Misconception: "Minato used FTG and not Body flicker"

[Gold Lightning]

Everything points towards FTG. Minato using Shunshin in one scenario instead of using Hirashin in that situation does not implicate that this situation would've been Shunshin. Clearly, it was FTG, thus it remains FTG.

just like how minato could have used ftg to teleport to 1 of the 6 kunai he threw at juubito, but instead ran.

or when minato saved naruto and shunshined out of his safe house, instead of teleporting elsewhere.

and just like when he could have teleported to kushina and then teleported back to his safe house, but instead shunshined to the top of a tree.

If that's your only evidence then sorry but that won't cut it.

 

[DoubleKamui]

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This scans used in DB for FTG entry, OP in deep denial /facepalm

This DB scan proved it was FTG. Don't know why there is still a discussion regarding this topic.

 

[BlacLord™]

The smoke around him suggests otherwise.

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[AlphaScythian]

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Stopped reading right here, you obviosuly can't be taken seriously. I really want to believe you are trolling, and you aren't that effing stupid.

Lets just look at what you're saying, hopefully your brain wakes up and realizes the stupidity it is relaying to you.

So what you're saying is Minato telepoted into here at the last second:

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Then looked up, saw the claw coming, pulled out a kunai, and then did this:

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As the red line shows, minato somehow threw his kunai upwards all the way to the top of that cliff, and landed it perfectly onto the top of that tree.

For someone who is trying to make minato look bad, you sure are making him look good Lol. I've never seen a kunai throwing feat like that before. You do realize how retarded you must be to think such a thing right. Not to mention that minato would have had to throw his kunai upwards, which would have hit kuramas claw and deflected off it, there wasn't even enough space or time to throw a kunai.

The only way minatos kunai could have got passed the claw is if he threw the kunai straight. But then that means minato magically curved the kunai and changed its direction and then somehow increased its momentum to reach the top of that far away cliff. I can't believe what i've just read.

The fact you even think minato had the time to:
- teleport in (to kushinas location)
- look up
- pull out a kunai,
- throw the kunai all that distance
- wait for it to land on the tree
- and then teleport to it.

Pls tell me, was kuramas claw falling in slow mo or what? Don't you think minato would have teleported to back home, instead of to a tree if he really used ftg there.

You definitely have it bad with perceptions. The claw is pretty behind Obito making it far less distance then it seems or your line suggests.

Who said anything about top of the tree, minato has some range around kunai he can teleport around.

You strongly diminish throwing kunais capabilities and speed at which it can be done neglecting that manga is about superhumans so to say.

Kunai wouldnt need to be curved either, is that a curve you drew? Lol

As to why minato hasnt teleported back home is another question, why didnt he, definitely best option lol

You do realize it would have taken Minato longer to throw a kunai and teleport to it than to use shunshin right? You're actually making Minato look good here.

You do realize he has dead luggage to carry? You're making him look too good with this shunshin speculation U_U

 

[shelke]

DB and the fact that he left the Kunai with the yellow paper on with Kakashi ends this thread. It was FTG.

 

[Apêx1]

just like how minato could have used ftg to teleport to 1 of the 6 kunai he threw at juubito, but instead ran.

or when minato saved naruto and shunshined out of his safe house, instead of teleporting elsewhere.

and just like when he could have teleported to kushina and then teleported back to his safe house, but instead shunshined to the top of a tree.

If that's your only evidence then sorry but that won't cut it.

You just proved my point. Only because Minato chooses to use Shunshin in one scenario, does not mean he is using Shunshin in another. That logic is completely flawed; Occam's Razor suggests the option with the most evidence is the most likely evidence and the one to be held as true till disproven. Kakashi had an FTG Kunai, Minato looked like he Hirashin'd, and Minato was praised by Rin for his Hirashin; not his shunshin. Thus this is the option which holds the most, unlike the option you suggest which holds nothing whatsoever.

 

[Gold Lightning]

You just proved my point. Only because Minato chooses to use Shunshin in one scenario, does not mean he is using Shunshin in another. That logic is completely flawed; Occam's Razor suggests the option with the most evidence is the most likely evidence and the one to be held as true till disproven. Kakashi had an FTG Kunai, Minato looked like he Hirashin'd, and Minato was praised by Rin for his Hirashin; not his shunshin. Thus this is the option which holds the most, unlike the option you suggest which holds nothing whatsoever.

That's funny because the one with the most evidence is minato using shunshin.

Rin was talking about hiraishin. she just called it teleportation, which is what his hiraishin is called by others. The cloud fodder when he saw minatos kunai, said it was shunshin as well:

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Ay also clearly called it shunshin/body flicker, despite knowing exactly how minatos jutsu works:

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You say it looked like minato used hiraishin, yet we have this image here:

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Did Minato use hiraishin here, just because it looked like it...No.
And you know what I really love about that picture The fact that it is exactly the same as the image that the naysayers are trying to use to prove that it was Hiraishin, like yourself. The kanji zoom effect and the puff of smoke are exactly the same as what was showed in the image where Minato saves kakashi.

Then you have the actual real scan where Minato uses Hiraishin for the first time:

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Oh would you look at that, no sound effect, and no smoke. Also look at Rin and Obitos reaction, both surprised. Why would you be surprised if you just witnessed the same thing twice before And then you have rins full reaction, it's obvious that was her first time seeing the jutsu (on that day).

 

[Gold Lightning]

This DB scan proved it was FTG. Don't know why there is still a discussion regarding this topic.

if you can highlight exactly where it says "Minato saves kakashi by teleporting to the marked kunai on kakashi's persons", then I'll drop this thread right now.

You're just reading the page wrong, not sure where you are getting that the page confirms it.

 

[DoubleKamui]

if you can highlight exactly where it says "Minato saves kakashi by teleporting to the marked kunai on kakashi's persons", then I'll drop this thread right now.

You're just reading the page wrong, not sure where you are getting that the page confirms it.

"Yondaime applies a jutsu-shiki to weapons such as kunai in advance" refers to the top image where Minato teleported to Kakashi via the kunai he gave to him.

"It is also possible to leave it in a touched area" refers to the bottom image where Minato teleported to the enemy via a foot marking.

It isn't hard to understand. Sure, it didn't directly state that FTG was used there but it is heavily implied that Minato did use FTG there.

 

[Gold Lightning]

"Yondaime applies a jutsu-shiki to weapons such as kunai in advance" refers to the top image where Minato teleported to Kakashi via the kunai he gave to him.

"It is also possible to leave it in a touched area" refers to the bottom image where Minato teleported to the enemy via a foot marking.

It isn't hard to understand. Sure, it didn't directly state that FTG was used there but it is heavily implied that Minato did use FTG there.

See, now you're reading it in your own way.

When it says "Leaves a jutsu shiki on the enemy" - they put an arrow pointing to Minato doing exactly what is written. That image is not to show minato teleporting, it is to show how he left the mark on the enemy. They even include a close up image of the jutsu-shiki right next to it. They weren't not gonna include that scan, that page is explaining the basic mechanics of the jutsu. That specific image had to be included to show exactly what minato did.

"He also leaves it one weapons" - there's no arrow this time. You saying it refers to the above image is a baseless assumption. The kunai is neither visible in that scan, nor is there an arrow which points to the above image. So no it's not clear. How would a reader of the databook know that kakashi had a kunai, if they hadn't read that chapter. Or let's just say the reader completely forgot that minato had handed Kakashi a kunai, imagine re-reading the databook after several years and reading that page, if the databook page doesn't make mention to the kunai minato gave to Kakashi, then it obviously has no reference or purpose in this page. The databook wouldn't leave something that important out, it would straight up tell us that minato teleported to it, but it didn't. Besides, that paragraph is telling us more info about the jutsu and how it works, it's not goonna not tell us that minato can apply it to weapons. It's just extra information for the reader, but not specific information to do with that scan.

Can you see how the Image with Minato and Miharu is the one with the subtext talking about the jutsu this time, see how they put an arrow to show minatos teleportation. They didn't do that with the saving of kakashi.

It isn't hard to understand at all, yet you seem to be struggling. You even confirm yourself that it wasn't directly stated, therefore you can't tell me it was FTG. It's not heavily implied at all.

This is another databook scan of FTG:

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TWO TIMES. That's the exact number of times Minato used Hirashin in Kakashi gaiden (apart from the off panel war zone part). And this page shows us both times...
1. Killing Miharu
2. Saving Kakashi and Rin

Do you see the image of Minato saving kakashi from being sliced? No, it is specifically excluded. If that were a Hiraishin moment, don't you think they would have put it there? Let's just say it was Hirashin for a moment, I'm sure you'd agree that it would by far be the most memorable and iconic moment of Hiraishin, since that would have been its debut moment. So why leave it out in the scan above? Why show those 3 images, when the one you guys are claiming to be ftg would be the most memorable and obvious one?

Because it WASN'T ftg. Even the next page after Minato saving kakashi proves it wasn't, he performs the same feat when he lands next to rin and obito, same sound effects used, same smoke effects used.

 

[RaSenkoChoRinbukoSanshiki]

I totally agree

 

[Narutimate Storm]

^^^
Pretty much solo own thread. Really like this thread, which more oeople understnad more. Wish i can rep again

Above post makes so much sense.

 

[Gold Lightning]

^^^
Pretty much solo own thread. Really like this thread, which more oeople understnad more. Wish i can rep again

Above post makes so much sense.

Thank you for the kind words

I'm gonna add more to this thread later on. I'll fight anyone who wants to debate this topic. It may sound arrogant but I know I'm 100% right. It's actually quite obvious when you think about it properly.

DB and the fact that he left the Kunai with the yellow paper on with Kakashi ends this thread. It was FTG.

Didn't even see your post before. Wish it remained that way, what you've said holds little worth. You have no valid reason or evidence, I've already explained everything with enough proof. If you want to counter my thread, then at least say something worth while.

 

[shelke]

Thank you for the kind words

I'm gonna add more to this thread later on. I'll fight anyone who wants to debate this topic. It may sound arrogant but I know I'm 100% right. It's actually quite obvious when you think about it properly.


Didn't even see your post before. Wish it remained that way, what you've said holds little worth. You have no valid reason or evidence, I've already explained everything with enough proof. If you want to counter my thread, then at least say something worth while.

Your rambling is proof? Several people have already proven it, so repeating the same thing isn't required. Wouldn't be the first time you Minato fans have dug a mountain out of a mole hill - those absurd SM claims would be the other ones.

1 - He left a Kunai with him.
2 - The databook backs it up.

Yours? Speculations and twisted interpretation that only those with Minato blinders on will entertain. Those 3 points did a lot to my rep by the way. Why are you so emotional? Kindly, deal with the evidence.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Your rambling is proof? Several people have already proven it, so repeating the same thing isn't required. Wouldn't be the first time you Minato fans have dug a mountain out of a moll hill - those absurd SM claims would be the other ones.

1 - He left a Kunai with him.
2 - The databook backs it up.

Yours? Speculations and twisted interpretation that only those with Minato blinders on will entertain. Those 3 points did a lot to my rep by the way. Why are you so emotional? Kindly, deal with the evidence.

Hush up child.

Databook says nothing about the Kunai Minato left with Kakashi. The databook doesn't say minato used FTG to save Kakashi. So not sure where you are getting this from.

Just because Kakashi had the kunai, doesn't mean FTG was used. I've already shown instances where minato could have teleported to a kunai, but chose not to. I've already shown how shunshin was depicted with smoke and the zoom kanji (indicating Minato's movement). Not to mention the scene where minato gets back to Obito and Rin in an instant is also shunshin, and has the same smoke and kanji(showing the same movement) as the previous page. Yet when minato used FTG to get behind Miharu, there is no sound effect or smoke this time. Then you have the fact that Miharu called the interception "movement". Because he saw minato intercept him with his shunshin, he saw minatos movements, you wouldn't say that if it was instant space time ninjutsu (that would make no sense). Then Rin only makes mention to FTG when he actually does it. Why didn't she say it before, since by your logic, minato did it twice before that. Surely it doesn't take 3 uses of FTG to get a reaction out of someone. Why did Miharu only recognise minato as the yellow flash after minato teleported to him with the seal on his foot. Why not before when he saved Kakashi? Becuase they were different Jutsu, 1st was shunshin movement (which Miharu saw), 2nd was Hirashin (which rin made reference to). It's really that simple.

Databook says absolutely zero about the kunai given to Kakashi. How would the reader know FTG is used there. Common sense would tell you that the writer would say that minato saved Kakashi by teleporting to the kunai he gave Kakashi. That isn't the case.

 

[shelke]

Hush up child.

Databook says nothing about the Kunai Minato left with Kakashi. The databook doesn't say minato used FTG to save Kakashi. So not sure where you are getting this from.

Just because Kakashi had the kunai, doesn't mean FTG was used. I've already shown instances where minato could have teleported to a kunai, but chose not to. I've already shown how shunshin was depicted with smoke and the zoom kanji (indicating Minato's movement). Not to mention the scene where minato gets back to Obito and Rin in an instant is also shunshin, and has the same smoke and kanji(showing the same movement) as the previous page. Yet when minato used FTG to get behind Miharu, there is no sound effect or smoke this time. Then you have the fact that Miharu called the interception "movement". Because he saw minato intercept him with his shunshin, he saw minatos movements, you wouldn't say that if it was instant space time ninjutsu (that would make no sense). Then Rin only makes mention to FTG when he actually does it. Why didn't she say it before, since by your logic, minato did it twice before that. Surely it doesn't take 3 uses of FTG to get a reaction out of someone. Why did Miharu only recognise minato as the yellow flash after minato teleported to him with the seal on his foot. Why not before when he saved Kakashi? Becuase they were different Jutsu, 1st was shunshin movement (which Miharu saw), 2nd was Hirashin (which rin made reference to). It's really that simple.

Databook says absolutely zero about the kunai given to Kakashi. How would the reader know FTG is used there. Common sense would tell you that the writer would say that minato saved Kakashi by teleporting to the kunai he gave Kakashi. That isn't the case.

I have read what the databook states. These large paragraphs are doing you no good. I already told you, I can't add anything more when your thread was wrong from the get go and several people have already given sufficient evidence. The ring of smoke around him also proves it's FTG. In fact, it's a dead giveaway.

 

[Gold Lightning]

I have read what the databook states. These large paragraphs are doing you no good. I already told you, I can't add anything more when your thread was wrong from the get go and several people have already given sufficient evidence. The ring of smoke around him also proves it's FTG. In fact, it's a dead giveaway.

Lol, what evidence. You guys have given nothing. The only thing any of you have mentioned is a kunai that no mention was made of.

The ring of smoke makes it FTG looool, is this FTG too then:

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How can you tell someone their thread is wrong when you can't even state why.

 

[shelke]

Lol, what evidence. You guys have given nothing. The only thing any of you have mentioned is a kunai that no mention was made of.

So we should accept your version of the event that he left a Kunai but didn't use FTG? That's rubbish and you damn well know it. In fact, this isn't even a decent body flicker feat. His best one was when he saved Kushina. Even that one is nothing special.

 

[Gold Lightning]

So we should accept your version of the event that he left a Kunai but didn't use FTG? That's rubbish and you damn well know it. In fact, this isn't even a decent body flicker feat. His best one was when he saved Kushina. Even that one is nothing special.

You don't have to accept my version, my point is I have substantial evidence to prove that it was body flicker, while you guys don't. Why is it BS? It's whatever kishi wants it to be. When minato teleported to Kushina, why didn't he teleport back to the safe house instead of shunshin? When minato threw 6 kunai at Juubito, why did minato run instead of teleport to the kunai? I've already addressed this, if you choose to ignore it then that's not my fault. Go and question all the other times minato has chosen foot speed rather than FTG.

Love how you said the ring of smoke makes it FTG, I provide you a scan of the same thing in the same chapter and you ignore it. I'll still wait for your reply.

I not trying to prove this is his best feat, he does have better ones indeed. My point is to prove it was shunshin, I dint care what you think of the feat. I especially don't give a crap about your opinion of minatos feats. Because I know only Sasuke related things get you **** hard. It they were Sasuke's feats, you would never say they were unimpressive. And I've never read anything positive about minato from you before, mostly always negative, so why would i care how you feel when I know how much you don't like and care for the character ?

You wanna debate against something, then prove it. Just saying no, or repeating the same thing over and over, that doesn't even prove anything isn't an argument.

 

[Blaze Release]

Manga has ended. People still arguing whether he used hiraishin or shunshin lol
I am not sure why Minato fans are hell bent on trying to prove that he is fast without hiraishin.
We know he is, but no matter what (half arsed feats that can be interpreted in other ways) you show he is still behind a good few people.

As for the thread. I also believed it is hiraishin and while i get what you are saying, im not 100% sure because as others have said the kunai in kakashi's bag, the scenario and the DB image (which can be interpreted in more than one way) suggests it can very well be hiraishin. Im actually not sure which one it is actually, but i could care less either way.