Misconception: "Minato used FTG and not Body flicker"

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Was looking back at this:
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and I've seen mixed opinions and even I've been unsure on it for a long time, some saying it was ftg, others saying it was shunshin. I now know it was the latter, and here's why...

Yes Kakashi had the kunai on him, but kishi made no emphasis to it being FTG that minato used there. Minato simultaneously marks Miharu and saves Kakashi at the same time. Although kishi/minato made no mention of ftg before that (rin does the second time though). You'd think Minato would have said something like, "good thing kakashi had my kunai with him, I was able to save him with my teleportation ninjutsu", however no such thing was mentioned.

Then you have the effects Kishi used there. There is a puff of smoke, and then the zoom/foom sound effect. I remember in the past that people used that to prove it was ftg. However in the very next page:
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The same exact smoke cloud and sound effect is used to show Minato landing next to obito and rin. Obviously that wasn't ftg, because there is clearly no marking there.

Then in that same scan, you have Miharu talk about Minato's "movements" (viz scans would be nice if anyone has), he didn't seem to think of it as teleportation or space time ninjutsu or anything out of the ordinary. It was only until after Minato teleported behind him, that he realized it was the yellow flash. This is important, because although Minato is fast without ftg, the main reason for his alias is because of FTG (databook says this). And it is not until this page that Miharu realizes that the yellow flash has just used his space time ninjutsu to get behind him . Before that however, he just thought of him to be some blond a$$hole with abnormal movement (shunshin), and then when minato uses FTG, is when he realizes who he's dealing with.

Now this is why I strongly believe that it wasn't FTG:
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Just look at Rin's reaction. She was so surprised at Minato's teleportation jutsu. Yet the incident before, there was no reaction to Minatos speed. The way in which the chapter was written, I feel as if this page is the first time kishi is trying to show the reader (for the first time) the Flying Thunder God jutsu. Because it's anticlimactic to show it off when minato saved kakashi, because there is no indication or reference towards it. There's no build up or emphasis on it either. Look at how kishi builds up the whole scene when Minato teleports to the marking on Miharu's leg (minato dropping his backpack and everything), I believe that is the first time the jutsu was ever revealed in the manga. Also notice that in the bottom right panel after Minato teleports, you can see that there is no puff of smoke or sound effect this time, compared to the other shunshin instances (because I think kishi drew it as untraceable back then).

Some try to use this databook scan because the image shows that specific scene, however I think it was interpreted wrong by others:
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The emphasis is to show the application of the jutsu formula, not to show the teleportation itself. They couldn't not include that image, because it was the most important part of the jutsu, the moment he places the marking onto the enemy. It even says He saves Kakashi and at the same time leaves a "Jutsu-Shiki" on the enemy, it doesn't actually make mention of FTG being used to save Kakashi. In fact look at the arrows in that scan... Where it talks about "Jutsu Shiki" - the arrow points to the image of Minato saving kakashi and placing the marking. And then the text about the actual Teleportation process/Space time ninjutsu, The arrow points to the image of the where Minato uses his FTG for the first time, to get behind the enemy.

And finally, you also have this databook scan that explains Minato's FTG again:
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Notice how each image only shows the 2 occasions of the entirety of Kakashi Gaiden where Minato actually and only used the Hiraishin no Jutsu (the first being when he marks and kills Miharu, the second being when he saves Kakashi and Rin from the rock ninjas). The image of Minato saving Kakashi from Miharu was excluded this time.

I think I have made my point. Some won't care, some will. I just felt this was necessary, since people think Minato's only shunshin feat was saving baby Naruto, when in fact he has at least 3 more than that in base form.
 
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Didn't Minato have the seal crawl onto the guys foot? If so it was Hiraishin, if that was someone else then in was Shunshin...
 

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Didn't Minato have the seal crawl onto the guys foot? If so it was Hiraishin, if that was someone else then in was Shunshin...

not sure what you're saying.

Yes the seal crawled up onto the guys foot after Minato marks him. He placed that marking at the same moment he saved kakashi, using body flicker. After he gets kakashi to safety, Kishi debuts the Hiraishin no jutsu for the first time.
 

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not sure what you're saying.

Yes the seal crawled up onto the guys foot after Minato marks him. He placed that marking at the same moment he saved kakashi, using body flicker. After he gets kakashi to safety, Kishi debuts the Hiraishin no jutsu for the first time.

Then it was Shunshin to save Kakashi and Hiraishin to kill the guy. :|
 

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Then it was Shunshin to save Kakashi and Hiraishin to kill the guy. :|

Yeah exactly.

But the huge debate in the past was that Kakashi had in possession one of minatos kunai. The kunai Minato gave kakashi for his Jonin promotion gift.
 

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Yeah exactly.

But the huge debate in the past was that Kakashi had in possession one of minatos kunai. The kunai Minato gave kakashi for his Jonin promotion gift.

I doubt that it was. I mean Shunshin has always been concentrated high-speed movements... It could have been but it's unlike Kishi to display the Hiraishin after if he used it first but this time looking at the seal. It's not like the distance was incredibly large for the Shunshin so it would keep it's speed, plus Minato has a fast Shunshin.
 

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I doubt that it was. I mean Shunshin has always been concentrated high-speed movements... It could have been but it's unlike Kishi to display the Hiraishin after if he used it first but this time looking at the seal. It's not like the distance was incredibly large for the Shunshin so it would keep it's speed, plus Minato has a fast Shunshin.
Believe me when I say that a lot of people strongly argue that it was FTG. Well at least back in the day anyway, but I've just looked back at it and analysed that entire scene with every piece of evidence I could find. And my conclusion was body flicker.
 

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Why would Minato use his footspeed when Kakashi had a marked kunai though?
 

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Why would Minato use his footspeed when Kakashi had a marked kunai though?

The same reason kishi decided it would be better for Minato to run up to Obito, instead of just directly teleport to the kunais he just threw:



(cost minato an arm because of kishis trollish writing here)

:what:

But in all seriousness. With shunshin, it was probably safer becasue minato could control his speed and anticipate the sword slash better. While with FTG, he would have kind of gone in blind and vulnerable.
 
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Why this not hot thread yet? Very good analysis, i see no flaw in your explanation. I too thought this to be hiraishin, but i see now it actually shunshin no jutsu.

But why minato not just teleport to kakashi?
 

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I also thought is was ftg. But based on portrayal it might be something else.
 

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Conclusion :

Minato doesn't need FTG , his shunshin is pretty much instant .
 

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Conclusion :

Minato doesn't need FTG , his shunshin is pretty much instant .
Also keep in mind the speed Kakashi was moving at. Remember chidori required great speed, even Miharu noted kakashi's speed. Kakashi ran through 19 shadow clones, before reaching the real Miharu.

And then Minato covers that entire distance that kakashi just ran, in an instant, with shunshin alone. Just shows the difference between their speed at that point.
 
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Amazing post.

Always been a browser here on NB, I only really use the Naruto Forum thread. But I just had to sign up to comment on this. Nice to see this speed feat properly confirmed.

Hope you don't mind if I copy this for the narutoforums. This was very well explained and detailed, deserves to be shared. Because I actually do remember this being a controversial topic once before, a lot of arguments more than debates occurred from this once before. I think you've proved it was the body flicker now though.
 

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No, Minato used FTG.
 
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