[Discussion] Misconception on Tobi's S/T jutsu

[partha420]

I Like your theory.Rep.

 

[madvillain]

He uses his eye to suck them in, it can't possibly have anything to do with Minato's FTG.

Otherwise he would have used tags like Minato does to use it.
This thread has so many flaws. ​

This ^ i think tobi is Kagami Uchia and learned his space time ninjitsu from the 2nd Hokage imo this makes a lot more sense

 

[chopstickchakra]

I like your theory +rep
Kakashi got his title as the copy cat ninja because he was known to have copied over 1000 jutsu's from other people, hence he got his name.

Ok, but if any sharingan user can copy jutsu's then is it really that impressive that he copied over 1000 jutsus? Is it because he was the last Sharingan user at the time(aside from a rouge Itachi and young Sasuke) that his ability to copy was so respected? It just seems weird to point out one user with the same ability as others as something spectacular, if they praised him for his battle tactics or something I would understand.

 

[Sasuke of the akatsuki]

Ok, but if any sharingan user can copy jutsu's then is it really that impressive that he copied over 1000 jutsus? Is it because he was the last Sharingan user at the time(aside from a rouge Itachi and young Sasuke) that his ability to copy was so respected? It just seems weird to point out one user with the same ability as others as something spectacular, if they praised him for his battle tactics or something I would understand.

Maybe because he wasn't an uchiha that they respected his ability to copy?:shrug:

 

[p0002q]

I like it because more people need to stop comparing Tobi and Kakashi

Side note here:

I believe Madara used Izanagi\creation technique to create Tobi.
Madara respected Hashirama as his rival.
Madara may have also used Izuna's body to create Tobi.
I believe Tobi was simply named after Tobirama and has S\T jutsu like Tobirama.

(Tobirama was said to have had the best S\T jutsu of anyone)

 

[chopstickchakra]

This ^ i think tobi is Kagami Uchia and learned his space time ninjitsu from the 2nd Hokage imo this makes a lot more sense

Why would Tobirama teach one of his best techniques to an Uchiha who he and his family were natural enemies of and thought were suspicious?

Also there is a lot of unclear information about Tobirama i.e Minato said he was extremely skilled in S/T jutsu but

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doesn't list S/T as one of his jutsu. Also in the anime it shows Tobirama executing the Bringer of darkness technique while the manga says Hashirama is the one who performed that jutsu.

 

[psukkar]

Minato compared tobi's jutsu with tobirama time-space jutsu saying it even surprasses his.

Tobi is an old character that much we know due his ridiclous knowledge about everything. So tobi and tobirama space jutsu during madara and hasihirama era seems more probable.


the old generations have shown very powerful jutsu, this generation has nothing in comparion to those like madara, hasihrama, dust techs, ghost techs etc..To be honest the tech of this era that can compete is the rasengan and wind rasegan i find. But even the rasengan was based on tbb.

So its equally likely that time space jutsu also was more advanced than it is now.

Also worth nothing the ftg jutsu with the uzumaki clan which again links back to tobi.

 

[what a drag]

Here's something I've been kicking around lately, if you're interested give it a quick read.

People are constanly comparing Tobi's S/T jutsu to that of kakashi's Kamui.

First, Kamui is said to be an original dojutsu created by Kakashi with him as the only recognized user. The Kamui comes from the MS which we have not been given evidence to support Tobi knowing(though it is likely he does) And lastly Kakashi himself has compared Tobi's S/T to Minato's rather than comparing it to his own kamui technique which does not require contact with the opponent the way Tobi's technique does.

Another thing I thought of, though unlikely due to time line, is that Tobi somehow replicated and then advanced Minatos' FTG. We all know Minato was famous world wide as the yellow flash and we all know Tobi likes to watch and do his homework. The sharingan is said to allow the holder to copy an enemies actions(I thought this was only for kakashi hence the title copy ninja but whatever) then it is possible and rather likely that Tobi used his sharingan to reveal the secrets of Minato's FTG. After gathering information he could have spent any number of years between learning the secrets and the 9 tails attack to develop an enhanced FTG jutsu or could have had help(supporting the idea him and Orochimaru were together) in adapting himself with FTG.

No..please no....then please explain this:

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Tobi seems to know the FTG Minato used against him, that being said he could have avoid being contacted(physically) by Minato. If Tobi used his sharingan (as you pointed out)to learn the FTG, he surely well aware of what are the things to be avoided in order to oppose the jutsu. And if you will still insist of your theory or finding/s, then how the hell he cannot dodge Minato's attack if he is already aware of the jutsu.

 

[what a drag]

Very nice theory, makes a lot of sense however he had the ability before the fight

Unless you mean just before the fight

+rep for the theory

Even if it is before the fight, he could have avoid the jutsu since the poster(chopstickchakra) says
the sharingan can copy jutsus right? He should learn how to counter it, thinking how SMART Tobi/Maskman is and considering how many years he spent to learn it (FTG). Am i correct? And one more thing, the poster says Tobi somehow replicated and then advanced Minatos' FTG, where the hell does Tobi showed us the advance jutsu that he is using. we already saw the version of his S/T jutsu and until now it is the same. He will grab and suck you to his dimension which i thought was the same thing he want to achieve when he tried to suck Minato.

 

[psukkar]

Even if it is before the fight, he could have avoid the jutsu since the poster(chopstickchakra) says
the sharingan can copy jutsus right? He should learn how to counter it, thinking how SMART Tobi/Maskman is and considering how many years he spent to learn it (FTG). Am i correct? And one more thing, the poster says Tobi somehow replicated and then advanced Minatos' FTG, where the hell does Tobi showed us the advance jutsu that he is using. we already saw the version of his S/T jutsu and until now it is the same. He will grab and suck you to his dimension which i thought was the same thing he want to achieve when he tried to suck Minato.

the sharingan doesnt copy jutsu like that.

the sharingan with its slow mo vision allow the user to read movements large and small and gives the user time to memorise it.

The most common way the sharingan can "copy" jutsu is copy the hand seals needed.

the ftg is like the edo tensei it requires seals and summonings. If u dont know what the seals are u have no chance in using the tech urself.

 

[chopstickchakra]

No..please no....then please explain this:

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Tobi seems to know the FTG Minato used against him, that being said he could have avoid being contacted(physically) by Minato. If Tobi used his sharingan (as you pointed out)to learn the FTG, he surely well aware of what are the things to be avoided in order to oppose the jutsu. And if you will still insist of your theory or finding/s, then how the hell he cannot dodge Minato's attack if he is already aware of the jutsu.

All that pic showed is that Tobi knows Minato needed a seal to use FTG. As for how he couldn't dodge, it's a battle and not everything goes 100% according to plan all the time. And none of your info does anything to disprove it could be a form of FTG. If it was really as related to Kamui as most believe, then why can Kakashi not enter and exit people as he chooses.

 

[Frikid]

:clap: i like it

 

[what a drag]

All that pic showed is that Tobi knows Minato needed a seal to use FTG. As for how he couldn't dodge, it's a battle and not everything goes 100% according to plan all the time. And none of your info does anything to disprove it could be a form of FTG. If it was really as related to Kamui as most believe, then why can Kakashi not enter and exit people as he chooses.

I never said that it is related to Kamui though there is some resemblance to it. I thought it has something to do with Zetsu (being the land itself). But my ultimate theory is that it came from his sharingan since whenever and wherever he uses it, the center of his jutsu is coming from his eye. I just can't see it being a form of FTG. And i thought even before he encountered/met/saw Minato, he already using this technique, just a thought.