[Discussion] Monkey D. Dragon & Kong

[24 12 11 to troll]

Well based on Hype:

Kong >Sengoku

Kong >Garp

What hype?

 

[WhistleBlower]

Monkey D Dragon > KONG [Very-High Difficulty ] U_U

OT: We hardly know anything of their abilities...ok..NONE!! XD
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[Avinash012]

Assuming his strength based on his rank is not gona help u ...

All of those guys in u r pic are alive at the time of great War & still WB is the strongest man alive means that WB and Roger are all time strongest with Grap being the only man capable of fighting on par with them......

Dragon beats that old man Mid dif & if it is in his prime then it would be mid - high Dif,...

 

[KingHashirama]

What hype?

Chief-in-Commander of all the forces > Hero of only the Marines.

Assuming his strength based on his rank is not gona help u ...

All of those guys in u r pic are alive at the time of great War & still WB is the strongest man alive means that WB and Roger are all time strongest with Grap being the only man capable of fighting on par with them......

Dragon beats that old man Mid dif & if it is in his prime then it would be mid - high Dif,...

Admirals = Strongest of the Marines... FACT

Fleet-Admiral = Stronger than the Admirals .. FACT (Akainu and Aokiji showed this).

Captain = strongest in the crew ... Fact

Younkou = Strongest pirates .... Fact

It is only logical that the man who leads all the forces of the W.g (Army/Marines/CP9) and so on is the strongest man on that side.

WB is the strongest man alive.. but Garp is said to be the man who fought on par with Roger. Notice how WB was called the strongest man alive because he was said to have the strongest DF.... lol.

 

[TheHokage]

Chief-in-Commander of all the forces > Hero of only the Marines.

Not really...Garp chose to stay the rank he is because he had freedom as a Vice admiral...if he had went for promotions etc...who's to say he wouldn't be chief-in-commander.

Also Pirate King > Chief-in-Commander and since Garp was pretty much equal in strength to Roger in extension that means Garp > Kong.

Also rank means nothing...

 

[KingHashirama]

Not really...Garp chose to stay the rank he is because he had freedom as a Vice admiral...if he had went for promotions etc...who's to say he wouldn't be chief-in-commander.

Also Pirate King > Chief-in-Commander and since Garp was pretty much equal in strength to Roger in extension that means Garp > Kong.

Also rank means nothing...

Kong was already Admiral when Garp was asked to be Admiral.. soo yea.

On top of that .. sorry that logic fails due to the fact that Pirate King is the strongest pirate.. not the strongest character. Its like saying Younkou > Admirals...... just no.



Rank doesn't mean anything?? Even though the stature of One piece and how strong someone is determined by strength... and they get promoted due to their strength.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

May I jut point out that Garp is the most highly hyped Marine.

The ranks show power in influence over others ; not individual strength , this is proven by the fact Garp was the strongest Marine and yet not an Admiral. It's possible he still is the strongest Marine.

 

[Hijey]

Chief-in-Commander of all the forces > Hero of only the Marines.


Admirals = Strongest of the Marines... FACT

Fleet-Admiral = Stronger than the Admirals .. FACT (Akainu and Aokiji showed this).

Captain = strongest in the crew ... Fact

Younkou = Strongest pirates .... Fact

It is only logical that the man who leads all the forces of the W.g (Army/Marines/CP9) and so on is the strongest man on that side.

WB is the strongest man alive.. but Garp is said to be the man who fought on par with Roger. Notice how WB was called the strongest man alive because he was said to have the strongest DF.... lol.

Fleet admiral being stronger than the admirals is something you made up. Sengoku was a FA and was weaker than Garp. Being the only marine to ever match a near prime Roger is far more impressive than being a Chief in commander which is not only something you can aquire with strength alone. And no, Whitebeard wasn't the strongest because he had the strongest devil fruit. He was the strongest because he was the only man ever match the pirate king.

 

[TheHokage]

Kong was already Admiral when Garp was asked to be Admiral.. soo yea.

On top of that .. sorry that logic fails due to the fact that Pirate King is the strongest pirate.. not the strongest character. Its like saying Younkou > Admirals...... just no.



Rank doesn't mean anything?? Even though the stature of One piece and how strong someone is determined by strength... and they get promoted due to their strength.

You do realize Garp turned down multiple offers to become an admiral so for all you know he might have been asked before Kong...so your logic is flawed.

Actually the Pirate King is implied to be the strongest character since he or she would have the strength to be free for as long as they like...unless of course your implying Roger wasn't the strongest character in One Piece so far...and it seems to me your in a way implying Kong > Roger...which is just stupid.

Also I'm not implying Yonkou > Admirals despite from what we've seen from both Shanks and Whitebeard the two are stronger than the admirals 1 v 1 but anyway Roger was stronger than Whitebeard he was the strongest pirate before he died and Sengoku said Whitebeard was the strongest man after he died soo...again this implies Roger > Kong... face it the Pirate King is the strongest character and the only Marine that comes close to that strength is Garp...at the moment.

Oh so Buggy is as strong as the other warlords then hm? Is Garp Vice Admiral strength?...Titles are exactly that just titles, Kong's title doesn't come with some unrivaled strength, his title comes from the World Government and because how loyal he is to them not to mention all the years of servitude...now don't get me wrong I think Kong is strong most likely admiral level even now...but against someone like Dragon who is most likely the strongest character at the moment...please.

 

[KingHashirama]

May I jut point out that Garp is the most highly hyped Marine.

The ranks show power in influence over others ; not individual strength , this is proven by the fact Garp was the strongest Marine and yet not an Admiral. It's possible he still is the strongest Marine.

No sadly he only considered the Hero of the Marines... Not the strongest Marine.


Rank in one piece symbolizes power. Just look at the strawhats....

Fleet admiral being stronger than the admirals is something you made up. Sengoku was a FA and was weaker than Garp. Being the only marine to ever match a near prime Roger is far more impressive than being a Chief in commander which is not only something you can aquire with strength alone. And no, Whitebeard wasn't the strongest because he had the strongest devil fruit. He was the strongest because he was the only man ever match the pirate king.

So to counter that you used the only exception in the series to that rule which is Garp. Why? And maybe Kong never fought Roger?? Ever think about that? Not every single admiral of that time has to go and fight Roger.. No Whitebeard was the strongest because he had the strongest devil fruit.. You just said Garp could match the Pirate King.. now only WB can? Hell Sengoku and WB are portrayed on the same level..

You do realize Garp turned down multiple offers to become an admiral so for all you know he might have been asked before Kong...so your logic is flawed.

Actually the Pirate King is implied to be the strongest character since he or she would have the strength to be free for as long as they like...unless of course your implying Roger wasn't the strongest character in One Piece so far...and it seems to me your in a way implying Kong > Roger...which is just stupid.

Also I'm not implying Yonkou > Admirals despite from what we've seen from both Shanks and Whitebeard the two are stronger than the admirals 1 v 1 but anyway Roger was stronger than Whitebeard he was the strongest pirate before he died and Sengoku said Whitebeard was the strongest man after he died soo...again this implies Roger > Kong... face it the Pirate King is the strongest character and the only Marine that comes close to that strength is Garp...at the moment.

Oh so Buggy is as strong as the other warlords then hm? Is Garp Vice Admiral strength?...Titles are exactly that just titles, Kong's title doesn't come with some unrivaled strength, his title comes from the World Government and because how loyal he is to them not to mention all the years of servitude...now don't get me wrong I think Kong is strong most likely admiral level even now...but against someone like Dragon who is most likely the strongest character at the moment...please.

YOUR WHOLE ARGUMENT IS BASED ON THE 1 EXCEPTION TO THE RULE....

Akainu became the fleet admiral because he was the strongest admiral. FACT.

Captain - always the strongest FACT.

First Mate//Vice-Captain- Second strongest . FACT.


Admirals > VA> Other marines... FACT

Smoker got stronger... he got promoted. FACT.

Luffy becomes stronger.. his bounty goes up. FACT.

Younkou - Strongest Pirates. FACT.


You are dehyping Kong by using the hype of the others. On top of that the mere fact WB was called the strongest man.. even though Garp and Roger were said to be on par.. should make you realize that it was just a mere hype, used because he had the strongest DF. As far as we know Kong wasn't even concerned with WB or Roger.. We don't even know if they fought.

So Actually i do have the right to judge his power based on his rank.

 

[Hijey]

So to counter that you used the only exception in the series to that rule which is Garp. Why? And maybe Kong never fought Roger?? Ever think about that? Not every single admiral of that time has to go and fight Roger.. No Whitebeard was the strongest because he had the strongest devil fruit.. You just said Garp could match the Pirate King.. now only WB can? Hell Sengoku and WB are portrayed on the same level..

Because for all we know, the the three admirals could have been stronger than FA but it's not conclusive. The only time a FA has been the strongest is now as far as we know and you're acting like that's the case. Why would I consider if Kong ever fought Roger where there is nothing hinting at it? You can go ahead and give any evidence for why we should even consider something like that. And what the hell. I said Garp could match Roger who was almost at his prime. Whitebeard could match prime Roger. He wasn't strongest because of his fruit, he became the strongest man after Roger's death because nobody could have that title because the two strongest were equally strong. So, drop the idea that he was the strongest because he so happened to have the strongest devil fruit. It's just as bad as Mihawk being the strongest swordsman because he has the strongest sword. Sengoku has never been portrayed to be on same level as Whitebeard.

 

[KingHashirama]

Because for all we know, the the three admirals could have been stronger than FA but it's not conclusive. The only time a FA has been the strongest is now as far as we know and you're acting like that's the case. Why would I consider if Kong ever fought Roger where there is nothing hinting at it? You can go ahead and give any evidence for why we should even consider something like that. And what the hell. I said Garp could match Roger who was almost at his prime. Whitebeard could match prime Roger. He wasn't strongest because of his fruit, he became the strongest man after Roger's death because nobody could have that title because the two strongest were equally strong. So, drop the idea that he was the strongest because he so happened to have the strongest devil fruit. It's just as bad as Mihawk being the strongest swordsman because he has the strongest sword. Sengoku has never been portrayed to be on same level as Whitebeard.

That makes no sense... Garp also fought Roger when Roger was at his prime ....

Also, Sadly that has always been the case. But there is something called being "promoted" if you get strongest your rank increases. I never said Kong fought Roger...

Roger > WB... Sengoku has never been protrayed that way... really? Is this a bloody joke? There is a difference between portrayal and Hype.

 

[Hijey]

That makes no sense... Garp also fought Roger when Roger was at his prime ....

It does make sense. Roger and Garp fought each other many times over a long period. However, Garp could not keep up all the way with Roger and the only man to match Roger's final strength was Whitebeard.

Also, Sadly that has always been the case. But there is something called being "promoted" if you get strongest your rank increases. I never said Kong fought Roger...

Nothing indicates that being the FA means you are stronger than the the Marines greatest military - the admirals, other than having the last word on decisions.

Roger > WB... Sengoku has never been protrayed that way... really? Is this a bloody joke? There is a difference between portrayal and Hype.

Roger = Whitebeard. The two monsters that were stronger than everyone else were those two. Sengoku has never been portrayed or hyped to be on their level.

 

[KingHashirama]

It does make sense. Roger and Garp fought each other many times over a long period. However, Garp could not keep up all the way with Roger and the only man to match Roger's final strength was Whitebeard.



Nothing indicates that being the FA means you are stronger than the the Marines greatest military - the admirals, other than having the last word on decisions.


Roger = Whitebeard. The two monsters that were stronger than everyone else were those two. Sengoku has never been portrayed or hyped to be on their level.

Proof of that?

No proof of that? well Akainu (the strongest Admiral) promoted to VA should be proof enough.. but you want to deny it though.

Roger is the pirate King.. strongest Pirate of the series. Sengoku has been portrayed to be on Garp's level.. when both of them were just standing and watching over them. On top of that Garp specifically told Sengoku to hold him down.

 

[VongolaX]

Dragon has one thing long doesn't.....will of d

Dragon wasn't even known to Human

I can't see someone of Dragons caliber still being inferior to his old man.

I mean garp in his prime took orders from nobody, not even Kong or whoever was giving him
The promotion

 

[Hijey]

Proof of that?

It was stated only Whitebeard was the only man to ever be as strong as the pirate king. After Roger's death, it was clear to everybody that Whitebeard was without a doubt the strongest man.

No proof of that? well Akainu (the strongest Admiral) promoted to VA should be proof enough.. but you want to deny it though.

That isn't proof. This is the first time something like this happened between two admirals. If it actually was strength based, this would have happened more often. Or more importantly, a fight between Akainu and Aokiji wouldn't be needed because Akainu was stronger.

Roger is the pirate King.. strongest Pirate of the series. Sengoku has been portrayed to be on Garp's level.. when both of them were just standing and watching over them. On top of that Garp specifically told Sengoku to hold him down.

You're not the strongest pirate in the world when there was someone that could match you. Sengoku is on Garp's general level, but he is not as strong as Garp. One is known for his strength and the other is known for his intelligence. Sengoku being able to hold down Garp in an advantage position like that is no different that Sanji being able to do the same to Luffy.

 

[Avinash012]

Chief-in-Commander of all the forces > Hero of only the Marines.


Admirals = Strongest of the Marines... FACT

Fleet-Admiral = Stronger than the Admirals .. FACT (Akainu and Aokiji showed this).

Captain = strongest in the crew ... Fact

Admirals may be strongest but the people above that level has no need to be any stronger than Admirals ....one should be well experienced & a wise man to be at that level...Even if Grap is willing to be the FA they'll still choose Sengoku as FA regardless of the fact that Grap > Sengoku .....
Also u r logics won't work in case of Grap due to Obvious reasons ...
Remember Sengoku wanted Aokiji to be the next FA yet he is not the strongest Admiral....

Younkou = Strongest pirates .... Fact

This guy disagrees

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HE > All Younkou exept Shanks...

WB is the strongest man alive.. but Garp is said to be the man who fought on par with Roger. Notice how WB was called the strongest man alive because he was said to have the strongest DF.... lol.

Let me give u a good example:

Hashirama is the strongest man & Madara is the only one that can fight on par with Hashirama ...is there any need for Madara to be as strong as Hashirama to do that..?
No..the same logic goes for Grap as well ...

Grap is the only one that can fight on par with Roger but he never considered as an Equal bu anyone ,,,,observe the difference ...

Grap can push Roger/ Wb to thire limits but ultimatly he can't win against either of them ...WB /Roger wins in 6/10 fights ..
Grap > all others exept WB & Roger....

means that all of them in u r pic in OP are < Grap < Roger=WB

So to counter that you used the only exception in the series to that rule which is Garp. Why? And maybe Kong never fought Roger?? Ever think about that? Not every single admiral of that time has to go and fight Roger.. No Whitebeard was the strongest because he had the strongest devil fruit.. You just said Garp could match the Pirate King.. now only WB can? Hell Sengoku and WB are portrayed on the same level..

He is an admiral during Rogers ara...he probably would have fought Roger ...Sengoku never portrayed as an Equal to Grap..

Grap got more hype than any other Marine...

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

No sadly he only considered the Hero of the Marines... Not the strongest Marine.


Rank in one piece symbolizes power. Just look at the strawhats....

There are no ranks in the Strawhats. There are positions but that's it.
Garp refused multiple promotions to be an admiral. Because he was never an Admiral he couldn't gain higher ranks later. Ranks do symbolize power ; power in terms of how influencial their decisions are etc.

Stop being an idiot and open your eyes. Garp fought Roger and almost killed eachother many times. Considering how Roger was equal to prime WB (whom would stomp MF WB) ; that's pretty impressive. Way about the Admiral Tier. So of course he is a hero of the marines.

He was confident in killing Sakazuki in the war out of rage. Proving he still is stronger than the strongest Admiral/Fleet Admiral within the marines (even after being as old as he is). Kong at best was (in his prime before he weakens due to age like everyone does) about as strong as Sengoku/Sakazuki.

 

[TheHokage]

No sadly he only considered the Hero of the Marines... Not the strongest Marine.


Rank in one piece symbolizes power. Just look at the strawhats....



So to counter that you used the only exception in the series to that rule which is Garp. Why? And maybe Kong never fought Roger?? Ever think about that? Not every single admiral of that time has to go and fight Roger.. No Whitebeard was the strongest because he had the strongest devil fruit.. You just said Garp could match the Pirate King.. now only WB can? Hell Sengoku and WB are portrayed on the same level..



YOUR WHOLE ARGUMENT IS BASED ON THE 1 EXCEPTION TO THE RULE....

Akainu became the fleet admiral because he was the strongest admiral. FACT.

Captain - always the strongest FACT.

First Mate//Vice-Captain- Second strongest . FACT.


Admirals > VA> Other marines... FACT

Smoker got stronger... he got promoted. FACT.

Luffy becomes stronger.. his bounty goes up. FACT.

Younkou - Strongest Pirates. FACT.


You are dehyping Kong by using the hype of the others. On top of that the mere fact WB was called the strongest man.. even though Garp and Roger were said to be on par.. should make you realize that it was just a mere hype, used because he had the strongest DF. As far as we know Kong wasn't even concerned with WB or Roger.. We don't even know if they fought.

So Actually i do have the right to judge his power based on his rank.

No Akainu wasn't promoted due to just his strength he was promoted to Fleet Admiral because those higher up in the world Government wanted him to be fleet admiral. Now I'm not going to deny Akainu is probably the strongest Marine now since Garp has aged but Akainu is also likely to be stronger than Kong as well.

Also if there's 1 exception why can't there be more?

I don't doubt the rankings such as captains being stronger than Vice Captains however you can't say someone is stronger than another purely just because they have a higher rank it just doesn't work like that take the guy who had the elephant sword the one who was in control of the CP9 he was weaker than all of them yet he was the leader and in control of them.

Now I'm going to get back on track with the Dragon vs Kong case...Dragon is the most hyped character so far his name causes people to fear even Vice admirals...and considering Dragon is going against the world government and the marines something even Yonkou's don't do unless they have a reason and as we saw even Whitebeard and his crew where no match for the marines and the world government...so based on this we can assume Dragon's strength is either as great a s a Yonkou or he's even stronger.

Dragon > Kong

Mid/high difficulty.