[Discussion] Misconception on Tobi's S/T jutsu

[chopstickchakra]

Here's something I've been kicking around lately, if you're interested give it a quick read.

People are constanly comparing Tobi's S/T jutsu to that of kakashi's Kamui.

First, Kamui is said to be an original dojutsu created by Kakashi with him as the only recognized user. The Kamui comes from the MS which we have not been given evidence to support Tobi knowing(though it is likely he does) And lastly Kakashi himself has compared Tobi's S/T to Minato's rather than comparing it to his own kamui technique which does not require contact with the opponent the way Tobi's technique does.

Another thing I thought of, though unlikely due to time line, is that Tobi somehow replicated and then advanced Minatos' FTG. We all know Minato was famous world wide as the yellow flash and we all know Tobi likes to watch and do his homework. The sharingan is said to allow the holder to copy an enemies actions(I thought this was only for kakashi hence the title copy ninja but whatever) then it is possible and rather likely that Tobi used his sharingan to reveal the secrets of Minato's FTG. After gathering information he could have spent any number of years between learning the secrets and the 9 tails attack to develop an enhanced FTG jutsu or could have had help(supporting the idea him and Orochimaru were together) in adapting himself with FTG.

 

[AP2k]

Sure why not.

 

[gordo1]

I like this theory a lot

 

[karol the don]

nice one + rep

 

[Dribbles]

He uses his eye to suck them in, it can't possibly have anything to do with Minato's FTG.

Otherwise he would have used tags like Minato does to use it.
This thread has so many flaws

Anyway, its most closely linked to Kakashi's Kamui ( Linking to an Obito=Tobi Theory ) Because of how similar it looks and the fact that the left and right sharingan both give unique abilities for each user, the right eye sucks them in ( Tobi's eye ) While the right one does sort of a repel motion with the dimension-portal ( Kakashi's Eye ) ​

 

[-Logic-]

Nice theory. A creative mind, you have. :y

 

[Chojuro Sama Kun]

Nice theory my friend. Very Intresting. rep+

 

[Thundergod123]

Here's something I've been kicking around lately, if you're interested give it a quick read.

People are constanly comparing Tobi's S/T jutsu to that of kakashi's Kamui.

First, Kamui is said to be an original dojutsu created by Kakashi with him as the only recognized user. The Kamui comes from the MS which we have not been given evidence to support Tobi knowing(though it is likely he does) And lastly Kakashi himself has compared Tobi's S/T to Minato's rather than comparing it to his own kamui technique which does not require contact with the opponent the way Tobi's technique does.

Another thing I thought of, though unlikely due to time line, is that Tobi somehow replicated and then advanced Minatos' FTG. We all know Minato was famous world wide as the yellow flash and we all know Tobi likes to watch and do his homework. The sharingan is said to allow the holder to copy an enemies actions(I thought this was only for kakashi hence the title copy ninja but whatever) then it is possible and rather likely that Tobi used his sharingan to reveal the secrets of Minato's FTG. After gathering information he could have spent any number of years between learning the secrets and the 9 tails attack to develop an enhanced FTG jutsu or could have had help(supporting the idea him and Orochimaru were together) in adapting himself with FTG.

Agreed with u, that's why Tobi spent many years to defeat Minato and how to kontrol Kurama, if he didn't, no way he could win against Minato, Minato instantly catch him no matter what, and cut his head off.

 

[chopstickchakra]

He uses his eye to suck them in, it can't possibly have anything to do with Minato's FTG.

Otherwise he would have used tags like Minato does to use it.
This thread has so many flaws

He would only have to use tags if it was exactly the same. He fought Minato so he saw the seal first hand and Sharingan allowed him to memorize that seal. If he had assistance from a mad scientist he could have easily altered Minato's FTG.

Anyway, its most closely linked to Kakashi's Kamui ( Linking to an Obito=Tobi Theory ) Because of how similar it looks and the fact that the left and right sharingan both give unique abilities for each user, the right eye sucks them in ( Tobi's eye ) While the right one does sort of a repel motion with the dimension-portal ( Kakashi's Eye ) ​

Well you clearly didn't do much reading or research or you'd see that Kamui was an original dojutsu made by Kakashi to assume Obito would be able to create it as well just because they have the same eyes is inaccurate. Sasuke has Itachi's eyes now but he didn't receive Itachi's Susano'o.

 

[Negative Knight]

Very nice theory, makes a lot of sense however he had the ability before the fight

Unless you mean just before the fight

+rep for the theory

 

[nightfury028]

i like what you think bro. ^_^

 

[-Jiraiya-]

Good thoughts..!

 

[chopstickchakra]

Very nice theory, makes a lot of sense however he had the ability before the fight

Unless you mean just before the fight

+rep for the theory

Yeah I thought about that just as I was typing this up that's why I added a disclaimer about Timelines. However, it is possible(as i mentioned) that Tobi had been watching in preparation as Minato was known throughout all countries Tobi could have seen him fight in a battlefield and just did his due diligence before attacking. But I am aware he had this technique during the fight as well.

 

[Titania Erza]

I stopped reading when you said: "First, Kamui is said to be an original dojutsu created by Kakashi " that is not correct. Kamui is not a dojutsu, it's a jutsu provided by the MS, dojutsus are pure the eyes.

But yeah I thought that is one small misstake but then this shows up: "The sharingan is said to allow the holder to copy an enemies actions(I thought this was only for kakashi hence the title copy ninja but whatever)" it obviously seems you havent really followed Naruto or else you would have known that Sasuke copied some taijutsu techniques from rock lee and how it was exaplained how the sharingan gives everyone who has it the ability to copy other people's jutsu.

Edit:
if you cant remember when it was explained, it was during the first fight between Zabuza and team 7

 

[ninjastormgenaration33]

Nice,rep +1

 

[6PathsofKami]

Tobis S/T in no way can be a copy of Minatos FTG i cba explaining it.

 

[Bijuu Kage]

good theory

 

[chopstickchakra]

I stopped reading when you said: "First, Kamui is said to be an original dojutsu created by Kakashi " that is not correct. Kamui is not a dojutsu, it's a jutsu provided by the MS, dojutsus are pure the eyes.

But yeah I thought that is one small misstake but then this shows up: "The sharingan is said to allow the holder to copy an enemies actions(I thought this was only for kakashi hence the title copy ninja but whatever)" it obviously seems you havent really followed Naruto or else you would have known that Sasuke copied some taijutsu techniques from rock lee and how it was exaplained how the sharingan gives everyone who has it the ability to copy other people's jutsu.

Edit:
if you cant remember when it was explained, it was during the first fight between Zabuza and team 7

Kakashi's original dōjutsu

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As to the Sasuke part, yes I forget some of the details mentioned in part 1, however I would still like an explanation from someone as to why such a big deal was made in part 1 about Kakashi the copy ninja if every ninja with Sharingan can be a copy ninja? This would make kakashi nothing special but seeing as the ninja world knows him as the copy ninja there must be or must have been a reason it was so talked about.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Tobis S/T in no way can be a copy of Minatos FTG i cba explaining it.

If you can't bother to explain then you probably can't defend your idea.

 

[Sasuke of the akatsuki]

Kakashi's original dōjutsu

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As to the Sasuke part, yes I forget some of the details mentioned in part 1, however I would still like an explanation from someone as to why such a big deal was made in part 1 about Kakashi the copy ninja if every ninja with Sharingan can be a copy ninja? This would make kakashi nothing special but seeing as the ninja world knows him as the copy ninja there must be or must have been a reason it was so talked about.

I like your theory +rep
Kakashi got his title as the copy cat ninja because he was known to have copied over 1000 jutsu's from other people, hence he got his name.