Misconceptions/Plotholes/Asspull thread (Naruto manga only)
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But that is the thing; Sharingan entirely hinges upon eye-sight. It's an eye, nothing more. Even people outside the village knew about MS and its abilities as we saw with Cloud Raikage and Ninjas and Sand Ninjas as well. I believe it isn't a far-fetched probability that (some) people would know about eye-sight as well? If not then strain on the eyes could mean only one thing; trouble with vision. It's a common sense conclusion.
This information must have played a great part in finding out about his own vision troubles. I never mentioned that he was immune. I simply stated that the repercussions weren't as harsh.
When Kakashi first used it on Deidara, his words imply that he had been using it for sometime as his aim was still faulty. Sasuke used Amaterasu once only on Hachibi and he couldn't pick up a glass afterwards. His line of sight immediately got hit hard. After only one use. So much so, that Raikage using his full Version 2 Cloak slipped behind the Amaterasu flame. Why? His flame didn't form on him at all. His vision was affected.
How can you say then that Kakashi didn't escape it when only one use of Amaterasu affected Sasuke's vision and using it several times didn't affect Kakashi's at all? You have to admit that it does seem to be the case. The process is slow.
We cannot say anything for Obito as he had White Zetsu as half his body. Danzo had Hashirama cells to fuel and restore his eye. So we have to look at Sasuke (only) whose eye deterioration was shown in a step by step manner. Itachi was just used as a model to show how far the eye-sight can deteriorate. It's Sasuke where the plot shows how ALL Uchiha would suffer the process once MS is used. As Sasuke is made out to be that lamb who directly showcases the slow sealing of the eye.
If Kakashi's vision after many many uses was only hit hard in war, then it clearly appears that the process was drastically slow for him. What is the one possible reason that could have prevented it from going down the line like Sasuke's? He was a non-Uchiha. The only viable explanation.
They are morons then. I wouldn't take them seriously if I were you. Most people (even those self-proclaimed best debaters) here cannot even read basic sentences. Metaphorical representation will fly over their heads.
What you bring up is indeed logical my friend. I considered this point about how he progressed the Doujutsu as an Edo and the explanation is quite simple. The answer is that Kishi had to show us the progression because at the time we didn not know that Sharingan led to Rinnegan. If Madara had the Rinnegan from the onset, it would shock us too much and the explanation for it would be complicated.
Short answer? It was plot my friend. The most logical explanation is that Madara's Edo was summoned with the most basic form of the doujutusu and he had the capability of restoring its full power. Just think about it logically regarding the rules of Edo Tensei and you'll realize it must be the truth. If he was revived young from the onset, he would not have access to the Rinnegan at all as he did not unlock it by that age.
Madara was young when the coffin was revealed because Kabuto had made the modifications at that point already. After reviving him old, he modified him to restore his youth and then organized the summoning.
Keep in mind that the way the person is revived cannot be changed. How do you suppose he revived him young? As I'm curious. If the age of the DNA is a factor, than maybe Kabuto got DNA from young Madara. If you recall however, Zetsu admitted to leading Kabuto to Madara's corpse. This means the DNA Kabuto used for his revival was of the old Madara. The only logical explanation at that point was that he was revived old. Put simply, you can't change how someone is summoned with Edo Tensei, but you can of course alter them later if you feel so bold.
I suppose we're splitting hairs at this point. I agree that he suffered less in terms of overall vision loss rate, but I still think the manga implies that he did indeed start experiencing this loss very early. I simply can't say that basic statements like 'strain on eyes' make me draw the conclusion that it affects vision long term. That's why I believe Kakashi must have suffered the loss himself. If you were able to determine that just from the first Itachi vs. Kakashi fight, than you are a better analyzer than me haha.
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Seventh Sama
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Seventh Sama
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Um alright. Still was very convenient way to make kakashi useful again but each to their own.
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I agree, we are splitting hairs at this point. Could be a bit of both. My initial point was that for Sasuke, the consequences were too severe, as were with all Uchihas. For Kakashi, the vision loss would have been very subtle. But I doubt he was foolish enough to ignore it. So, I agree there that he must have picked it up from a subtle vision trouble.
Haha, I thought it was obvious enough. And I think from the looks of it, if you picked up that metaphor for EMS, then you know how to connect less subtle dots. You are not that shabby yourself, my friend.
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Obviously I came off as abrasive and I didn't intend that.
If you have an explanation as to how he was revived young I'd love to hear it. I only assume he was revived old because Kabuto used DNA from his old body and the technique brings you back in the state you died in.
If you asked me for my honest opinion, I don't think Kishi has a legit explanation himself, and that's why he didn't explain it in detail.
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Please don't compare being jabbed in the side by the expected Naruto and Sasuke to having your lung destroyed in one fell swoop by your supposed ally whilst having Kaguya's power forced through him.
If you've never been seriously injured, you won't understand the effects of shock. It paralyses you completely, especially when it's unexpected. In this case, it's a double whammy because a) It's his own, long time ally and b) He's been seriously wounded.
Shock is coming from all directions and he's having power forced into him, power much greater than Madara even possessed. You cannot compare his enemies stabbing him in the side to his ally punching him through the chest and having huge amounts of power forced into him. If you can't imagine what's it like having something big forced into you when you can't breathe or move, imagine not being able to move or breathe because your best friend has out of the blue, stabbed you in the back and then forced a drainpipe up your jacksy.