Mokuton Naruto Incoming, Naruto's Final Power-Up as Ashura!!

[Minator93]

@minator
When you have it, you will have the access of (hax) jutsu.

That's a comman knowledge but the Rinnegan representing Juubi's mind is un-heard of, Rinnegan isn't malice U_U

 

[duren batu]

That's a comman knowledge but the Rinnegan representing Juubi's mind is un-heard of, Rinnegan isn't malice U_U

That's just part of my theory ^^, the jubi trinity(body, mind, and soul).
I think juubi is neutral. It is force of nature after all.

 

[Minator93]

That's just part of my theory ^^, the jubi trinity(body, mind, and soul).
I think juubi is neutral. It is force of nature after all.

I agree with Juubi possessing body mind soul etc but Rinnegan can't be it's mind, Rinnegan is simply Juubi's vision and nothing more.

 

[xxSAGExx]

Wouldn't Naruto have to learn how to use both earth and water chakra then learn to combine them plus learn the hand signs?

 

[Minator93]

Wouldn't Naruto have to learn how to use both earth and water chakra then learn to combine them plus learn the hand signs?

No need,I don't think Danzou or Oro or even Obito ever had to do that.

 

[xxSAGExx]

No need,I don't think Danzou or Oro or even Obito ever had to do that.

Well in the flashback Danzo was the one to give Yamato the scroll with Hashirama's wood jutsus haha but none of them really used wood style except Obito a little (he was trained by Madara and did have about 20 years where he could have trained and he had Zetsu to help him with wood style when he killed the Mist Anbu) and Yamato.

Well you did just make me remember that Yamato already explained to Naruto how to make Wood chakra, combining water and earth chakra and his chakra control is pretty much the best right now so he probably can do it and make up his own jutsus as he done with Rasengan's and the Bijuus power. Guess I rather Kishi follow the rules he already setup but he's already abandon his own logic lol

 

[Minator93]

Well in the flashback Danzo was the one to give Yamato the scroll with Hashirama's wood jutsus haha but none of them really used wood style except Obito a little (he was trained by Madara and did have about 20 years where he could have trained and he had Zetsu to help him with wood style when he killed the Mist Anbu) and Yamato.

Well you did just make me remember that Yamato already explained to Naruto how to make Wood chakra, combining water and earth chakra and his chakra control is pretty much the best right now so he probably can do it and make up his own jutsus as he done with Rasengan's and the Bijuus power. Guess I rather Kishi follow the rules he already setup but he's already abandon his own logic lol

The technical way was explained by Yamato as to how Mokuton works and there have been many skilled users with all 5 Natures or 4 Natures or with the Natures required for Mokuton yet nobody used it. Hiruzen who personally knew Hashirama, had all 5 elements was stronger than Hashirama in his prime couldn't use Mokuton. I believe you have to have it in your chakra like a tailed beast. And that's where Ashura's chakra comes into the play.

Let's see what happens in next few chapters.

 

[xxSAGExx]

The technical way was explained by Yamato as to how Mokuton works and there have been many skilled users with all 5 Natures or 4 Natures or with the Natures required for Mokuton yet nobody used it. Hiruzen who personally knew Hashirama, had all 5 elements was stronger than Hashirama in his prime couldn't use Mokuton. I believe you have to have it in your chakra like a tailed beast. And that's where Ashura's chakra comes into the play.

Let's see what happens in next few chapters.

Oh I know that you need to have the ability to combine water and earth chakra into would, it's a KKG like Haku's ice. Hiruzen could use all 5 elements from training to learn them all but he didn't have the ability to combine them into any new element as far as we know. Mei is the best in this field as she could use water, earth, fire, boiling, and lava and Oonoki just as good by being able to combine 3 elements to form Dust release.

 

[Minator93]

Oh I know that you need to have the ability to combine water and earth chakra into would, it's a KKG like Haku's ice. Hiruzen could use all 5 elements from training to learn them all but he didn't have the ability to combine them into any new element as far as we know. Mei is the best in this field as she could use water, earth, fire, boiling, and lava and Oonoki just as good by being able to combine 3 elements to form Dust release.

I see your point with combining but tbh it doesn't fit that Hiruzen who has mastered all elements and was known as the God of All Shinobis who was even greater than Hashirama can't combine two Natures whereas someone like Yamato does? But That's not the point here, Yamato or all others who used Hashirama's Mokuton could do it because they had his DNA/Chakra, meaning depiste the skill of combining elements people were unable to use Mokuton which again leads to the main point of Mokuton being transferred from,

Kaguya-->Hagoromo-->Ashura-->His Transmigrants-->Second Last Transmigrant Shodai Hokage Hashirama--> Current Tranmigrant Naruto!

 

[FleeOnSight]

I must say I enjoy reading your threads. Nice theory. +rep

 

[Minator93]

I must say I enjoy reading your threads. Nice theory. +rep

I'm glad to hear it

 

[bashkim]

Why should he need power up? Even if Sasuke gets a other Rinnegan. He kept up with Kaguya even he was not using full power.
Naruto has Rikudo senjutsu so he has more enough power.

 

[Multiply]

Good thread.

 

[Minator93]

Why should he need power up? Even if Sasuke gets a other Rinnegan. He kept up with Kaguya even he was not using full power.
Naruto has Rikudo senjutsu so he has more enough power.

It's not the matter of "Need" it's the matter of his destiny. If he follow the pattern and all the clues Kishi has dropped throughout part 2 it's clear that Naruto will get the Mokuton as did Hashirama, Ashura's previous transmigrant.

Sasuke isn't getting the second Rinnegan, the "Last" movie has confirmed that much.

Good thread.

Thanks man

 

[bashkim]

It's not the matter of "Need" it's the matter of his destiny. If he follow the pattern and all the clues Kishi has dropped throughout part 2 it's clear that Naruto will get the Mokuton as did Hashirama, Ashura's previous transmigrant.

Sasuke isn't getting the second Rinnegan, the "Last" movie has confirmed that much.


So you thing Asura chakra will bloomed in Naruto and gave him the ability to use wood style , am I correct ?
If this would happened it would make much sense, because why did not Hashirama ever uses Ashura´s avtar?
Naruto was never able to performs other jutsu based on his wind element. He is only using the Futon Rasen Shuriken.

But your thread was very interesting to read.

 

[Minator93]

So you thing Asura chakra will bloomed in Naruto and gave him the ability to use wood style , am I correct ?
If this would happened it would make much sense, because why did not Hashirama ever uses Ashura´s avtar?
Naruto was never able to performs other jutsu based on his wind element. He is only using the Futon Rasen Shuriken.

But your thread was very interesting to read.

1. Yes that's it.

2. The reason why Hashirama didn't use Ashura Avatar is the same reason Naruto hasn't used it.

3. Naruto now has all the elements but having it all doesn't mean you can use Mokuton, I mean look at Hiruzen. You need Ashura's chakra to bloom and then you get access to Mokuton.

 

[xxSAGExx]

I see your point with combining but tbh it doesn't fit that Hiruzen who has mastered all elements and was known as the God of All Shinobis who was even greater than Hashirama can't combine two Natures whereas someone like Yamato does? But That's not the point here, Yamato or all others who used Hashirama's Mokuton could do it because they had his DNA/Chakra, meaning depiste the skill of combining elements people were unable to use Mokuton which again leads to the main point of Mokuton being transferred from,

Kaguya-->Hagoromo-->Ashura-->His Transmigrants-->Second Last Transmigrant Shodai Hokage Hashirama--> Current Tranmigrant Naruto!

But it doesn't matter how strong Hiruzen was, wood chakra is a KKG so if he didn't have it in his DN then he couldn't create that chakra. Yamato was only able to do it because Orochimaru did many experiments and I think it was 60 babies with only Yamato surviving the experiment. Mei actually had 2 KKG, Boiling and Lava but to get that she had to learn the needed elements which are fire and water for boiling and fire and earth for lava. It's not about skills only, sure you need the skills to learn all of the needed elements and be able to combine them but you need the KKG to be able to do so.

Kaguya and Hagoromo have Rinnegans which allow them to use any elements they want, Obito combined at least 4 to make his black Jinton like attack as Juubito while Jinton takes 3 elements itself, Madara used storm element as well. Hashirama had the KKG for it so he had it by DNA. This is why they all need Hashirama's DNA to access his KKG but we never see anyone put Hashirama's cells in and automatically start using wood jutsus, Danzo had years to learn it, Yamato had years, Madara could of had the elements but he would gain them with Rinnegan, Obito had Zetsu when he first used it then had years to learn it himself

 

[bashkim]

1. Yes that's it.

2. The reason why Hashirama didn't use Ashura Avatar is the same reason Naruto hasn't used it.

3. Naruto now has all the elements but having it all doesn't mean you can use Mokuton, I mean look at Hiruzen. You need Ashura's chakra to bloom and then you get access to Mokuton.

I do not know why Naruto is not using his avatar, but I think his avatar will be special. Beside Asura power awakened years later, but there is no doubt, that having all elements does not mean you are able to use mokuton. I read in the internet that Hashirma wood style is KKG.

Naruto used the power of the bijus (chakra) to combine with is standards moves ransengan and Rasenshuriken.

But if you are right, Naruto wood style would be stronger, than Hashirma´s.

 

[NaruSasuRival]

This theory is one of my favorite theory. I am strongly confident that everything in this theory will be accomplished in the coming battle. I even created a thread to say this battle will be the most awesome and fine battle Naruto has ever fought. Those who think Naruto will use offensive attack in the upcoming battle are people who don't get the philosophy of the manga and the main character: Naruto will save Sasuke from his darkness and Naruto is the heir to Rikudo, not Ashura.

Now, why Kishi did not give Mokuton to Naruto from the start?

First, Naruto is not just Ashura's reincarnation. Unlike Sasuke who was born uchiha, Naruto was born from two different clan with a twisted fate (Kyuubi). Kishi started by showing Naruto as a Jinchuriki, then as Minato's son, and now as Ashura's reincarnation. Thus, this is the season of Ashura's reincarnation. Even Sasuke is now done with being uchiha and is in his season of Indra's reincarnation.

Second, Mokuton is a endgame Jutsu. It is unbeatable, and I mean someone who has such water + earth +wind, and has mastered chakra control and sage mode is simply one with nature. He is the land itself and is unbeatable no matter what you throw on him. Also, from all my experience reading Manga, Mokuton users never get defeated, and they are always wise people who can sacrifice themselve to save others.

This being said, if Kishi had given Mokuton to Naruto at the beginning of the series, they would be no rivalry in this manga.

 

[Megatolium]

Good theory but one flaw. Naruto may have Mokuton but he doesn't know how to handle combine 2 Chakra Natures, namely Earth and Water.

He had no training either.