miscomception:sasori and genjutsu

[Orochimaruofthesound]

Prove its genjutsu...Theres no evidence stating that it is

Proove its not because there is no evidence otherwise

 

[Draphsin]

Proove its not because there is no evidence otherwise

No genjustu turns your eye into a sharingan...your turn

 

[Murasame]

neg rep for the rude response anyways...veins in the eye doesnt mean its genjutsu. Kurama's eyes get

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too did you forget about that??

Anyways, the reason why kurama's eyes turn into sharingan is becuase they are linked to a watered down version of the dojutsu that created them....There's nothing stating otherwise,

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, Its madara using a genjutsu without having any veins in his eyes, making your entire rebuttal invalid

Alright I don't mind go ahead. And alright the vein argument wasn't such a good example but still Madara is using his genjutsu to control the Kyuubi unless you think the Kyuubi wanted to listen to Madara on his own free will which I doubt.
Besides you proved yourself wrong in that manga page. Madara said "The Tailed Beasts are but slaves to those with blessed eyes" Anyways Itachi controlled a woman with genjutsu to separate jiraiya from naruto and she didn't have sharingan in her eyes. Obito controlled a jinchuriki with genjutsu but he didn't have sharingan in his eyes.. Point is its not a requirement to show that someone is under a genjutsu.

 

[Peinwithoutlove]

Proove its not because there is no evidence otherwise

i agree because all evidence links to genjustu controling kurama considering that if tailed beast control was a sharingan techniwque in every eye then they would have been slaughted long before .

 

[Draphsin]

Alright I don't mind go ahead. And alright the vein argument wasn't such a good example but still Madara is using his genjutsu to control the Kyuubi unless you think the Kyuubi wanted to listen to Madara on his own free will which I doubt.
Besides you proved yourself wrong in that manga page. Madara said "The Tailed Beasts are but slaves to those with blessed eyes" Anyways Itachi controlled a woman with genjutsu to separate jiraiya from naruto and she didn't have sharingan in her eyes. Obito controlled a jinchuriki with genjutsu but he didn't have sharingan in his eyes.. Point is its not a requirement to show that someone is under a genjutsu.

@Bold: missing the entire point. Name me 1 genjutsu that changes your eyes into sharingan. You cant becuase there is none. No wiki, databook, or manga has any info on a genjutsu that changes the shape of your eyes into a sharingan. Their eyes turn that way because they are bijuu, and sharingan can control the bijuu, just as the rinnegan can control the empty shell of the juubi. Eyes and beats are linked and thats why they are an exception...

i agree because all evidence links to genjustu controling kurama considering that if tailed beast control was a sharingan techniwque in every eye then they would have been slaughted long before .

lol what evidence??

Why would it change if bijuu control was genjutsu rather than a regular sharingan technique? everybody with a sharingan is shown to have sharingan genjutsu so why werent they slaughtered before even if it was genjutsu? (even though its not)

 

[Murasame]

@Bold: missing the entire point. Name me 1 genjutsu that changes your eyes into sharingan. You cant becuase there is none. No wiki, databook, or manga has any info on a genjutsu that changes the shape of your eyes into a sharingan. Their eyes turn that way because they are bijuu, and sharingan can control the bijuu, just as the rinnegan can control the empty shell of the juubi. Eyes and beats are linked and thats why they are an exception...

I'm not the one saying it does that... I'm just assuming thats what you're telling me right now.. from my view youre saying a sharingan has to be shown in the eye of the victim in the genjutsu but now that you explained it more in detail I get where you're coming from. Anyways either way you still can't argue that it wasn't a genjutsu.. there's a reason why Madara said "The Tailed Beasts are but slaves to those with blessed eyes" in that manga page where he told the kyuubi to obey.. stop ignoring it.. tell me yes or no would the kyuubi willingly listen to Madara in his free will. If not your argument is invalid.

edit: I'll reply to your post tomorrow I'm going to get some sleep.

 

[Orochimaruofthesound]

@Bold: missing the entire point. Name me 1 genjutsu that changes your eyes into sharingan. You cant becuase there is none. No wiki, databook, or manga has any info on a genjutsu that changes the shape of your eyes into a sharingan. Their eyes turn that way because they are bijuu, and sharingan can control the bijuu, just as the rinnegan can control the empty shell of the juubi. Eyes and beats are linked and thats why they are an exception...



lol what evidence??

Why would it change if bijuu control was genjutsu rather than a regular sharingan technique? everybody with a sharingan is shown to have sharingan genjutsu so why werent they slaughtered before even if it was genjutsu? (even though its not)

What manga page has stated it wasnt genjutsu

 

[Draphsin]

What manga page has stated it wasnt genjutsu

Still failing to answer my question...Show me a genjutsu that can morph your eye into a sharingan. Until you do then no such thing exists.

Its harder to prove something rather than to disprove it. So just throwing the same questions that i do to you isnt going to help your situation as you cant prove (even with implacations) that genjutsu is what's used to control bijuu. In fact its stated that you need the

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in order to control the bijuu, so does that mean that you need MS to use sharingan genjutsu??

 

[Orochimaruofthesound]

Still failing to answer my question...Show me a genjutsu that can morph your eye into a sharingan. Until you do the no such thing exists.

show me that one doesnt exist

absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence niether one of us have proof and i can admit it

 

[Murasame]

What manga page has stated it wasnt genjutsu

I already proved him wrong yet he's ignoring me because he knows I'm right.

Still failing to answer my question...Show me a genjutsu that can morph your eye into a sharingan. Until you do then no such thing exists.

Its harder to prove something rather than to disprove it. So just throwing the same questions that i do to you isnt going to help your situation as you cant prove (even with implacations) that genjutsu is what's used to control bijuu. In fact its stated that you need the

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in order to control the bijuu, so does that mean that you need MS to use sharingan genjutsu??

I already gave you proof and an answer yet you chose not to reply and ignore it.

 

[Asami..]

This is a supernatural manga. Nothing is supposed to be based on the real world logic. I mean, is it normal for people to summon dead people or frogs, snakes, slugs, clone themselves, heal from their hands, etc? You are overthinking it. Sasori doesn't have a brain, end of the story. Go ask Kishi for explanation if you want a logical one.

 

[Draphsin]

I'm not the one saying it does that... I'm just assuming thats what you're telling me right now.. from my view youre saying a sharingan has to be shown in the eye of the victim in the genjutsu but now that you explained it more in detail I get where you're coming from. Anyways either way you still can't argue that it wasn't a genjutsu.. there's a reason why Madara said "The Tailed Beasts are but slaves to those with blessed eyes" in that manga page where he told the kyuubi to obey.. stop ignoring it.. tell me yes or no would the kyuubi willingly listen to Madara in his free will. If not your argument is invalid.

If you read the entire thread then you would know the basis of my argument, and i wouldnt have to go on repeating myself. But anyways, the "The Tailed Beasts are but slaves to those with blessed eyes" statement can be referring to just sharingan. Meaning that anybody with a sharingan can control them (becuase everybody with a sharingan has "blessed eyes"). Now as for kurama listening to madara, in that same scan he took the time to listen to hashi, did he put him under genjutsu?

I already proved him wrong yet he's ignoring me because he knows I'm right.

I already gave you proof and an answer yet you chose not to reply and ignore it.

Thats not an answer, kurama "standing still" does not prove that he was under genjutsu, dont think you're right because of that, lol (btw i never ignored you....) Bijuu arent wild animals, they can listen if they want to

show me that one doesnt exist

absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence niether one of us have proof and i can admit it

Answer the other half of my question then, that is proof

 

[Orochimaruofthesound]

This is a supernatural manga. Nothing is supposed to be based on the real world logic. I mean, is it normal for people to summon dead people or frogs, snakes, slugs, clone themselves, heal from their hands, etc? You are overthinking it. Sasori doesn't have a brain, end of the story. Go ask Kishi for explanation if you want a logical one.

just saying the convo has evolved pats sasori but thank you for going back to the real topic

 

[Dissonant Values]

Genjutsu "disturbs" the chakra. Think back to when Obito used his new Sharingan to view Rin's chakra network. So it would follow that all you would need to do is disturb the chakra in Sasori's core. It wouldn't matter how, but it means he's susceptible to Genjutsu.

 

[Draphsin]

Genjutsu "disturbs" the chakra. Think back to when Obito used his new Sharingan to view Rin's chakra network. So it would follow that all you would need to do is disturb the chakra in Sasori's core. It wouldn't matter how, but it means he's susceptible to Genjutsu.

How can they do that, when sasori's eyes arent connected to his core?

 

[Dissonant Values]

How can they do that, when sasori's eyes arent connected to his core?

Interesting quote on the matter actually.

Debatable.

Despite having no brain, he has senses. He can see without having real eyes, hear without having real ears, speak without any kind of vocal cords and think without having a brain. Sasori is a contradiction in terms.

But after all, Genjutsu manipulates the enemy's Chakra. His core appears to contain his Chakra, his senses, his mind, in short: his humanity. His senses and his mind are inside that container, and it's filled with Chakra - therefore I don't see any reason why Genjutsu shouldn't work. Normal rules don't always apply to Naruto.

 

[Draphsin]

Interesting quote on the matter actually.

That is interesting however deidara trained his eye to be immune to genjutsu, yet he can still see from it. Whether sasori can see or not doesnt matter because his eyes arent real eyes, and they dont share the same connection to chakra as they do the senses

 

[Dissonant Values]

That is interesting however deidara trained his eye to be immune to genjutsu, yet he can still see from it. Whether sasori can see or not doesnt matter because his eyes arent real eyes, and they dont share the same connection to chakra as they do the senses

Sasori also doesn't have real legs but can still walk....the point is his chakra core takes over the functions that his normal body parts would oversee. It would only make sense that since its a bundle of chakra, and assuming Genjutsu is the disturbance of Chakra, that if they can directly disrupt the Chakra in Sasori's core then he can be put under the influence of a Genjutsu.

 

[Draphsin]

Sasori also doesn't have real legs but can still walk....the point is his chakra core takes over the functions that his normal body parts would oversee. It would only make sense that since its a bundle of chakra, and assuming Genjutsu is the disturbance of Chakra, that if they can directly disrupt the Chakra in Sasori's core then he can be put under the influence of a Genjutsu.

That core cant be accessed via ocular means, Its like having a screen over your eyes...Another example is SM kabuto, his real eyes were covered with a lense. Sasori's eyes are not real eyes, therefore chakra cant be transmitted through them via normal means. It will bounce off, just as if he was wearing a lense because his eyes are a lense..

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Everyone, it affects chakra flow in the entire body, so i does affect sasori.