Mind altering substances: Yay or nay?

[ShishaMastah420]

So which one are you? Lol

I'm the straight edge, never even watched porn before, don't wanna go blind.

 

[Waindo]

Oh and, Shaggy is the best CN char ever.

I'm outta here.

 

[Forest]

The proven facts(which by the way, I have read most(from reliable sources, of course) and consulted my biology teacher) support my idea, not the one I'm atacking.
The way people smoke weed: As I said, it basically wastes all of "good" part that could be used. Can it be used for medicinal purposes? Yes. Does smoking it, then, benefits your health? NO.

Now, my post isn't restricted to weed only.

True but I said That it tends to get clumped with other substances that are harmful due to lazy generalizations or just ignorance. Yeah I think the smoking aspect is definitely not healthy, inhaling combusted material in general is toxic. but the plant it self can be juiced and created into liquid form, vaporied, cooked.. etc. People that understand this support the legalization of the substance and defend it. They might not think to smoke it but they certainly don't condone it as a whole. I wanted to see if you included them in your statement of hating "drug" supporters. And you are right about free will, You can have your opinion, But I Had to find a way to rationally continue the argument you made. its the majority and a common consensus for people to have that kind of stand on drugs. I wanted to rationally argue against that consensus but to do that I had to change the premise a little bit. But now that we have cleared a couple things up, I see your rational basis. Just as we said before you stand against it, due to research that you have seen, and I the opposite.

 

[Wolfus]

I've actually done my research, and have written a paper on LSD and it isn't an addictive substance, nor does it cause you to do the stupid horrible things that plenty of legal prescription drugs do. Alcohol, and prescription drugs that have far worse side effects than marijuana or LSD, along with a few other psychoactive hallucinogens like mushrooms, peyote, or LSZ, etc..

Here's an interesting statistic. Since marijuana has been legalized in Colorado the Denver crime rate has dropped. Property crime has dropped 14%, the homicide rate has dropped 66%, and robbery rate has dropped 7%. This was in 2013 as well, since then things have only gotten better.

Are you really trying to convince me that LSD doesn't harm one's health? You do realize I'm not talking about the mommentaneous side effects, right?

You do realize that those statistics are expected, at least in the first momment, due to reduction of drug dealing, right?
It would be the same in my country.

I never said anything about legalization. In fact, I'm not against it. Legalize everything. Just don't talk crap and deny facts, nor lie to people.

 

[ShishaMastah420]

Are you really trying to convince me that LSD doesn't harm one's health? You do realize I'm not talking about the mommentaneous side effects, right?

You do realize that those statistics are expected, at least in the first momment, due to reduction of drug dealing, right?
It would be the same in my country.

I never said anything about legalization. In fact, I'm not against it. Legalize everything. Just don't talk crap and deny facts, and lie to people.

I see, shady drug dealing is the culprit; I'll relay that to my senate elect.

 

[Wolfus]

True but I said That it tends to get clumped with other substances that are harmful due to lazy generalizations or just ignorance. Yeah I think the smoking aspect is definitely not healthy, inhaling combusted material in general is toxic. but the plant it self can be juiced and created into liquid form, vaporied, cooked.. etc. People that understand this support the legalization of the substance and defend it. They might not think to smoke it but they certainly don't condone it as a whole. I wanted to see if you included them in your statement of hating "drug" supporters. And you are right about free will, You can have your opinion, But I Had to find a way to rationally continue the argument you made. its the majority and a common consensus for people to have that kind of stand on drugs. I wanted to rationally argue against that consensus but to do that I had to change the premise a little bit. But now that we have cleared a couple things up, I see your rational basis. Just as we said before you stand against it, due to research that you have seen, and I the opposite.

I''m aware of all of what you said, and no, those people wouldn't be included.

Perhaps my previous statement was too harsh, it was in a moment of anger, after all. You'd have to understand my hatred towards some people, and my country's situation to understand where that came from.

You see, in brazil, in some big cities, drug dealers RULE the city. Because of their "minions", many, so many people are killed. Hell, in my city, which is a small city(not now, because I moved to a big city, but until laste year), so many young people died because of such things.

And in here, many, perhaps most people that used drug, specially weed, are what you would call "thugs" and "swaggers"(together).
Then, I tend to amplify my hatred towards every drug addict. I must remember you are from different places.

However, I keep what I said about the stupid thought of "drugs don't harm" and people spreading that idea.

 

[Takure]

I just got back from MardiGrass (if you don't know what this is, than shame on you), so I'ma say that's a yay for the legalization of Weed.

 

[xPHARAOHx]

The proven facts(which by the way, I have read most(from reliable sources, of course) and consulted my biology teacher) support my idea, not the one I'm atacking.
The way people smoke weed: As I said, it basically wastes all of "good" part that could be used. Can it be used for medicinal purposes? Yes. Does smoking it, then, benefits your health? NO.

Now, my post isn't restricted to weed only.

Hey Wolfpuss there's an interesting documentary on Vice about a girl who had cancer Nd nothing was helping it. Chemo, and other medicine wouldn't help. Than the doctor suggested to the parents that they try using cannabis to help put the cancer into remission. Since that child's been using cannabis her cancer has gone into remission and her parents say she was even healthier now than she was before she even had cancer. It is known for a fact that THC the active ingredient in cannabis can stop tumor growth. Cancer patients, and parents with children who have cancer all over the world are now using can is to help combat cancer and they say it's one of the best things ever.

Years ago science claimed that marijuana did all kind of crazy sh!t to you that it really didn't. It was all government propaganda. Now the same science books that contain outdated information from studies from the 60's still haven't upgraded, because since marijuana is still illegal federally the government won't fund enough scientific studies about cannabis. There are still studies just very little.

 

[Wolfus]

Hey Wolfpuss there's an interesting documentary on Vice about a girl who had cancer Nd nothing was helping it. Chemo, and other medicine wouldn't help. Than the doctor suggested to the parents that they try using cannabis to help put the cancer into remission. Since that child's been using cannabis her cancer has gone into remission and her parents say she was even healthier now than she was before she even had cancer. It is known for a fact that THC the active ingredient in cannabis can stop tumor growth. Cancer patients, and parents with children who have cancer all over the world are now using can is to help combat cancer and they say it's one of the best things ever.

Years ago science claimed that marijuana did all kind of crazy sh!t to you that it really didn't. It was all government propaganda. Now the same science books that contain outdated information from studies from the 60's still haven't upgraded, because since marijuana is still illegal federally the government won't fund enough scientific studies about cannabis. There are still studies just very little.

And did the doctor suggest that she smoked it, or is she using it in a different way?

I'm not going to type again everything I did with Invincible. If you're interested in my reply, just read my discussion with him.

 

[Forest]

Hey Wolfpuss there's an interesting documentary on Vice about a girl who had cancer Nd nothing was helping it. Chemo, and other medicine wouldn't help. Than the doctor suggested to the parents that they try using cannabis to help put the cancer into remission. Since that child's been using cannabis her cancer has gone into remission and her parents say she was even healthier now than she was before she even had cancer. It is known for a fact that THC the active ingredient in cannabis can stop tumor growth. Cancer patients, and parents with children who have cancer all over the world are now using can is to help combat cancer and they say it's one of the best things ever.

Years ago science claimed that marijuana did all kind of crazy sh!t to you that it really didn't. It was all government propaganda. Now the same science books that contain outdated information from studies from the 60's still haven't upgraded, because since marijuana is still illegal federally the government won't fund enough scientific studies about cannabis. There are still studies just very little.

no need for name calling dude lol

 

[xPHARAOHx]

Are you really trying to convince me that LSD doesn't harm one's health? You do realize I'm not talking about the mommentaneous side effects, right?

You do realize that those statistics are expected, at least in the first momment, due to reduction of drug dealing, right?
It would be the same in my country.

I never said anything about legalization. In fact, I'm not against it. Legalize everything. Just don't talk crap and deny facts, nor lie to people.

LSD doesn't have lingering side effects. For starters it's not a drug that anybody would want to take everyday, and it can't get you high everyday. You can maybe take it 1-2 a month to get the desirable side effects otherwise you'd be wasting money. Like I've said I've actually done extensive research, you only know what you've heard by word of mouth. Tell me what the lasting side effects of LSD are.

 

[xPHARAOHx]

And did the doctor suggest that she smoked it, or is she using it in a different way?

I'm not going to type again everything I did with Invincible. If you're interested in my reply, just read my discussion with him.

I used to have asthma, but then I started smoking marijuana. My mile run went from 12:00 to 6:38 sec. Due to the way you smoke marijuana it can combat asthma you take large hits that stretch your lungs and it expands them, and it's like a work out for them. 3 months into smoking marijuana everyday, 2-3 times a day I stopped having asthma attacks, that was 7 years ago and I no longer smoke and I no longer have asthma or attacks.

 

[Forest]

LSD doesn't have lingering side effects. For starters it's not a drug that anybody would want to take everyday, and it can't get you high everyday. You can maybe take it 1-2 a month to get the desirable side effects otherwise you'd be wasting money. Like I've said I've actually done extensive research, you only know what you've heard by word of mouth. Tell me what the lasting side effects of LSD are.

LSD is actually known to trigger schizophrenia and dementia in those that have it in their genetic inheritance, and are already predisposed to getting it. Though the sample study was rather small, and it is not at all a guarantee for the majority of it's users, it is true. this was done really really long ago, and todays research has been discontinued... it just one of the Things that come with the pretty package. I guess that isn't a concrete lasting effect... but it is a possible one

 

[Wolfus]

LSD doesn't have lingering side effects. For starters it's not a drug that anybody would want to take everyday, and it can't get you high everyday. You can maybe take it 1-2 a month to get the desirable side effects otherwise you'd be wasting money. Like I've said I've actually done extensive research, you only know what you've heard by word of mouth. Tell me what the lasting side effects of LSD are.

Time and place. Currently, time. I don't have time to make a proper research, not at 10:35 PM.

I used to have asthma, but then I started smoking marijuana. My mile run went from 12:00 to 6:38 sec. Due to the way you smoke marijuana it can combat asthma you take large hits that stretch your lungs and it expands them, and it's like a work out for them. 3 months into smoking marijuana everyday, 2-3 times a day I stopped having asthma attacks, that was 7 years ago and I no longer smoke and I no longer have asthma or attacks.

I'm gonna need way more than a personal "experience" to be convinced. As you must know, there are many not so reliable "personal experiences" that people tell.

 

[xPHARAOHx]

Are you really trying to convince me that LSD doesn't harm one's health? You do realize I'm not talking about the mommentaneous side effects, right?

You do realize that those statistics are expected, at least in the first momment, due to reduction of drug dealing, right?
It would be the same in my country.

I never said anything about legalization. In fact, I'm not against it. Legalize everything. Just don't talk crap and deny facts, nor lie to people.

The government use to claim you could overdose on marijuana, and said there were marijuana related deaths all the time in the 60's. Fast forward to today and we know for a fact that since the beginning of time not one person has ever over-dosed on marijuana. It's literally impossible. F you think text books aren't filled with falsities even today that's your ignorance. My father said when he was in school his textbooks tried to claim the earth was 6,000 years old. That was only 35-45 years ago.

 

[xPHARAOHx]

Time and place. Currently, time. I don't have time to make a proper research, not at 10:35 PM.



I'm gonna need way more than a personal "experience" to be convinced. As you must know, there are many not so reliable "personal experiences" that people tell.

Well if your not willing to research it and your only going to make arguments based on what you've heard and not what you've researched than maybe you shouldn't argue with somebody who's pulling out studies, statistics, and somebody who's done enough research to write a 30 page paper on it.

 

[Wolfus]

Well if your not willing to research it and your only going to make arguments based on what you've heard and not what you've researched than maybe you shouldn't argue with somebody who's pulling out studies, statistics, and somebody who's done enough research to write a 30 page paper on it.

Yeah, I'm not buying that. But I'm not going toi continue my argument without the reserches.

 

[Wolfus]

The government use to claim you could overdose on marijuana, and said there were marijuana related deaths all the time in the 60's. Fast forward to today and we know for a fact that since the beginning of time not one person has ever over-dosed on marijuana. It's literally impossible. F you think text books aren't filled with falsities even today that's your ignorance. My father said when he was in school his textbooks tried to claim the earth was 6,000 years old. That was only 35-45 years ago.

Will you stop the "goverment lying" crap?

I'm not basing myself on statements made 50 years ago that even I wasnt aware off, nor I am basing them on those kinds of books.
The information I have, I got them from recent studies and statements made by my teacher, who happens to have doctorate in biology.

But if you think you know more than these people... Well, everyone can have their mistaken opinions, right?

 

[Booker]

Look at your signature; Now go look in the mirror. Ask yourself? Across the road or down the bridge?

But let's be less sarcastic.

Why don't classes accept books that are not current and up to date?

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But seriously, I'm totally missing your point. I wasn't being sarcastic, and the textbooks are up to date (2013).

 

[Booker]

He means any drug can be. Any over the counter, any prescription, coffee, tea, red bull even. These are all mind altering substances. They all have the ability to change your mood.

Of course, but the effects only become as potent or apparent when you take heavy doses of them.

The drugs we're talking about- Alcohol, Marijuana, LSD- can all radically affect your mental state in comparatively small doses.