Lol. I'm going to break it down for you since you clearly don't understand.
1. Being stronger than someone=/=Being able to beat someone. Match up can be a determining factor.
2. I never said anything about Sasuke beating anyone in that post. Only strength.
He'd have to charge it up first w/ the tree. Sasuke teleports and cuts it apart.
Not gonna work if he's unable to act after he gets blitzed.
Canon shows otherwise.
Except he doesn't.
Except Rikudo never said that. True, if you want to completely seal it away, you need the Six Paths Chibaku Tensei, if all you want to do is pull it out, and leave the Jin w/ only the Mazo, you can pull out the Bijuu, just like they did with Obito, in canon. So let's stop ignoring manga fact.
Still cut them up though. "Never ending"=/=Unable to counter. Unless you can show me scans of CT producing enough power to bust Susanoo, there is no debate on this topic. Not to mention that was only his regular Susanoo, not his Bijuu Susanoo.
If sasuke does rinne tele on madara with 2 eyes he gets negged by limbo sasuke is not dumb enough to even do that.
Madara can't even react, so forget about Limbo killing him. Not to mention he can use it with Susanoo, so forget about Limbo killing him there as well.
Madara limbo swapped the only killing blow against him. Naruto and sasuke on a 1v1 stand no chance.
There was no killing blow ever inflicted on Madara. He swapped after being hit by a Jiton Rasengan and a Black Chidori. Lol When will stop with these trashy ass replies?
And last stop trying to talk like me u look dumb use ur head son.
That was BSM Naruto, not RSM Naruto who is tiers upon tiers stronger than BSM Naruto.
Still cut them up though. "Never ending"=/=Unable to counter. Unless you can show me scans of CT producing enough power to bust Susanoo, there is no debate on this topic. Not to mention that was only his regular Susanoo, not his Bijuu Susanoo.
Madara can't even react, so forget about Limbo killing him. Not to mention he can use it with Susanoo, so forget about Limbo killing him there as well.
There was no killing blow ever inflicted on Madara. He swapped after being hit by a Jiton Rasengan and a Black Chidori. Lol When will stop with these trashy ass replies?
I'm only mocking your stupidity. "use ur head son"
Again everything you just said goes against what we seen in the manga
Madara limbo swaped sasukes blitz and attempt to seal from naruto and sasuke with one eye everything u said is rendered useless and considered assumption
And again sage said u need the seal to beat madara they cant do the seal alone so they cant beat madara on a 1v1 stop going against the manga.
Madara limbo swaped sasukes blitz and attempt to seal from naruto and sasuke with one eye everything u said is rendered useless and considered assumption
Except he never said that, and you've yet to show me where he said that. On the other hand, manga shows that Juubi Jins can be defeated by pulling the Bijuu out of their body. If you are going to keep denying manga fact, I'm just gonna start taking that as a concession.
Madara swapped AFTER he got blitzed, not before. The rest is irrelevant.
Except he never said that, and you've yet to show me where he said that. On the other hand, manga shows that Juubi Jins can be defeated by pulling the Bijuu out of their body. If you are going to keep denying manga fact, I'm just gonna start taking that as a concession.
manga showed naruto and sasuke not being able to stop madara from doing the IT. manga showed naruto and sasuke not being able to lay a finger on him after he got his 2nd rinnegan.
naruto needed the whole SA against Obito and obito wasnt even sure of what he wanted to do which was the only reason the bijuu's even got pulled out of him. RSM or not he's not pulling the bijuu's out of madara.
sasuke blitzed madara with naruto and it was rendered useless. even after they tried to do the seal just limbo swapped that sh!t away lol. and that was with one eye bro. 2 eyes is a different league above naruto and sasuke. thats why they couldn't stop him from doing IT and BZ had to save them.
and again you are literally going against the sage's words. idk whats so hard to get its real simple really.
to seal madara(because you can't kill him) you need the sage's yin yan seal.
to do that you need both yin seal and yan seal.
naruto has one
sasuke has the other one.
separate they cannot do the seal.
so
they cannot seal madara seperate.
so.
they cannot beat madara alone.
so
madara negs them individually.
just going by what the manga said.
my son. lol
edit : you are yet to show me a single manga scan. everything you said is just pure assumption and delusion. lol
I am surprised people actually think that Madara can spam Limbo. When not only it takes time to initiate, but it goes away for a while, and again it takes it a while to get back to Madara. Something he himself admits.
Madara swapped AFTER he got blitzed, not before. The rest is irrelevant.
Except he never said that, and you've yet to show me where he said that. On the other hand, manga shows that Juubi Jins can be defeated by pulling the Bijuu out of their body. If you are going to keep denying manga fact, I'm just gonna start taking that as a concession.
Sasuke rushed to naruto During the IT. because he knows that if naruto were to die he would never be able to defeat madara by himself. again they need one another to beat madara or kaguya.
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Obito stated madara getting both his rinnegans will make him unbeatable.
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Sage stated that madara got close to his and his mother's power which is why he gave the seals to naruto and sasuke to seal off madara just like he had sealed off his mother long ago.
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how much more evidence do you need my son? post some scans or dont even bother to reply my son. lol
I am surprised people actually think that Madara can spam Limbo. When not only it takes time to initiate, but it goes away for a while, and again it takes it a while to get back to Madara. Something he himself admits.
you said limbo takes time to prepare, it doesn't its instant. and you said limbo goes back to madara and you are right now, what i am saying is that the time it takes limbo to come back its very short almost instant to say and i gave you the proof we saw in the manga.
we see madara's limbo going back to him. and before naruto and sasuke's next attack which was used with sasuke's rinne teleport limbo was already ready to use. thats a very short time period. and not only that, that was only 1 eye, 2 eyes is a different story. and if you turn a few pages madara takes kakashi's eye and goes to the kamui land. so what are you talking about?
you said limbo takes time to prepare, it doesn't its instant. and you said limbo goes back to madara and you are right now, what i am saying is that the time it takes limbo to come back its very short almost instant to say and i gave you the proof we saw in the manga.
we see madara's limbo going back to him. and before naruto and sasuke's next attack which was used with sasuke's rinne teleport limbo was already ready to use. thats a very short time period. and not only that, that was only 1 eye, 2 eyes is a different story. and if you turn a few pages madara takes kakashi's eye and goes to the kamui land. so what are you talking about?
Madara and Sasuke state it. Like I said, turn a few pages to actually see it. As his Limbo was on the battlefield well before Sasuke and Naruto received their power-ups. He didn't initiate it here.
Madara and Sasuke state it. Like I said, turn a few pages to actually see it. As his Limbo was on the battlefield well before Sasuke and Naruto received their power-ups. He didn't initiate it here.
madara started limbo against naruto before sasuke came. and it was instant just like when used it against the bijuu. its just one glare and it starts. it does take time to charge. but very little
you not understanding me, limbo recharge time is almost instant.
limbo went inside madara.
limbo came back in an instant before sasuke could even use his rinne teleport. which is instant. do you understand me? how quick limbo comes back? its literally almost instant.
madara used limbo literally seconds after it went back inside him.
madara started limbo against naruto before sasuke came. and it was instant just like when used it against the bijuu. its just one glare and it starts. it does take time to charge. but very little
you not understanding me, limbo recharge time is almost instant.
limbo went inside madara.
limbo came back in an instant before sasuke could even use his rinne teleport. which is instant. do you understand me? how quick limbo comes back? its literally almost instant.
madara used limbo literally seconds after it went back inside him.
Limbo was already on the battlefield. He used it against Sasuke before when he stabbed him along with Bijuus. I still don't see your point. How does it negate Madara's statement or Sasuke's strategy?
Limbo was already on the battlefield. He used it against Sasuke before when he stabbed him along with Bijuus. I still don't see your point. How does it negate Madara's statement or Sasuke's strategy?
wait dude what? you are confusing me lol. he used it again against naruto when he came back to life remeber? after madara fought guy. thats the 2nd time he activated it.
im not talking about madara before he became the jj against the bijuu's im talking after.
and your point is that limbo has a recharge time and you are right.but my point is that, that recharge time is almost instant heres the proof again u making me post the same scans its like u ignored them .
here we see madara's limbo going back to him to recharge, this is page 11 of the chapter
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3 pages later, page 14 naruto and sasuke do their next attack, sasuke uses Amenotejikara to instantly blitz madara, but madara's limbo is already good to use and he swaps himself with the limbo preventing naruto and sasuke from using the sage's seal.
the time to recharge limbo was almost instant it was ready before sasuke could even do Amenotejikara
1. Yes and no. Yes, it requires a crap ton of natural energy, but it doesn't take a long time to gather. In fact, it probably doesn't even take a minute, all the while, Naruto's more than capable of simultaneously fighting.
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Not exactly a long period of time. It was also not sensed by Sasuke until the natural energy actually transfered.
2. You'd think so, but there's one problem with this. Madara doesn't have Rikkudo chakra outside of the juubi. Now, he has juubi-enhanced rinnegan abilities, which would put him somewhat above Sasuke in susanoo usage(assuming he has it). You see, the rinnegan never gives Rikkudo chakra. It's a separate ability (Kakashi has the same Rikkudo chakra, no rinnegan).
Even through that, A. This only makes Madara's PS superior physically, as it would be with BSM Naruto VS Edo Madara, but Edo Madara isn't stronger than BSM Naruto. He would not be able to deal with the likes of Naruto's RSM TBBs. Even then, there's shadow clones, enabling for higher output. With Ashura Avatar, he'd utterly destroy PS with physical strength alone.
3. Don't see how wood style's a threat when Naruto bisected the holy tree, which is clearly the source of wood style. Any attempts of wood style would be destroyed with ease. Limbos, at best, equalize the fight. This is assuming Madara has PS, and can use it through multiple bodies. Even so, Madara has the mentality that divide chakra=weakness. He wouldn't to a clone spam unless playing around. PS may require his full chakra to use effectively.
4. You're talking about a Naruto far less capable than VOTE 2 Naruto. In said scenario, Naruto's clones are more than capable of keeping the Limbos busy (assuming he hasn't even activated Ashura Avatar at this point, which would make it easy to plow through). Naruto's physical attributes match Sasuke's PS. He could literally swat CT away and spam TBBs to clear the way. There's nothing suggesting that Madara was holding back with his CTs. Sure, he might be able to, instead of dividing the cores, make a big one, but then he can't make multiple ones. Madara's regen isn't as quick as you think. Even with the holy tree, it took a significant amount of time to regenerate his lower half.
Sasuke
1. Susanoo ribcage might be able to be swapped. Relying on TSBs s a mistake. Having TSBs on his back in mid-range is like Madara saying "blitz me!"
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Any defense can become a target for Sasuke's swap ability.
Limbos are possible, but that's almost certainly not going to help him with an instant attack, only a drawn-out one. It didn't exactly enable him to react to Sasuke's chidori before.
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He reacted to the sealing, not chidori.
2. True and false at the same time. Yes, Sasuke's rinnegan techniques are inferior. However, Limbo isn't so much a problem when you consider that they can be damaged. Therefore, they themselves would take time to regenerate.
3. Doubtful. A. I highly doubt ST is capable of such destructive power. CT is always in a higher scale than ST. That doesn't bode well with ST's force. It should be vastly inferior to Indra's arrow. I don't think there's any evidence that Sasuke can't use Indra's arrow multiple times. If not, then that means he's using the majority of the biju's chakra all at once. Think about that for a moment. That level of energy all at once is equivalent of unleashing most of the chakra within Madara's own body in an instant. If such a thing is true, then Madara gets overwhelmed no question.
Only 2 options to view Indra's arrow with.
A. It's a one-use chakra attack, in which case, it probably has the most amount of chakra out of any attack in the manga, and can kill anything.
B. I doesn't have that power, and accordingly, Sasuke can use it over and over.
Neither options bode well for Madara.
Seals are irrelevant. If Madara's weakened, things like human path are on the table. Not to mention using preta path to drain away all of Madara's biju chakra.
4. In Madara's mind, divided chakra=less power. If such a thing is used, he'll be using vastly inferior susanoos that don't pose a threat to Sasuke (especially with biju susanoo). It's even questionable that it can destroy PS considering it failed to destroy the tree that spawned them.
That's my argument. Sorry if I can't reply much. (Calculus is a time-consuming monster)
Naruto What I'm saying is by the Time Naruto gathered all that Natural energy he would've already lost due to the fact that Madara casts Infinite Tsukuyomi by the time Naruto gathers all that natural energy plus he has CT falling on him and Limbo/Mokuton clones that can keep him busy.
Madara would sense Naruto gathering Natural energy due to the fact that he has Sage Mode, while Sasuke doesn't that's why he didn't know that Naruto was gathering all that energy until it actually transferred.
It's already been said Madara had Rikudo Chakra outside the Juubi by Hagoromo himself. His PS in his final form would put him above Sasuke hypothetically speaking which was matching Naruto's Kyuubi Avatar. Ashura Avatar not gonna happen considering if they fought the fight wouldn't even get that far.
Mokuton is still useful for things like Wood Clones which unlike Limbo clones can actually use all the abilities of the Original. Naruto's Normal Bijuudama can be thrown back right at him with Mokuton considering Rikudo Madara's Mokuton is light years ahead of Hashirama's and Edo Madara's.
Madara was definitely holding back his CT considering the fact that his Chakra didn't even take a dip and he went onto cast IT a couple seconds which requires you to project a Genjutsu on the entire world and then he used God: Nativity of a World of Trees which required Planetary level Mokuton and even after that he still had enough Chakra to keep on fighting Naruto and Sasuke, there's no way in hell that the CT were full-powered.
Madara's regeneration is still really fast, he regrew an Arm and his entire left torso in just a couple seconds without the holy tree. Plus when Madara gets Injured he even get fazed by it. Sasuke bisected him and he was still perfectly fine.
Sasuke I don't know if he'd be able to swap Madara outside of Ribcage Susano'o. He'd just put up a shield with the Truth Seeking balls and hide in them which would act as a Meat Shield. Sasuke can't swap with things he can't see. Madara can just use Fire Style: Art of Hiding in Ash to disable Sasuke of using Amenotejikara.
Madara can swap with a Limbo. Sasuke's Chidori didn't really effect him all that before Madara swapped.
Limbo's are a problem yes and no. Sasuke can't seal them Away like Naruto but he can See them. Sasuke's Rinnegan Techniques are a way smaller scale than Madara's who can create Country Sized Chibaku Tensei Casually. Sure his Chibaku Tensei is more advanced but that's not gonna help him out here.
Pain who could destroy Konoha with ST, Madara would make Pain's ST look like a massive joke. Just compare the difference between Madara's CT and Pain's. There would be the same difference between ST. If he used it at full force it could very well stop Indra's Arrow. I'm not saying it would destroy it but stop it in it's tracks.
Sasuke wasted all his Chakra on Indra's Arrow during his fight with Naruto and he only had enough Chakra use a Chidori and after that he could only use Taijutsu because he was completely drained of Chakra. He couldn't even activate his Sharingan until he absorbed Chakra from Naruto.
I don't think Human Path would work against Madara considering he has a Rinnegan and he can just use Limbo to stop Sasuke if he ever tries to do it. Draining away Madara's Bijuu chakra isn't really gonna work. First of all it would take too long and second of all there's too much of it. You know what happened to Madara when he absorbed too much chakra he became a Ballon same thing would happen with Sasuke. He'd need the Moon and Sun Seals or pull the Bijuu out of Madara which I doubt he can do if I'm not mistaken he would need to be on Good terms with the Bijuu. Plus Sasuke would have drained away all his Bijuu Chakra by using Indra's Arrow so pulling the Bijuu out isn't gonna happen.
PS Mokuton Clones would keep Sasuke busy by being on the defensive while Madara goes and preps a Quad Juubi TBB which would eradicate Sasuke's Bijuu PS and he could use BT to pull Sasuke's Bijuu PS face first into the Juubi TBB.
wait dude what? you are confusing me lol. he used it again against naruto when he came back to life remeber? after madara fought guy. thats the 2nd time he activated it.
im not talking about madara before he became the jj against the bijuu's im talking after.
and your point is that limbo has a recharge time and you are right.but my point is that, that recharge time is almost instant heres the proof again u making me post the same scans its like u ignored them .
here we see madara's limbo going back to him to recharge, this is page 11 of the chapter
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3 pages later, page 14 naruto and sasuke do their next attack, sasuke uses Amenotejikara to instantly blitz madara, but madara's limbo is already good to use and he swaps himself with the limbo preventing naruto and sasuke from using the sage's seal.
the time to recharge limbo was almost instant it was ready before sasuke could even do Amenotejikara
