Misconception: Minato didn't know Shiki fujin could be undone

[Bogard]

alrght bbz i wasnt sure so i jst wntded ur opinon

Your welcome, reason why i explained

 

[TrollingSage]

You solved how to undo that jutsu. Solve what? an equation? Solve what? The process to undo the jutsu obviously. It's clearly that is what Minato is refering to. The fact Orochimaru tells him not to underestimate him and mentions it's obviously something coming from Uzumaki clan, something he checked, further implies that he is talking about something Minato must know but Orochimaru simply doesn't like the fact Minato underestimate him for knowing something like this

Well I think the fact that he used "solved" and not "found out" or "discovered" makes means the process of undoing the seal was a mystery to even him.

 

[Minator93]

This Viz scan definitely shows that Minato did know how to undo it. He says "solved" meaning that very few people know how to do it [undo the RDS]. Minato certainly knows how to undo it but he confirms Oro's method. It seem Minato did underestimate "Mister" Oro a little xd

Nice thread as usual Bogard

 

[Bogard]

Well I think the fact that he used "solved" and not "found out" or "discovered" makes means the process of undoing the seal was a mystery to even him.

You solve an enigma, a puzzle, a puzzle can have plenty of propositions, stages, etc in the process when you find the result. So when Minato was saying "solve", he was referring to the stages that lead to the process of undoing the jutsu

This Viz scan definitely shows that Minato did know how to undo it. He says "solved" meaning that very few people know how to do it [undo the RDS]. Minato certainly knows how to undo it but he confirms Oro's method. It seem Minato did underestimate "Mister" Oro a little xd

Nice thread as usual Bogard

Thanks bro

 

[Blaze Release]

That scan can be interpreted in many ways tbh.

Example before Minato says that he with the shiku fijun he will completely seal half of the fox's chakra.

Minato asks 2 questions in the chapter you uploaded and this is evident of the question mark.

Either he wasn't aware that the seal can be undone. Or he doesnt know how to undo it himself.

That is something that hasn't been answered even with the scan.
Its possible that he knows the seal can be undone, however he doesn't know the means of this.

 

[Bogard]

That scan can be interpreted in many ways tbh.

Example before Minato says that he with the shiku fijun he will completely seal half of the fox's chakra.

Minato asks 2 questions in the chapter you uploaded and this is evident of the question mark.

Either he wasn't aware that the seal can be undone. Or he doesnt know how to undo it himself.

That is something that hasn't been answered even with the scan.
Its possible that he knows the seal can be undone, however he doesn't know the means of this.

Well i already gave my opinion concerning it. It's up to you to believe what you want

 

[Blaze Release]

Well i already gave my opinion concerning it. It's up to you to believe what you want

Actually that chapter supports you, however im not certain what you mean.

It seems minato does know that the technique can be undone, however he doesn't know how to.

Since the thread is saying minato does know the seal can be undone then i agree. If you are saying he knows how to, then i disagree and that is why he asks the question concerning 'solving' undoing it

 

[ixc]

I only wanted to clear some things up with this thread. The viz translation of manga chapter 619 came out. Some people believed that Minato didn't know Shiki fujin could be undone, but it's not what Minato says in the viz

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Like you can see, he isn't surprised Shiki Fujin can be undone, he is surprised by the fact Orochimaru knew how to do so. Reason why Orochimaru tell Minato not to underestimate him and explain him how he knew to undo the jutsu

Here comes the MINATOFAN again, Itachi solo's Minato.

BUTTHURT.

 

[Bogard]

Actually that chapter supports you, however im not certain what you mean.

It seems minato does know that the technique can be undone, however he doesn't know how to.

Since the thread is saying minato does know the seal can be undone then i agree. If you are saying he knows how to, then i disagree and that is why he asks the question concerning 'solving' undoing it

No, when he says "how" it's because he find it weird that Orochimaru knows the process to undo the jutsu. The "how" here is to understand how Orochimaru managed to know that process, it's what i'm saying. Notice that Orochimaru even tells him after "not to underestimate him". Oro shows by that, that Minato believe Oro should not be wise enough to know it, reason of the underrating here.

Notice also that Orochimaru didn't explain the process of the jutsu to Minato, because he must know that Minato himself knows it. His reply only refers to how he managed to know(the fact he studied Uzumaki scrolls). All that goes in the way that Minato knows it, but is simply surprised by the fact Oro knew the process of undoing it

 

[Owarij]

Actually that chapter supports you, however im not certain what you mean.

It seems minato does know that the technique can be undone, however he doesn't know how to.

Since the thread is saying minato does know the seal can be undone then i agree. If you are saying he knows how to, then i disagree and that is why he asks the question concerning 'solving' undoing it

This is exactly what I get from the scan.. He mystery is how to undo it.. he's aware that it probably can be done but didn't know HOW..thus he even asks orochimaru..

 

[Blaze Release]

No, when he says "how" it's because he find it weird that Orochimaru knows the process to undo the jutsu. The "how" here is to understand how Orochimaru managed to know that process, it's what i'm saying. Notice that Orochimaru even tells him after "not to underestimate him". Notice also that Orochimaru didn't explain the process of the jutsu to Minato, because he must know that Minato himself knows it. His reply only refers to how he managed to know(the fact he studied Uzumaki scrolls). All that goes in the way that Minato knows it, but is simply surprised by the fact Oro knew the process of undoing it

Nope that isn't what the thread title and OP states. It states that minato knows that the technique can be undone. However you are now diverting into another route which states that he also knew how to undo it. That is two completely different things.

To know something can be undone is different to knowing the means to undo it and this is why i believe minato asks him the latter and oro replied stating not to underestimate him.

Whether minato also knows the means of undoing it by no means clarified in this chapter and can be translated in many ways. I do however believe that he knows it can be undone

 

[Bogard]

Nope that isn't what the thread title and OP states. It states that minato knows that the technique can be undone. However you are now diverting into another route which states that he also knew how to undo it. That is two completely different things.

To know something can be undone is different to knowing the means to undo it and this is why i believe minato asks him the latter and oro replied stating not to underestimate him.

Whether minato also knows the means of undoing it by no means clarified in this chapter and can be translated in many ways. I do however believe that he knows it can be undone

The thread title goes in that way as well. When i say that Minato knows the seal can be undone, i also meant that he knows the process as well. There is a relationship between both. Obviously i didn't say it in the thread, but they go alongside. The second part comes down to a self-interpretation, reason why i tried to explain it. Now like i've said, it's up to you to believe what you want

 

[Suigetsu13]

Hahahaha Mister Orochimaru this is some lol translation.

 

[Omnipotent]

... Minato didn't know a lot of things.

Show me some other pages from that chapter, please?

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Hmmmm...... possible, given the condition that the Uzumaki's also devised an unsealing technique for the Shiki Fuujin then that would validate Minato's acquiescence of the unsealing, but... if Orochimaru himself devised the technique through research of the Uzumaki documents, then Minato could not have known that it was possible to unseal it. But may have been open to the possibility that it could be undone none the less.

 

[Bogard]

... Minato didn't know a lot of things.

Show me some other pages from that chapter, please?

Not saying Minato knows everything, but he definitely knows the Shiki fujin can be undone like we see on this mangapage, and i would personally find it weird if he didn't since he learned Uzumaki sealing techniques from the base by Kushina, so it's something that he really should know. Concerning the other pages, unfortunately i don't have it. It's only thanks to ISpeak The Truth that i even got my hand on this page. You can ask him if you want

Hmmmm...... possible, given the condition that the Uzumaki's also devised an unsealing technique for the Shiki Fuujin then that would validate Minato's acquiescence of the unsealing, but... if Orochimaru himself devised the technique through research of the Uzumaki documents, then Minato could not have known that it was possible to unseal it. But may have been open to the possibility that it could be undone none the less.

Pretty sure he knows though

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Pretty sure he knows though

Hmmm....yes... because logically a family of lock makers would have the methodology and tools to unlock their creations in case they decide to undo their locks. (eg. Shinigami Mask)

 

[captainEO]

Rather ambiguous, hence inconclusive.

But I'll give Minato the benefit of the doubt and say that he knew how to undo it.