength.Garp has haki & he tried to kill akainu without any fear(many people say akainu is the strongest of admirals) and sengoku stopped him.so he is clearly strong.

If he could kill Roger, he would have captured him and we both know he didn't. Weaker individuals can corner people(Shiki cornered Roger himself and they were only saved due to weather condition in their favor), especially when we don't know the means he used to accomplish this(maybe he had thousand allies and prepared plans), neither do we know exactly when the events happened. It could have easily been when Roger wasn't in his prime. Smoker cornered Luffy a lot of time for example, but Luffy is stronger than Smoker at the moment and will remain like this until the end of the manga considering his final rival is likely Blackbeard.

Hypewise, Garp isn't put on the same pedestal as Roger/Prime Whitebeard. Buggy who was sailing with Roger and must certainly know Garp said only Whitebeard could stalemate Roger in a fight(in his younger days). Old and Sick Whitebeard got the title of world strongest man infront of Garp. Garp is simply not on Prime Whitebeard/Roger level

 

[-Akuma-]

The Garp wank is terrible. He is not placed Roger/Prime Whitebeard level in the manga. Whitebeard wins both with no more than high difficulty(maybe very high). Whitebeard is world strongest man while being old and sick, not Garp

Garp is on their level it was said he could almost kill Roger. He's just not as strong as either of them.

 

[Bogard]

Garp is on their level it was said he could almost kill Roger. He's just not as strong as either of them.

That hype like i've said isn't enough

1- We don't know what he used to accomplish that. Maybe he had an army and conditions in his favor with prepared plans to do that(Shiki cornered Roger as well with a large group of ships, Smoker cornered Luffy plenty of times as well and so on)
2- We don't know how old Roger was when it happened. It could have easily happened when he wasn't in is prime(Lucci almost killed Luffy, same goes for Crocodile and so on)

With just that hype, he could be on their prime level like he couldn't. I do think however that he was likely on their level(story-wise), just inferior to them like you've said. If i didn't think that, i'd not say he would go down after a high-very high difficulty fight.

 

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Anyone with a brain would realise WB called himself the strongest, Sengoku, Garp's subordinate, called WB the strongest, Buggy called WB the strongest who was capable of stalemating with Roger. And then because Roger tells Garp they are best friends and claims they have almost killed each other on numerous occasions, Garp=Roger>WB? Where's the logic, if anything, Roger was simply saying that to make his request more admirable, since saying "I have almost killed you on numerous occasions" doesn't hold the same connotations nor can it hint at them being best friends (nor would Garp have any reason to deny it, assuming Roger has had many more chances of killing him and Garp had a very few). He was simply trying to bring forth his own agenda, and his 'villainous' looking smile further emphasised on that. He knew of Garp's kind heartedness and took advantage of it. Moreover, we don't know of the circumstances as to how Garp would've tied Roger in the first place.

 

[-Akuma-]

That hype like i've said isn't enough

1- We don't know what he used to accomplish that. Maybe he had an army and conditions in his favor with prepared plans to do that(Shiki cornered Roger as well with a large group of ships, Smoker cornered Luffy plenty of times as well and so on)
2- We don't know how old Roger was when it happened. It could have easily happened when he wasn't in is prime(Lucci almost killed Luffy, same goes for Crocodile and so on)

With just that hype, he could be on their prime level like he couldn't. I do think however that he was likely on their level(story-wise), just inferior to them like you've said. If i didn't think that, i'd not say he would go down after a high-very high difficulty fight.

- Roger said himself WE'VE killed each other he was referring to him and aGap only in that scene..

- He said many times, so it's illogical to think that all the time they fought was when Roger wasn't in his prime.

From a story perspective and none story perspective it would make sense for him to be on their level. Let's say if Roger and WB were a 100 Garp would be 99 or 98. And to be on somone level is to push them with a high-dif fight, it would of been better if you said that they weren't equal like how some were implying he was.

 

[bajram]

WB wins both scenarios, he was the only one to fight Roger equally.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

But Roger was still stronger by a little. That's the whole reason he was recognized more than him. You even said it yourself before.

Of course the gap was so tiny that their battles could've gone either way, but Roger was still stronger probably due to skill or using water to his advantage.

Don't really remember what I said earlier. Lol

But, Roger and WB are equal, if I had to choose I would go with Roger instead of WB, only because Roger has title of PK and all that hype. Very slightly.

On the other hand killing each other, can mean a lot of things, that don't need to mean that both of them were equal (tho it could mean). I would lean toward not, because Buggy said that only WB ever was able to fight toe toe with Roger.

Two more reasons I view WB as stronger:
- Both Sengoku and Garp needed to fight with Shiki, and I wouldn't say that Shiki was equal to Roger. Fight was really long and half of MF was destroyed, which mean that both Sengoku and Garp didn't really stomp Shiki.
- While Old WB was still holder of title "Strongest", if he in old could be stronger than Garp, than I don't see why he wouldn't be in his prime.

If I had to rank old geezers, Garp would come as 4th

Roger >/= WB > Shiki > Garp > Sengoku

 

[ultraChalk]

Well to play all sides of the field here...

Roger stated him and Garp almost killed each other plenty times (this would imply they clashed a lot)...
Yet Whitebeard was stated to be the 'only man' to tie with Whitebeard (as far as that quote goes, they only fought seriously once)...
And he was referred to as the strongest man in the world, even when Garp was alive... however, this was said with ignorance of Whitebeards aging sickness...
And I'm aware of the clash Shiki had with Garp/Sengoku, but even then it wouldn't be a stomp persay. We didn't even see how Garp/Sengoku left that match. They could have left without a scratch, or half dead for all we know. We didn't see their end condition.
So really there are too many unknowns.

So it's really all up to preference.

 

[Red Swag]

1. Garp
2. Tie

 

[Olorin]

Let me just put it like this, it would be very, very weird if, in an era that isn't wven the golden age of piracy, there were 2 pirates stronger than the strongest Marine in the world, the military of the most powerful organization on the planet

 

[Bogard]

Don't really remember what I said earlier. Lol

But, Roger and WB are equal, if I had to choose I would go with Roger instead of WB, only because Roger has title of PK and all that hype. Very slightly.

On the other hand killing each other, can mean a lot of things, that don't need to mean that both of them were equal (tho it could mean). I would lean toward not, because Buggy said that only WB ever was able to fight toe toe with Roger.

Two more reasons I view WB as stronger:
- Both Sengoku and Garp needed to fight with Shiki, and I wouldn't say that Shiki was equal to Roger. Fight was really long and half of MF was destroyed, which mean that both Sengoku and Garp didn't really stomp Shiki.
- While Old WB was still holder of title "Strongest", if he in old could be stronger than Garp, than I don't see why he wouldn't be in his prime.

If I had to rank old geezers, Garp would come as 4th

Roger >/= WB > Shiki > Garp > Sengoku

Couldn't have said it better myself. You explained my mind perfectly. It's exactly how i see the power difference during that era

 

[Forbidden Tale]

Well to play all sides of the field here...

Roger stated him and Garp almost killed each other plenty times (this would imply they clashed a lot)...
Yet Whitebeard was stated to be the 'only man' to tie with Whitebeard (as far as that quote goes, they only fought seriously once)...
And he was referred to as the strongest man in the world, even when Garp was alive... however, this was said with ignorance of Whitebeards aging sickness...
And I'm aware of the clash Shiki had with Garp/Sengoku, but even then it wouldn't be a stomp persay. We didn't even see how Garp/Sengoku left that match. They could have left without a scratch, or half dead for all we know. We didn't see their end condition.
So really there are too many unknowns.

So it's really all up to preference.

Yes, but killing each other can mean a lot of things, other than equal. And as I said I wouldn't say that they were equal, because Buggy said that WB was the only one.

It's not really that WB hold that title since he become sick, he most probably hold that title for a long time, which would be enough for my point to stand here.

That's true, but in fight half of the MF was destroyed. If Garp is on Roger's level (Roger > Shiki) he alone would be able to beat him, And maybe if that was 1 vs 1 fight with half of MF being destroyed I would agree, but Garp had help from one more Yonko level and still half of MF was destroyed.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

Let me just put it like this, it would be very, very weird if, in an era that isn't wven the golden age of piracy, there were 2 pirates stronger than the strongest Marine in the world, the military of the most powerful organization on the planet

I would actually say that 3 Pirates were stronger.

But, you know Pirates are mainer than marines, and after all in current age, there are many stronger Pirates than Marines.

Shanks, Mihawk, probably other Yonkos >>> Akainu, Aokiji, Kizaru, Issho, and that's not counting Marco and Benn who can probably fight toe toe with some of them and even defeat.

Luffy, Zoro, Law, Kid >> Smoker, Coby

 

[Olorin]

Shanks, Mihawk, probably other Yonkos >>> Akainu, Aokiji, Kizaru, Issho, and that's not counting Marco and Benn who can probably fight toe toe with some of them and even defeat.

okeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeey :/

 

[TheHokage]

Garp wins both in both situations in my opinion.

 

[Red Swag]

if they were to fight for real garp would win everytime. since both of them could destroy islands. wb wont be able to swim.

 

[bajram]

Let me just put it like this, it would be very, very weird if, in an era that isn't wven the golden age of piracy, there were 2 pirates stronger than the strongest Marine in the world, the military of the most powerful organization on the planet

Its about individuals who are stronger, it doesnt matter if the marines are overall stronger, but marines as individuals were usually weaker, I dont think they are on this era but atleast on the old era, but when it comes down to fighting than marines shit on any pirate crew there is.

I actually think BB and Akainu will end up as 2 strongest ppl in the world around EoS, one of them is going to be the pre-final boss and the other the final one, so yeah we will have the strongest pirate and marine, but at the end of the day the Navy & WG are going to be the ultimate final boss, so again they shit on any Pirate crew even the EoS BB pirates, Luffys gonna need an ancient weapon to overpower the WG, I mean all that military power + mariejois natural treasure.

 

[A v i]

Old:If it is MF WB then Old Garp wins this but if it is healthy old WB then WB wins this.

Prime: Wb clearly wins this.

 

[~Kami no Itachi~]

Garp punishes the white bearded bastard in both scenario

 

[MickNerks]

Well if Im to believe that Garp>Shanks, And Shanks was able to stalemate old whitebeard, then I would probally assume that Old Garp > Old White Beard.

In there prime, its hard to say. We have seen whitebeard go all out, but have never seen Garp go all out.
I believe had sengoku not held him down he would have definitely killed akainu, and I saw how he solo's marco with no diff.. That whole war garp just sat on the sidelines and didnt get involved. HMMMM!!!.

Its very possible that in there prime both whitebeard and Garp would most likely kill each other, if not garp most likely would come out on top by hype..

Shanks was able stalemate the WORLDS STRONGEST MAN with one arm. I personally believe prime garp was stronger than current shanks.

I give both senarios to garp