[Discussion] Monkey d. Garp vs edward newgate

[crono0929]

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Is it true or not that Whitebeard was the one that became the strongest man after Roger's death and not Garp? Yes or no?

WORLD STRONGEST PIRATE, WHO IS CAPABLE OF DESTROYING THE WORLD DUE TO HIS DEVIL FRUIT.

he was only considered that because roger died.

if we go by your logic, dragon is the strongest in One piece "worlds most dangerous man" "worlds most wanted criminal"

manga states that garp and roger equaled each other multiple times.

manga>you

 

[Olorin]

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Is it true or not that Whitebeard was the one that became the strongest man after Roger's death and not Garp? Yes or no?

Manga states that Violet is a dancer and later assassin of the doquixote pirates ... True or false? ... Is she?

 

[Hijey]

WORLD STRONGEST PIRATE, WHO IS CAPABLE OF DESTROYING THE WORLD DUE TO HIS DEVIL FRUIT.

manga states that garp and roger equaled each other multiple times.

manga>you

Bold: That's amusing. Like honestly, do you even read the manga?

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Don't dodge the question and answer it.

Manga > me and you, that's correct. Manga disagrees with you if you answer the question.

 

[crono0929]

Bold: That's amusing. Like honestly, do you even read the manga?

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Don't dodge the question and answer it.

Manga > me and you, that's correct. Manga disagrees with you if you answer the question.

dude, he only took that title because he was the second biggest threat while roger was alive, and when roger died, he became the first biggest threat.

and even after taking roger's place, wasn't considered as big as roger.

Roger=Pirate King
Garp=Strongest marine
WhiteBeard=Strongest Pirate after Roger Died

 

[Hijey]

And for the love of god, what on earth could the reason to that be? I mean come on now.

if we go by your logic, dragon is the strongest in One piece "worlds most dangerous man" "worlds most wanted criminal"

Is Oda making the manga too complicated for you folks? I mean, the fact that he has a WDM title and a WSM title for two different people should be enough not to be this stupid. Obama is more dangerous than Mike Tyson, by your logic he is stronger than him.

Manga states that Violet is a dancer and later assassin of the doquixote pirates ... True or false? ... Is she?

Was she or was she not a dancer at the time, true or false? I'd like to see you dance around this

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. Stop trying to throw away WB's title just because Garp didn't have it.

dude, he only took that title because he was the second biggest threat while roger was alive, and when roger died, he became the first biggest threat.

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Incorrect. He got the title because he was as the strongest alongside Roger. Why didn't Garp get it? It's simple. A 5 year old would answer it without hesitating.

and even after taking roger's place, wasn't considered as big as roger.

Roger=Pirate King
Garp=Strongest marine
WhiteBeard=Strongest Pirate after Roger Died

As big as Roger? What you mean? WB didn't accomplish as much fame as Roger because of not having such interest. He was equally strong as Roger. Read the manga.

 

[crono0929]

And for the love of god, what on earth could the reason to that be? I mean come on now.


Is Oda making the manga too complicated for you folks? I mean, the fact that he has a WDM title and a WSM title for two different people should be enough not to be this stupid. Obama is more dangerous than Mike Tyson, by your logic he is stronger than him.




Was she or was she not a dancer at the time, true or false? I'd like to see you dance around this

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. Stop trying to throw away WB's title just because Garp didn't have it.

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Incorrect. He got the title because he was as the strongest alongside Roger. Why didn't Garp get it? It's simple. A 5 year old would answer it without hesitating.



As big as Roger? What you mean? WB didn't accomplish as much fame as Roger because of not having such interest. He was equally strong as Roger. Read the manga.

resorting to name calling now? it seems that you are mad.

you are assuming things here, "garp never fought and equaled roger, while roger was in his prime".

i respect your opinion, but for now, i rather Believe the author of the manga

Garp=Roger

Deal with it.

EDIT: answer this, Who is the World Strongest man now? by Manga logic and not Your logic.

 

[Fireplay]

This speculation game is getting out of hand.

 

[Hijey]

resorting to name calling now? it seems that you are mad.

you are assuming things here, "garp never fought and equaled roger, while roger was in his prime".

i respect your opinion, but for now, i rather Believe the author of the manga

Garp=Roger

Deal with it.

EDIT: answer this, Who is the World Strongest man now? by Manga logic and not Your logic.

Not mad and I'm not assuming anything here, just following the manga the way Oda has put it. I do accept and agree with Garp = Roger but this was not Garp at his strongest. Just think for a second man. It is said Whitebeard was the only one as strong as Roger. This is clearly referring to Roger at his strongest, because he would have ton of people as strong as hm during his 20+ years as a pirate. If Roger had two people that were equal to him, as you are saying even though the manga says one, then how come Whitebeard was the undisputed strongest man and not Garp? It doesn't make any sense. There wasn't a strongest man before Roger died because he had Whitebeard that could match him, so why the sudden change? The only explanation is that Garp was weaker than Whitebeard, which makes him weaker than Roger. Sengoku, someone who knows Garp's strength better than anyone else, proclaimed Whitebeard as the strongest even after Squardo stabbed Whitebeard. Garp was also weaker than Whitebeard despite losing less power. Since you think Garp was more or less Roger's equal at his stronger, you'd think he'd be stronger than Whitebeard even with such a handicap, correct? Yet it didn't happen. Whitebeard was still stronger.

1) WB wasn't actually the strongest man
2) Roger wasn't actually equal to Whitebeard but weaker
3) Garp lost more power than WB

You would have to debate one of those three points if you think Garp could match prime Roger. From my knowledge, there is nothing supporting those three points in the entire manga.

This speculation game is getting out of hand.

You're right. The people supporting Garp are under the assumption that Garp could bring prime Roger to near death which is totally wrong. If you put some thought to it (doesn't require a high level of IQ) you will come to realize that it's impossible that's the case given the other information we have.

 

[Avinash012]

You're right. The people supporting Garp are under the assumption that Garp could bring prime Roger to near death which is totally wrong. If you put some thought to it (doesn't require a high level of IQ) you will come to realize that it's impossible that's the case given the other information we have.

That might be true but u can't say that Garp can't bring him to his limits just bcoz he is stronger than Garp.

WB and Roger are obviously stronger than Garp but it only decides a clear winner it has nothing to do with how far does Garp can go against them.

how can u say that there is no strongest man during Rogers time.?

The fact that WB feared as the man that could match roger proves that Roger is the strongest man alive at that time", With this we can clearly assume that it is Roger that is at the top of the world during that time.

Also u can say the same based on the conversation b/w Shiki and WB, "The wall that stood b4 us "
and it looks like this is ur age.

See, WB tied with Roger but still he is not the strongest man when Roger is alive .
now can u say that WB can't push Roger to his limits just bcoz Roger is the strongest man alive at that time.?

Let me ask u this as ur obviously going to disagree with Roger being the strongest man at that time.

Mihawk is clearly is the WSS and as far as we know Shanks is a SM as well ,Can u say that Shanks can't push him to his limits coz Mihawk got the title of WSS.?

 

[Hijey]

That might be true but u can't say that Garp can't bring him to his limits just bcoz he is stronger than Garp.

Based on what we know, Garp was more on the significantly weaker side than just barely weaker than prime Roger/WB.

WB and Roger are obviously stronger than Garp but it only decides a clear winner it has nothing to do with how far does Garp can go against them.

You would have known if you did some thinking.

how can u say that there is no strongest man during Rogers time.?

Do you mean before Roger reached his prime? No one knows, but there probably was someone that had that title. Since prime Roger was strongest alongside WB, neither of them could have it when they reached their prime.

The fact that WB feared as the man that could match roger proves that Roger is the strongest man alive at that time", With this we can clearly assume that it is Roger that is at the top of the world during that time.

Eh no. He was equally strong as WB as it's been stated. It's just that Roger was more famous than WB since the latter doesn't want anything of that sort. Obviously with Roger being dead and being more famous, Whitebeard will be compared to him and not the other way around.

Also u can say the same based on the conversation b/w Shiki and WB, "The wall that stood b4 us "
and it looks like this is ur age.

That could mean that it wouldn't be Whitebeard's (assuming he has interest) age whilst Roger is alive since he is his equal or that Roger has the better crew since it's more than personal strength.

See, WB tied with Roger but still he is not the strongest man when Roger is alive .
now can u say that WB can't push Roger to his limits just bcoz Roger is the strongest man alive at that time.?

Roger wasn't the strongest alone, the bearded man known as Whitebeard was equally strong as him.

Let me ask u this as ur obviously going to disagree with Roger being the strongest man at that time.

Mihawk is clearly is the WSS and as far as we know Shanks is a SM as well ,Can u say that Shanks can't push him to his limits coz Mihawk got the title of WSS.?

Shanks would most likely push Mihawk to his limits, yeah. Garp wouldn't just barely lose to prime Roger/Whitebeard though. He lost far less strength than Whitebeard and he was still weaker than him. Even with that and a gigantic sword to WB's chest was not enough for Garp to be stronger than him. So how on earth could he be barely weaker than prime Roger/WB?

 

[Avinash012]

Based on what we know, Garp was more on the significantly weaker side than just barely weaker than prime Roger/WB.

We barely know anything about Garp as well as Roger ,so u shouldn't say that he is significantly weaker

You would have known if you did some thinking.

I did it and that's y Iam saying this,
Sorry but Iam not familiar with English (Not even 2nd language)to explain things well so I'll use an example

I can top the class by scoring 99.3 % but that dosen't put the one with 99% far behind topper though Iam clearly the topper of the class.
one might lost the title with slightest edge which is possibe in case of Garp and Roger /WB at the same time what u said is possible as well

like this Roger and WB = 99% and Garp = 90% and the rest of the class are far below Garp

Do you mean before Roger reached his prime? No one knows, but there probably was someone that had that title. Since prime Roger was strongest alongside WB, neither of them could have it when they reached their prime.

Nah Iam referrign to Roger's prime and saying that Roger is the strongest

Eh no. He was equally strong as WB as it's been stated. It's just that Roger was more famous than WB since the latter doesn't want anything of that sort. Obviously with Roger being dead and being more famous, Whitebeard will be compared to him and not the other way around.

Both u as well as me Already know that being famous =/= strength in OP world

Also just being famous does not put him above rest of the Pirates in terms of Strength ,

Roger is clearly is the strongest man at that time and and WB is the only one that could match him that's y he is feared like that.

If there is no Strongest man then Y only WB is the only one that can match Roger y not Roger is the only man that can match WB..?
the meaning may not be different but here we are taking Roger as the reference to indicate WB's strength .

That could mean that it wouldn't be Whitebeard's (assuming he has interest) age whilst Roger is alive since he is his equal or that Roger has the better crew since it's more than personal strength.

Going by that logic it should be Shiki's age when Roger is alive as his crew/fleet > Any other crew at that time

Shanks would most likely push Mihawk to his limits, yeah. Garp wouldn't just barely lose to prime Roger/Whitebeard though. He lost far less strength than Whitebeard and he was still weaker than him. Even with that and a gigantic sword to WB's chest was not enough for Garp to be stronger than him. So how on earth could he be barely weaker than prime Roger/WB?

U can't say that , do u think just a fodder stab (NOTE : Sengoku don't know about WB's sickness) suddenly change the title of WSM..?
We actually don't know whether Garp would have lost to WB or not if he were to fight WB @ MF

That Shanks and Mihawk thing proves that we shouln't say that one could beat anyone without reaching his limits just bcoz he got the "Best title "

 

[crono0929]

my question is, if roger is 99 and garp is 90, how did they manage to equal and nearly kill EACH OTHER countless times....?

THEY WERE TWO SIDES OF THE SAME COIN, ROGER THE PIRATE AND GARP THE MARINE.

i dont know what is so hard about that lol, really.

 

[Hijey]

We barely know anything about Garp as well as Roger ,so u shouldn't say that he is significantly weaker

We don't need to know more than we already know. Connect the dots and you'll realise he's not just barely weaker than them.

I did it and that's y Iam saying this,
Sorry but Iam not familiar with English (Not even 2nd language)to explain things well so I'll use an example

I can top the class by scoring 99.3 % but that dosen't put the one with 99% far behind topper though Iam clearly the topper of the class.
one might lost the title with slightest edge which is possibe in case of Garp and Roger /WB at the same time what u said is possible as well

like this Roger and WB = 99% and Garp = 90% and the rest of the class are far below Garp

Except that Garp wouldn't be in the 90s with Roger and WB. If that was the case, losing less strength than old WB would put him above him and it didn't.

Nah Iam referrign to Roger's prime and saying that Roger is the strongest

In that case such title didn't exist because two strongest people were equally strong as it's been stated.

Both u as well as me Already know that being famous =/= strength in OP world

Also just being famous does not put him above rest of the Pirates in terms of Strength ,

Roger is clearly is the strongest man at that time and and WB is the only one that could match him that's y he is feared like that.

If there is no Strongest man then Y only WB is the only one that can match Roger y not Roger is the only man that can match WB..?
the meaning may not be different but here we are taking Roger as the reference to indicate WB's strength .

As a pirate, Roger accomplished more than anyone else, e.g conquering the GL. Therefore, WB is compared to him rather than the other way. But he wasn't stronger because it's said he had an equal.

Going by that logic it should be Shiki's age when Roger is alive as his crew/fleet > Any other crew at that time

He wins in numbers, but his crew wasn't stronger than Rogers else he'd be the PK.

U can't say that , do u think just a fodder stab (NOTE : Sengoku don't know about WB's sickness) suddenly change the title of WSM..?
We actually don't know whether Garp would have lost to WB or not if he were to fight WB @ MF

That Shanks and Mihawk thing proves that we shouln't say that one could beat anyone without reaching his limits just bcoz he got the "Best title"

The time it we saw WB until the war was few months and nothing in the manga implies WB lost enough strength to not be the strongest. When a gigantic sword stabs one, anyone will be weakened. I mean, why else would Oda bother doing that to WB in the first place? Having Sengoku of all people say that WB was the strongest is pretty much a fact. Oda wasn't giving WB a false hype there. So unlike the Shanks and Mihawk case, Garp wouldn't barely lose to WB.

 

[Avinash012]

We don't need to know more than we already know. Connect the dots and you'll realise he's not just barely weaker than them.

So u know everything about Garp's strength to say that he is not barely weaker than him.?

Except that Garp wouldn't be in the 90s with Roger and WB. If that was the case, losing less strength than old WB would put him above him and it didn't.

U shouldn't Ignore the possibility just bcoz it is against ur argument,We already had an example to prove that it is possibe (Mihawk & Shanks as SM"S) just think about it, if Mihawk got a stab then he'll automatically lose his title of WSM.
Just think how funny it is to say something like that

In that case such title didn't exist because two strongest people were equally strong as it's been stated.

How can u be so sure about this without enough Info.?
It is stated that WB can match him though it is never stated that there is no strongest man at that time

As a pirate, Roger accomplished more than anyone else, e.g conquering the GL. Therefore, WB is compared to him rather than the other way. But he wasn't stronger because it's said he had an equal.

That doesn't automatically make him a wall b4 all pirates ,Strength =/= fame
Shanks is not as strong as WB and still he accomplished everything that WB did

He wins in numbers, but his crew wasn't stronger than Rogers else he'd be the PK.

As we both already know having strongest crew does not make u a PK other wise WB would be the PK of this ara.

& U know that Team Roger Survived the battle against Shiki thanks to strom ,here Rogers team might do more damage but victory would be Shiki's

The time it we saw WB until the war was few months and nothing in the manga implies WB lost enough strength to not be the strongest. When a gigantic sword stabs one, anyone will be weakened. I mean, why else would Oda bother doing that to WB in the first place? Having Sengoku of all people say that WB was the strongest is pretty much a fact. Oda wasn't giving WB a false hype there. So unlike the Shanks and Mihawk case, Garp wouldn't barely lose to WB.

Garp got the same kind of Hype as well ,Iam not saying that WB's hype is fake my point is that Garp's hype is close to WB but still below him.
We don't know that but manga made it clear.
WB the strongest man alive with all types of Haki (It would be foolish to think otherwise IMO) failed to avoid attack from Squard ,hardly keeping up with Admirals, this is all not only coz of Squard's attack ,WB is already sick thats y he failed to avoid Suards attack though Sengoku don't know about WB's sickness

Once again changing the his title on a whim(coz of a stab) is same as saying that the topper of the class is is not top coz he scored less marks in a regular test..

my question is, if roger is 99 and garp is 90, how did they manage to equal and nearly kill EACH OTHER countless times....?

THEY WERE TWO SIDES OF THE SAME COIN, ROGER THE PIRATE AND GARP THE MARINE.

i dont know what is so hard about that lol, really.

Here ur not getting Hijey's point.

Look at Smoker and Luffy

Smoker > Luffy at Longtown
Smoker > Luffy at MF

means that Somker fought Luffy and cornered him 2 times

Now Look at current Luffy he is stronger than Smoker Now (Assuming that Luffy >/= Law)

Both Luffy as well as Smoker improved themselves
but Luffy's improvement >> Smoker's so Luffy got stronger than Smoker


Now by the END of the series Luffy'll be PK means that he is at his peak and Smoker will at his peak as well but still he is weaker than Luffy.

and people will still say that Smoker cornered PK Luffy more than once as he did it to a young Luffy

Hope this helps

 

[Hijey]

So u know everything about Garp's strength to say that he is not barely weaker than him.?

We know that even though he lost less strength compared to WB he was still weaker than him, meaning in their prime the gap was significant. Look at it this way. Luffy and Law are more or less on par, correct? (You think Luffy is stronger, so let's say he is stronger) So let's say Luffy loses far more strength than Law. Is Law still going to be barely stronger than Luffy or is he going to become stronger than, not barely, but by a decent amount?

U shouldn't Ignore the possibility just bcoz it is against ur argument,We already had an example to prove that it is possibe (Mihawk & Shanks as SM"S) just think about it, if Mihawk got a stab then he'll automatically lose his title of WSM.
Just think how funny it is to say something like that

How can u be so sure about this without enough Info.?
It is stated that WB can match him though it is never stated that there is no strongest man at that time

Because how can can the strongest person have a title like that which only one can have when he already has someone as strong as him? It doesn't work. Or maybe you're saying that Roger reached his prime before WB and then was the strongest man in the world until WB could match that? It's a possibility I guess.

That doesn't automatically make him a wall b4 all pirates ,Strength =/= fame
Shanks is not as strong as WB and still he accomplished everything that WB did

It does. Whitebeard didn't have the same ambition as Roger - > Roger achieved the absolute best a pirate can achieve e.g. PK - > He is a wall before all pirates that want that sort of goal. All WB wanted was to compete against Roger strength wise and not fame.

As we both already know having strongest crew does not make u a PK other wise WB would be the PK of this ara.

& U know that Team Roger Survived the battle against Shiki thanks to strom ,here Rogers team might do more damage but victory would be Shiki's

Okay, that's true. But it's irrelevant since we know WB had no interest in competing with Roger other than strength wise, so if he was there wouldn't have been a PK.

Garp got the same kind of Hype as well ,Iam not saying that WB's hype is fake my point is that Garp's hype is close to WB but still below him.
We don't know that but manga made it clear.
WB the strongest man alive with all types of Haki (It would be foolish to think otherwise IMO) failed to avoid attack from Squard ,hardly keeping up with Admirals, this is all not only coz of Squard's attack ,WB is already sick thats y he failed to avoid Suards attack though Sengoku don't know about WB's sickness

Once again changing the his title on a whim(coz of a stab) is same as saying that the topper of the class is is not top coz he scored less marks in a regular test..

It's not close as you're implying it to be though. In their old age, Garp did come closer to WB due to WB losing more strength so a fight there would have been similar to a fight between Mihawk and Shanks. But in their prime, it would have been much easier than that in WB's favor. WB did have CoC iirc(he wanted to do it but didn't for some reason I can't remember).

Okay. Whitebeard was still the strongest anyways.

Here ur not getting Hijey's point.

Look at Smoker and Luffy

Smoker > Luffy at Longtown
Smoker > Luffy at MF

means that Somker fought Luffy and cornered him 2 times

Now Look at current Luffy he is stronger than Smoker Now (Assuming that Luffy >/= Law)

Both Luffy as well as Smoker improved themselves
but Luffy's improvement >> Smoker's so Luffy got stronger than Smoker


Now by the END of the series Luffy'll be PK means that he is at his peak and Smoker will at his peak as well but still he is weaker than Luffy.

and people will still say that Smoker cornered PK Luffy more than once as he did it to a young Luffy

Hope this helps

Pretty much agree with this except for Smoker being stronger than pre skip Luffy(I think it could go either way) and that Luffy's improvement is way better than Smokers.