[Discussion] Monkey d. Garp vs edward newgate

[David1996]

Dunno really... But am pretty sure Sengoku can beat WB.

 

[TheHokage]

If u go in OP wiki and write Whitebeard, it says that he was the strongest man in the world and is the only one who was equal to Roger that mean's neither were able to beat each other, the only one to come close was garp, if u dont belive me go here:

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Oda isnt a guy who would contradict himself about saying that Wb was the strongest man in the world but garp is stronger than him, he has never contradicted himself in the whole manga of 700 chaps, this is not kishi who changes the strongest hokage, oda doesnt do it WB is

THE STRONGEST MAN IN THE WORLD!

Yet at the same time Roger and Garp constantly almost killed each other (Manga fact) ,the strongest man in the world is a vague term to say the least Whitebeard could destroy the planet if he wanted to due to his DF, I saw Whitebeard only being the strongest man by that principle not the strongest fighter.

I also believe Oda said Garp was the strongest Marine meaning he was stronger than Akainu, Kizaru etc...and in Marineford Akainu gave Whitebeard a good fight that left a few fatal wounds.

do u guys think garp and roger were like luffy and Coby or Smoker what kinda relationship did they have?

Smoker my friends...Smoker, Roger and Garp where not friends they where enemies that respected each other at the highest level for the fighting abilities.

What hype is that?

OT: We know for a fact that Whitebeard was the only man equal to the Pirate King, Roger. Garp was as strong as Roger at one point, but Roger left him in the dust when he reached his peak. Prime Whitebeard and Old/sick Whitebeard is stronger than prime Garp and old Garp respectively.

Bold: Are you for real? Garp has possibly the second or third largest hype in the entire series only falling short to Roger and Dragon. Garp was Roger's rival in strength the two constantly almost killed each other, that itself is a massive hype, then there's the fact Garp one shotted Marco (Something Kizaru and Akainu could not do) and Chin jao (Prime). How about his titles for god sake (Garp the Fist, Hero Garp).

It's not a fact at all the Whitebeard was the only man to fight Roger evenly at all Roger said it himself that Garp nearly killed him countless times and if I remember correctly Whitebeard came off a lot worse in his clashes with Roger than Garp did. When was it ever stated Roger left Garp in the dust? That sounds like some fanfiction your writing there, up until the very end Roger viewed Garp as his equal.

Prime Whitebeard at best was equal to prime Garp however Old Garp would beat an old sick Whitebeard if they battled to the death.

No, it isn't sensible to conclude that. It's simple. After Roger's death, there existed one man who had the title of the strongest man. It was crystal clear for everyone that this man, Whitebeard, was indeed the strongest. That suggests that the gap between prime Roger/Whitebeard and Garp was big enough for Whitebeard to be the undisputed strongest man. Furthermore, Oda stated that there was one single man to match Roger. Garp being in this equation means it's contradicting that. Thus we can conclude that because Roger and Garp fought countless times over the period of time it took Roger to reach his prime (he started off around the same age as Luffy and died roughly at same age as Shanks/Mihawk) they were in the same level, but Roger became even more stronger than the max Garp could achieve. That scene between Roger and Garp was to convey that because of the many years they have been fighting, Roger now sees him as one of his own crewmates.

Whitebeard was called the strongest man in the world because of his destructive power of his DF, however in overall combat he is not above Garp at all. Also like Garp Whitebeard lost strength due to his age plus his illness, Whitebeard lost a lot of his fighting abilities hence the reason he was stabbed by Squardo and punched in the stomach by Akainu and lazered by Kizaru.

Further more you can throw out the quote one man to match Roger all you like the manga simply contradicts it by Rogers words so...yeah. Not to mention again your throwing out fanfiction again by stating Roger left Garp behind you have no evidence of this other than your opinion. Roger trusted Garp like one of his crewmates he didn't see him like one Roger trusted Garp because of how much they battled with one another.

Of course Whitebeard could have done that, no reason to think otherwise. Garp is like Sanji, extremely strong without devil fruit. Give him a good devil fruit and obviously he'll most likely be the strongest, like how Sanji would be stronger than Luffy. Prime Garp is the second strongest of all time behind Roger/Whitebeard

I disagree.

It's either (Prime Roger = Prime Garp = Prime Whitebeard) or (Prime Roger = Prime Garp >= Prime Whitebeard) I'm leaning more towards the former personally.

 

[the nine tails]

garp takes this both prime and old imo atleast ^_^

 

[the nine tails]

Dunno really... But am pretty sure Sengoku can beat WB.

not even in his dreams ... sengoku is a not a fighter hes not like garp ... garp is a monster when it comes to fighting

sengoku is strategic person he plans how tha Battle goes garp on the other hand execute the plan ^_^

 

[TheHokage]

Dunno really... But am pretty sure Sengoku can beat WB.

No Whitebeard tears Sengoku a new one.

 

[Hexuze]

Guys you have to realize that we don't know HOW Garp cornered/captured Roger but what we do know is that Roger and WB were rivals. Not to mention he was a f*cking tank in WB during his old age with an illness plus he died standing up. All you Garp fanboys have to realize that Prime WB was stronger than Prime Garp. Old WB was able to fight with three admirals, I can't see garp doing something like that. Not saying WB will have it easy, I'm just saying WB wins both scenarios high-diff.

 

[Uchiha seeker]

Dadan>Garp.

 

[TheHokage]

Guys you have to realize that we don't know HOW Garp cornered/captured Roger but what we do know is that Roger and WB were rivals. Not to mention he was a f*cking tank in WB during his old age with an illness plus he died standing up. All you Garp fanboys have to realize that Prime WB was stronger than Prime Garp. Old WB was able to fight with three admirals, I can't see garp doing something like that. Not saying WB will have it easy, I'm just saying WB wins both scenarios high-diff.

That's a far fetched theory, as to me Roger saying that he and Garp had nearly killed each other countless times shows that they battled evenly unless of course your trying to say Garp used some trick or fodder marines battled with Roger. It's completely OOC for Garp to do that, Garp would rather fight Roger alone than anything else so it's only logical going by Garp's character that he cornered Roger countless times in a 1 v 1 situation.

Also we know Garp and Roger where rivals since I'm pretty certain that's why Garp was given the moniker Garp the Hero and why he's infamous around the world for battling the Pirate King.

Wow so what if Whitebeard was a tank in the war your being blinded by delusional fanboyism and being simple minded dying standing up means nothing either I don't exactly know what your trying to prove. You Whitebeard Fanboys need to stop ignoring what Roger said and if you're not ignoring it stop twisting it so it fits your delusional fanfictions. Roger and Whitebeard clashed and Whitebeard came off worst look at the scars on his chest while Roger and Garp clashed countless times and neither of them where badly scarred.

So what if Whitebeard was able to fight the 3 Admirals if I remember correctly Kizaru lazered him, Akainu blew off half of his face and punched a hole in his stomach. Marco battled with all three admirals and they couldn't knock him down while one punch from Garp sent him flying (And Marco was in his Phoenix mode)

Seriously I like Whitebeard but his fanboys really put me off his character, learn to read hype and foreshadowing there is a reason Oda has only been hinting to Garp's strength and showing teasers of it (One shotting a 500m beli) A sick old Whitebeard wouldn't have the stamina to keep up with just an old Garp.

I think some people really underestimate Garp to much or are just stupid like I've seen people think Garp is weak because Luffy hit him...if any Whitebeard fanboys here think that just stop reading One Piece. Marineford Garp > Marineford Whitebeard.

 

[Hexuze]

That's a far fetched theory, as to me Roger saying that he and Garp had nearly killed each other countless times shows that they battled evenly unless of course your trying to say Garp used some trick or fodder marines battled with Roger. It's completely OOC for Garp to do that, Garp would rather fight Roger alone than anything else so it's only logical going by Garp's character that he cornered Roger countless times in a 1 v 1 situation.

Also we know Garp and Roger where rivals since I'm pretty certain that's why Garp was given the moniker Garp the Hero and why he's infamous around the world for battling the Pirate King.

Wow so what if Whitebeard was a tank in the war your being blinded by delusional fanboyism and being simple minded dying standing up means nothing either I don't exactly know what your trying to prove. You Whitebeard Fanboys need to stop ignoring what Roger said and if you're not ignoring it stop twisting it so it fits your delusional fanfictions. Roger and Whitebeard clashed and Whitebeard came off worst look at the scars on his chest while Roger and Garp clashed countless times and neither of them where badly scarred.

So what if Whitebeard was able to fight the 3 Admirals if I remember correctly Kizaru lazered him, Akainu blew off half of his face and punched a hole in his stomach. Marco battled with all three admirals and they couldn't knock him down while one punch from Garp sent him flying (And Marco was in his Phoenix mode)

Seriously I like Whitebeard but his fanboys really put me off his character, learn to read hype and foreshadowing there is a reason Oda has only been hinting to Garp's strength and showing teasers of it (One shotting a 500m beli) A sick old Whitebeard wouldn't have the stamina to keep up with just an old Garp.

I think some people really underestimate Garp to much or are just stupid like I've seen people think Garp is weak because Luffy hit him...if any Whitebeard fanboys here think that just stop reading One Piece. Marineford Garp > Marineford Whitebeard.

You're ignoring the fact that he was considered the strongest man alive at one point? He also had planetary hype too due to his DF. WB being a tank is a huge deal as it would be advantageous for him while he's fighting Garp who primarily uses close combat fighting. What are you talking about? Roger and WB had a better rivalry than Roger and Garp. It was pretty obvious during the flashback showed at MF with him & Roger. Plus we already saw a panel showing Roger AND WB back to back, which prob. indicated some sort of rivalry.

I just found it really surprising that you just brushed off the fact that WB is a tank. I'm not trying to fanboy either side nor am I underestimating Garp as I said in my previous post that it would be WB-HIGH diff. I'm just saying, Garp seems slightly below Roger and WB seems on par with Roger. That would make sense because Roger said that they nearly kill each other many times before.

As for the whole admiral issue. I'm not quite sure why Oda hasn't shown Kizaru getting beaten badly but that's beyond me. WB wrecked the STRONGEST admiral (Garp would of done the same but Sengoku held him back).

 

[xcoyote]

Garp wins.

 

[crono0929]

Whitebeard was considered the "world strongest man" simply because he had the gura gura no mi, he had the power to "destroy the world" with it.

 

[Avinash012]

No, it isn't sensible to conclude that. It's simple. After Roger's death, there existed one man who had the title of the strongest man. It was crystal clear for everyone that this man, Whitebeard, was indeed the strongest. That suggests that the gap between prime Roger/Whitebeard and Garp was big enough for Whitebeard to be the undisputed strongest man. Furthermore, Oda stated that there was one single man to match Roger. Garp being in this equation means it's contradicting that. Thus we can conclude that because Roger and Garp fought countless times over the period of time it took Roger to reach his prime (he started off around the same age as Luffy and died roughly at same age as Shanks/Mihawk) they were in the same level, but Roger became even more stronger than the max Garp could achieve. That scene between Roger and Garp was to convey that because of the many years they have been fighting, Roger now sees him as one of his own crewmates.

So ur basically saying that Roger died without reaching his peak but WB reached his peak and is stronger than Garp at his peak so that Roger is stronger than Garp bcoz his strength is equal to WB when he is alive...?

Don't u think it makes no sense..?

What kind of evidence can u give me to prove that the rate of progress in WB's strength = Roger's and Roger can reach the same hight as WB ..?

Roger said that Garp nearly killed him more than once just b4 his death ,One can't do something like that without matching in strength ...Roger had Dark king a man that can give a high Dif match for people like Roger,Garp and WB and other strong crew member but what about Garp..?
He is just a VA means that the other peple in his Battle ship are super weak compared to dark king and Garp is the only one that can fight with team Roger and yet he managed to corner whole crew with a little backup from his fodder crew(Compared to Vice cap of Roger)......
...Shanks and Mihawk are in their primes the fact that Roger died at that age proves that he died at his peak....

We still don't know WB's strongest man title includes marines or Not....

Of course Whitebeard could have done that, no reason to think otherwise. Garp is like Sanji, extremely strong without devil fruit. Give him a good devil fruit and obviously he'll most likely be the strongest, like how Sanji would be stronger than Luffy. Prime Garp is the second strongest of all time behind Roger/Whitebeard

I agree with u to some extent on this point ...

Garp is as strong as Roger and WB though he can't win in an all out battle against any of them, it would be same as Akainu(Roger/WB) vs Aokiji(Garp) IMO....

Garp would win just because he could match roger in a fight

and withebeard and roger where rivals they wern't equals:yeah:

Nah they are actually equal...
WB is the only one to evenly match Roger and is the strongest man after Roger's death

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OT : going by feats and Hype ...WB wins super high DIf...

 

[Hijey]

Bold: Are you for real? Garp has possibly the second or third largest hype in the entire series only falling short to Roger and Dragon. Garp was Roger's rival in strength the two constantly almost killed each other, that itself is a massive hype, then there's the fact Garp one shotted Marco (Something Kizaru and Akainu could not do) and Chin jao (Prime). How about his titles for god sake (Garp the Fist, Hero Garp).

I am for real. Are you for real? 'One shotting' an off guard Marco is not impressive enough to put him above Whitebeard. There is nothing more impressive in this entire series than being the man who could match prime Roger.

It's not a fact at all the Whitebeard was the only man to fight Roger evenly at all Roger said it himself that Garp nearly killed him countless times and if I remember correctly Whitebeard came off a lot worse in his clashes with Roger than Garp did. When was it ever stated Roger left Garp in the dust? That sounds like some fanfiction your writing there, up until the very end Roger viewed Garp as his equal.

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There you go. The only man to match prime Roger - it is a fact which you refuse to accept. Do you see Garp there? Because I don't. It's not a fanfiction if you decide to take off your fanboyism googles. Is the concept that upon Roger's death, his one and only equal at his prime, was the one that was accepted as the strongest man? It shouldn't be because even a 5 year old would accept this.

Prime Whitebeard at best was equal to prime Garp however Old Garp would beat an old sick Whitebeard if they battled to the death.

Prime WB > prime Garp = Fact. Also, old sick Whitebeard was the strongest man meaning he could beat anyone in a fight. Sengoku also accepts the notion of this, despite being the best person to know Garp strength.

Whitebeard was called the strongest man in the world because of his destructive power of his DF, however in overall combat he is not above Garp at all. Also like Garp Whitebeard lost strength due to his age plus his illness, Whitebeard lost a lot of his fighting abilities hence the reason he was stabbed by Squardo and punched in the stomach by Akainu and lazered by Kizaru.

You're wrong, Sherlock. He was called the strongest because of being Roger's equal. This is why after Whitebeard's death, there doesn't exist someone with that title. Hey look, the smartass Blackbeard who's had to experience with Whitebeard's devil fruit for two whole years is not the strongest. Oh what a surprise.

Further more you can throw out the quote one man to match Roger all you like the manga simply contradicts it by Rogers words so...yeah. Not to mention again your throwing out fanfiction again by stating Roger left Garp behind you have no evidence of this other than your opinion. Roger trusted Garp like one of his crewmates he didn't see him like one Roger trusted Garp because of how much they battled with one another.

It doesn't contradict it if you consider both statements. I choose to accept both of the statements whilst you choose to only accept Roger's and not Buggy's. Roger leaving Garp in the dust can be explained by the simple fact that Garp didn't become the strongest after Roger's death(or the fact that such a title came to exist in the first place). Now why wasn't Garp the one to be the strongest man? SIMPLE. He wasn't strong enough because WHITEBEARD was stronger than him and thus was the one to have that. Not to mention, Whitebeard even held that title even in old age + sickness. That further tells us that Garp who aged better than Whitebeard, was still weaker than Whitebeard. What does that mean? It means that prime Roger/Whitebeard left Garp in the dust and the gap was big enough for Whitebeard to be the strongest man after Roger's death.

I disagree.

It's either (Prime Roger = Prime Garp = Prime Whitebeard) or (Prime Roger = Prime Garp >= Prime Whitebeard) I'm leaning more towards the former personally.

Yeah no. Roger = WB > Garp with Garp most likely being the second strongest after those two monsters.

So ur basically saying that Roger died without reaching his peak but WB reached his peak and is stronger than Garp at his peak so that Roger is stronger than Garp bcoz his strength is equal to WB when he is alive...?

Don't u think it makes no sense..?

What kind of evidence can u give me to prove that the rate of progress in WB's strength = Roger's and Roger can reach the same hight as WB ..?

Roger said that Garp nearly killed him more than once just b4 his death ,One can't do something like that without matching in strength ...Roger had Dark king a man that can give a high Dif match for people like Roger,Garp and WB and other strong crew member but what about Garp..?
He is just a VA means that the other peple in his Battle ship are super weak compared to dark king and Garp is the only one that can fight with team Roger and yet he managed to corner whole crew with a little backup from his fodder crew(Compared to Vice cap of Roger)......
...Shanks and Mihawk are in their primes the fact that Roger died at that age proves that he died at his peak....

We still don't know WB's strongest man title includes marines or Not....


I agree with u to some extent on this point ...

Garp is as strong as Roger and WB though he can't win in an all out battle against any of them, it would be same as Akainu(Roger/WB) vs Aokiji(Garp) IMO....

I don't understand what you're trying to say here. Roger did reach his prime and only Whitebeard could match that. Garp could match Roger at one point because due to the fact that Roger's career was long, but he couldn't do it when Roger hit his peak. Roger/Whitebeard would need high difficulty but nothing sort of that of Akainu/Aokiji fight because he wasn't a hair weaker than them, there was a gap.

 

[Red Swag]

Garp can turn mountains into dust with just haki.

WB can as well but with his DF + haki powers.

.... IMO Garp is stronger.

 

[Hijey]

We still don't know WB's strongest man title includes marines or Not....

I just noticed this and I can't stop laughing. One way or another people like you try to get around titles. It includes every single person, be it a marine or not. Which is why it's the strongest man in the world and not the strongest pirate in the world. You have titles like Yonko which are explicitly made clear for only pirates. WSM isn't like that.

Garp can turn mountains into dust with just haki.

WB can as well but with his DF + haki powers.

.... IMO Garp is stronger.

So Garp would beat Whitebeard in a 1 vs 1 fight because he can turn a mountain into a dust without the use of a devil fruit?

 

[Avinash012]

I just noticed this and I can't stop laughing. One way or another people like you try to get around titles. It includes every single person, be it a marine or not. Which is why it's the strongest man in the world and not the strongest pirate in the world. You have titles like Yonko which are explicitly made clear for only pirates. WSM isn't like that.

So ur saying that we can take the meanings of those titles literally ...
Now Tell me how many of Yonko the strongest pirates are stronger than Mihawk a pirate ...?

Garp could match Roger at one point because due to the fact that Roger's career was long, but he couldn't do it when Roger hit his peak.
Roger/Whitebeard would need high difficulty but nothing sort of that of Akainu/Aokiji fight because he wasn't a hair weaker than them, there was a gap.

Never heared that ...Got a proof...?

Roger clearly said that they killed eachother countless times and what kind of evidence can u give me to support ur statement...?
Where does it says Garp didn't fought or can't match Roger...?

 

[Hijey]

So ur saying that we can take the meanings of those titles literally ...
Now Tell me how many of Yonko the strongest pirates are stronger than Mihawk a pirate ...?

Yeah. Being a yonko doesn't mean you are stronger than a non yonko pirate because you need more than personal strength. They are however the strongest active pirate captains.

Never heared that ...Got a proof...?

Roger clearly said that they killed eachother countless times and what kind of evidence can u give me to support ur statement...?
Where does it says Garp didn't fought or can't match Roger...?

Because by the time Roger was at his strongest, he only had one man who could match him 100%. This man man whos known as Whitebeard became the strongest man after Roger's death. If we include that Garp could push Roger when Roger reached his prime to a near death, it wouldn't make any sense whatsoever. Reason being, the gap between Whitebeard and Garp was big enough that it is clear for anyone Whitebeard was stronger than him. This is also backed by the fact that even though Whitebeard lost more power than Garp due to illness, he was still the strongest man. Therefore, we can logically conclude that Garp was strong enough to do what Roger said, but couldn't do so at Roger's absolute strongest.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Roger and Whitebeard were unrivalled by anyone other than eachother. Garp was only capable of capturing Roger because Roger let himself get caught as he knew he was dying. Hence capturing Roger isn't a great feat. Think of his strength compared to Roger/Whitebeards as Smokers is to Luffy or Law.

Regardless it would still be a tough fight for Whitebeard but he will ultimately come out the victor.

 

[Fireplay]

It's hard to say. They were both said to equal Roger and i have no idea what Roger used to match WB's ridiculously OP DF (Roger must've been OP). From what we've seen Garp isn't really the best match-up against WB. Roger had something to even the odds but it doesn't seem like Garp has that. Garp has shown Haki and brute strength, WB has shown Haki, brute strength and ridiculously OP DF. A=B=C logic never works.

Prime: Whitebeard wins
Old: Whitebeard wins (from what we've seen)

Unless old Garp shows something that puts him above old WB i don't see him winning. I do think that in their prime though WB was stronger.

I think Roger had a fullbody Haki armor or some OP shizz that would defend him against those quakes.

 

[Mephew D Kensei]

Its not an easy fight to be honest but I think WB wld take this after an extreme extreme diff battle. Hey he was world's strongest man(Theman who cld solo the world) u know, and the Hero of the marines is legend too and is in the same tier as WB and Roger ut Shirohige is just so Gurararara Shirrrrrrohiiiiige!!!.