Mokuton Analysis and Possible Abilities

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This thread is primarily a theory as to the nature and power of the mokuton, and its secondary purpose is to show that Hashirama managed to stop Madara's perfect susanoo sword

3 Points


1. Mokuton seems to be a unique technique capable of life giving energy. Normal chakra wielded by the user transforms into a form of life, i.e trees

2. Certain aspects of this technique seem capable of draining chakra somehow.

3. Due to the 2nd point, it might be possible that since the mokuton has the ability to absorb massive amounts of chakra, that it may be able to provide natural resistance or act as a buffer against chakra heavy forms, including chakra based attacks.



The first point requires little explanation, so i'll skip ahead to the final two.

Mokuton's Possible Chakra Drainage.

This point can be further sub divided into two points, namely:
- Hashirama's tailed beast control
- Zetsu's abilities


Hashirama's tailed beast control:

The first hokage was said to be the man who invented wood release and it came to be known as his signature move. Among the many things that he accomplished, one of them would be to gain control over several tailed beasts:
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About Bijjus:
The bijju are feared across the shinobi world as monsters of chakra, to be able to have a number of them under his control seems impossible due to the instability it would cause. Note: Obito did NOT say that those beasts were under a jinchuriki, they were simply stated to be under Hashirama's personal control. While its true that Mito was the 9 tails jinchuriki, what about the other bijuu? How exactly were their unstable natures restrained w/o causing havoc, before Hashirama distributed them to the other nations?

How did Hashirama control the tailed beasts?
We can surmise that either they were sealed, or that some technique capable of holding their massive chakras kept them restrained. The sealing option seems impossible, because:
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Its physically and conceptually impossible to completely seal a bijuu, this statement was made with respect to the 9 tails, but it can be logically extended to include the other beasts, since they all come from the same source, i.e the juubi.

The only option then is that Hashirama somehow used a mokutn technique to keep a hold on the chakra of several tailed beasts.

What mokuton has shown:
Later on in the manga, we are shown glimpses of Hashirama's techniques including the wooden dragon and how it was used to bind the kyuubi. When we see the tech in action, take a look at how the kyuubi goes from this state:
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To this:
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As guy says, that tree was absorbing the kyuubi's chakra. And at quite a rapid rate at that. As the kyuubi's chakra shroud around naruto diminished, the tree grew in size, almost as if the energy was being transferred to the technique, somewhat like how kisame's samehada works. It seems that mokuton can feed off itself in this regard.

More Evidence for Chakra Absorption:
Yamato, another wood user also showed us something remarkable when naruto first went into kyuubi mode:
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The wooden statue grew in size when exposed to the chakra rich life force of the kyuubi. Once again proving how mokuton seems to be able to absorb chakra, or at least certain techniques of it can feed off of it.

But Wait..
But where am i going with all this? The only times mokuton absorbed chakra was when it was related to the tailed beasts, so if the argument becomes about, say a high chakra attack from a non bijuu source, could it still be used to hold at bay the chakra of said attack...?

Zetsu's Abilities:

Zetsu and Mokuton
As explained by Madara, Zetsu was an artificial clone created using Senju hashirama's DNA. Up until now, everyone that has acquired Hahirama's dna, even if just a piece, has been able to use the mokuuton. Examples include Danzo, Madara, Obito, Yamato etc. So for a being made entirely of said DNA, it goes without saying that this being's abilities would be mokuton's and vice versa.

What We Know:
Some Zetsu feats thus far:
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Zetsu can absorb chakra, and we all know that they are cells of the 1st hokage, but there's more than that, basically zetsu is itself a form of mokuton:
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Zetsus turn into mokuton trees after being destroyed.

Carrying On
So using this analysis we can conclude that mokuton, based on the evidence gathered from zetsu, is capable of absorbing chakra besides tailed beasts. In fact, if we were to extrapolate, we could say that the stronger the mokuton technique is, the greater its ability to absorb chakra would be, e.g the wood dragon could absorb even the kyuubi's chakra, while zetsu(a far weaker offshoot of mokuuton) can only absorb limited chakra amounts from any given shinobi.
What's more, zetsu can give out absorbed chakra, as was done to Sasuke during his fight with the kages.




Mokuton's Natural Chakra Resistance:

The Final Point:
And now, finally to get to the last point of this thread. During this scan:
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The mokuton hands in the image at the top right capture Madara's perfect susanoo sword. With the other free hand, the fused PS/kyuubi combination goes onto wreak havoc with the terrain.

Evidence For Skeptics And Fools:
First up, there's no doubt that was Perfect susanoo's sword slash, because:
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There are only 2 swords shown in that image, and they just tanked a bijuu dama from kurama. No other sword could do that.
So the question is: how did Hashi pull off a tech that appear to be nothing more than a pair of hands, and block a slash that can cut through mountains?

Analysis:

As we've learned thus far, mokuton has the ability to absorb chakra and transfer it from one source to another, e.g from the kages to Sasuke. It can also absorb massive amounts of chakra, be it from the Kyuubi or other tailed beasts, but mostly this depends on the type of mokuton technique used. Using all of the evidence i have presented thus far in the thread, my theory is as follows:

Conclusion, and Some Speculation:
'Both during the instance where the mokuton hands were used to stop the sword slash mid swing, and when the Kyuubi's bijuu dama was caught, Hashirama mixed up the properties of his mokuton to maximize his result. First, he used the chakra absorbing properties of mokuton to temporarily make the outer layer of the hands absorb the chakra from the sword so the wood would'nt break. Then, he went on to transfer this new chakra and use it in his next attack. Take a look at the image above again. Using the chakra from the PS's sword slash, he channeled it into his next attack: mokuton hotei no jutsu where SEVERAL different hands appeared.
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Madara knew that that wood hand was capable of doing this, so he immediatley used his other free hand to destroy this technique by attacking at its base, lest it absorb his susanoo/kyuubi combo's chakra and leave him depleted. '


Thoughts?
 

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Great thread but I only disagree about the part that Wood Dragon got bigger after absorbing Naruto's chakra. In scans it shows that it stayed the same.

And I dont really think that his Mokuton can absorb normal chakra like from Susannoo, otherwise Yamato would be so OP and yet he didnt show any such feat. Hashirama only absorbed Bijuu's chakra, no other proof that it can absorb normal chakra, but then there is question about Zetsu's ability to drain.

Anyway, great job!
 

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Awsome job man. We need more stuff like this. Not stuff that goes against the manga like some of the other theories.

If what you said is true. Then Mokuton = Rinnegan.
 

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good job! I think mokuton works that way too
Thanks man.
Great thread but I only disagree about the part that Wood Dragon got bigger after absorbing Naruto's chakra. In scans it shows that it stayed the same.

And I dont really think that his Mokuton can absorb normal chakra like from Susannoo, otherwise Yamato would be so OP and yet he didnt show any such feat. Hashirama only absorbed Bijuu's chakra, no other proof that it can absorb normal chakra, but then there is question about Zetsu's ability to drain.

Anyway, great job!
Possibly not every jutsu that is derived from mokuton works in exactly the same way. Also, being a test subject, the drain on his body to just survive the transplant left yamato far too depleted to fully perform all possible feats. And then there is the zetsu question, how does he do it if it is indeed not a virtue of mokuton to absorb chakra?
But thanks anyway.
Awsome job man. We need more stuff like this. Not stuff that goes against the manga like some of the other theories.

If what you said is true. Then Mokuton = Rinnegan.
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As i made this thread i thought the same thing. There does seem to be a connection in abilities, though it is vague.
 

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Great thread but I only disagree about the part that Wood Dragon got bigger after absorbing Naruto's chakra. In scans it shows that it stayed the same.

And I dont really think that his Mokuton can absorb normal chakra like from Susannoo, otherwise Yamato would be so OP and yet he didnt show any such feat. Hashirama only absorbed Bijuu's chakra, no other proof that it can absorb normal chakra, but then there is question about Zetsu's ability to drain.

Anyway, great job!
Look at the scan again. The Wood Dragon gave off trees, a forest rather, after absorbing the Kyūbi's chakra.

OT: Nice job. You actually helped me out on my little theory/thoughts for the mechanics of Mokuton, it's more complex than most think. I'm not gonna lie, I started getting a little pissed in the beginning because most of it was just summarization, I was raging too thinking "where's the heck's the analyzing." Don't worry it was all good though.
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We know that the ultimate source of chakra was the Jūbi. We also know that Hashirama, being a Senju, contains fragments from the Sage and the Jūbi. This being said, do you think that the Preta Path of the Rinnegan and Mokuton are somehow related/connected to each other? I ask this due to the chakra-draining properties of the two techniques. Just a question, it's been on my mind for a long time now but never found the appropriate thread to ask this on until now.
 

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Look at the scan again. The Wood Dragon gave off trees, a forest rather, after absorbing the Kyūbi's chakra.

OT: Nice job. You actually helped me out on my little theory/thoughts for the mechanics of Mokuton, it's more complex than most think. I'm not gonna lie, I started getting a little pissed in the beginning because most of it was just summarization, I was raging too thinking "where's the heck's the analyzing." Don't worry it was all good though.
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We know that the ultimate source of chakra was the Jūbi. We also know that Hashirama, being a Senju, contains fragments from the Sage and the Jūbi. This being said, do you think that the Preta Path of the Rinnegan and Mokuton are somehow related/connected to each other? I ask this due to the chakra-draining properties of the two techniques. Just a question, it's been on my mind for a long time now but never found the appropriate thread to ask this on until now.
To be honest there were many parts i rushed through towards the end because i was short on time. The zetsu subject i've left to the reader to imply the meaning and i have'nt gone into even 10% of the detail on that subject as i had planned.

The rinnegan is impossible to achieve without senju dna, so i don't doubt the connection between the 2 abilities of preta path and mokuton. My theory(very long topic best left for another time as far as the details go) is that out of the 6 paths that the wielder of the rikudo's power(eye/rinnegan) half of those paths come from the senju while the other 3 from the Uchiha. Preta path would be classified as a senju lineage ability, but its not possible to be certain 100% since there is limited info on other senjus besides hashirama.
 

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I agree with your theory, both Bijuu and non-Bijuu chakra can be absorbed by Mokuton. But the scale of the absorption is directly proportional to the Mokuton user's capability, good job! :win:
Thanks Derp! Yeah the scale depends on the user but the absorption was something i had always noticed/suspected about mokuton but saw had never really been mentioned before.
 

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It's like rinnegan has a few abilities from sharingan and mokuton. Absorbing from what we see hashi's dragon and zetsu and from the sharingan shrina tensei (sort off) the sharingan reflects your emotions. Weird but good job
 

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It's like rinnegan has a few abilities from sharingan and mokuton. Absorbing from what we see hashi's dragon and zetsu and from the sharingan shrina tensei (sort off) the sharingan reflects your emotions. Weird but good job
Not just mokuton but more pecifically seems to have the combined powers of the senju and the uchiha, perhaps being a senju is what allowed hashirama to develop the mokuton. And thanks.
Great job, I already knew some of this But i thought it was because and water absorbed chakra. like kisame that make wood absorbed chakra. cuz wood = water + earth
No single nature type on its own absorbs chakra, that was something specific to kisame. If water could absorb chakra, why didnt suigetsu try that when he fought bee?
 

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you're looking far too much in mokutons ability to suppress chakra. its just a side ability of mokuton. it has no use in actual combat. its heavily implied that chakra absorbing wouldnt work on susano. all hashirama did was catch the sword then do another jutsu.
 

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That's Senju for ya. I wish we get to see some of their powers through Naruto. I'm tired of those those emo uchias and their op abilities.
Lol i guess but if the recent flashbacks are any indication the senju seemed to be superior to the uchiha in battle.
you're looking far too much in mokutons ability to suppress chakra. its just a side ability of mokuton. it has no use in actual combat. its heavily implied that chakra absorbing wouldnt work on susano. all hashirama did was catch the sword then do another jutsu.
Thats not the only instance, he also caught the kyuubis bijju dama, a pure mass of immense chakra. Mere wood would explode, the point is mokuton is not mere wood. Its debatable if it would work on susanoo, but it obviously is capable of blocking the sword of perfect susanoo, also if you re read the thread youll see this absorption comes into play during battle situations. And no, an explanation is badly needed when some wood resists a power capable of cutting mountains and changing the terrain.
 

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Lol i guess but if the recent flashbacks are any indication the senju seemed to be superior to the uchiha in battle.


Thats not the only instance, he also caught the kyuubis bijju dama, a pure mass of immense chakra. Mere wood would explode, the point is mokuton is not mere wood. Its debatable if it would work on susanoo, but it obviously is capable of blocking the sword of perfect susanoo, also if you re read the thread youll see this absorption comes into play during battle situations. And no, an explanation is badly needed when some wood resists a power capable of cutting mountains and changing the terrain.
thats just because the mokuton construct that hashirama made was strong enough to catch bijudama.

if chakra absorbing tactics could work on susano then hashirama wouldve just used a mokuryu but he didnt so that proves that it cant work.

its not just "some wood", hashirama beat madara with a 50,000 ft+ mokuton construct that can rewrite maps just like madaras susano.
 
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Lol i guess but if the recent flashbacks are any indication the senju seemed to be superior to the uchiha in battle.
Where? We know Hashirama was stronger than Madara, but we have no idea how he beat him. Also, Madara's powers are standard Uchiha unlocks. What are Senju's powers. Kishi has a lot of explaining to do. Kishi just loves his Uchiha booty. Apparently he had a transsexual girlfreind who's name was Uchiha, and she had a nice booty that Kishimoto loved and that's why he loves the Uchiha.
 

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thats just because the mokuton construct that hashirama made was strong enough to catch bijudama.

if chakra absorbing tactics could work on susano then hashirama wouldve just used a mokuryu but he didnt so that proves that it cant work.

its not just "some wood", hashirama beat madara with a 50,000 ft+ mokuton construct that can rewrite maps just like madaras susano.
When did i say it can work on susano? I told you it works on pure chakra attacks that susanoo would use. Obviously mokuruyy has its limits to how much chakra it can absorb. But shinsusenju is also a mokuton technique.
 
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