Mind altering substances: Yay or nay?

[~WastelandSociety~]

LSD doesn't have lingering side effects. For starters it's not a drug that anybody would want to take everyday, and it can't get you high everyday. You can maybe take it 1-2 a month to get the desirable side effects otherwise you'd be wasting money. Like I've said I've actually done extensive research, you only know what you've heard by word of mouth. Tell me what the lasting side effects of LSD are.

PHYSICAL EFFECTS

Dilated pupils
Higher or lower body temperature
Sweating or chills (“goose bumps”)
Loss of appetite
Sleeplessness
Dry mouth
Tremors

MENTAL
Delusions
Visual hallucinations
An artificial sense of euphoria or certainty
Distortion of one’s sense of time and identity
Impaired depth perception
Impaired time perception, distorted perception of the size and shape of objects, movements, color, sounds, touch and the user’s own body image
Severe, terrifying thoughts and feelings
Fear of losing control
Panic attacks
Flashbacks, or a recurrence of the LSD trip, often without warning long after taking LSD
Severe depression or psychosis

 

[xPHARAOHx]

Will you stop the "goverment lying" crap?

I'm not basing myself on statements made 50 years ago that even I wasnt aware off, nor I am basing them on those kinds of books.
The information I have, I got them from recent studies and statements made by my teacher, who happens to have doctorate in biology.

But if you think you know more than these people... Well, everyone can have their mistaken opinions, right?

Dude so your telling me that you and the person that started thread have teachers that are talking about a substance that is considered to be as unimportant as LSD. now I know your lying just to look like you know what your talking about. I've researched it you haven't. You don't know what your saying I actually do. The positives far outweigh the negatives when it comes to the substances I've talked about. There are plenty of legal prescription drugs out there that have a laundry list of negative side effects, and have a higher potential of those negative side effects actually happening. You can fix ignorance by educating yourself, but you can't fix ignorance that doesn't want to be fixed. The only reason your not agreeing with me is because your set in your ideas. I once had these same ideologies, but decided to educate myself. You keep saying you don't have time to research, but in the time you've spent arguing you could've done enough research to understand that you don't know what your talking about. I doubt there's one text book in any of the courses your taking that has a reference about marijuana, or LSD, or that you professor has even brought up the substances in a class that has nothing to do with them. Explaining this to you is like trying to explain evolution to a Christian, no matter how much evidence I give you'll never want to understand. The only reason you can't understand what I'm talking about, is because you don't want to understand what I'm talking about. If LSD caused mental disorders doctors wouldn't give a single session of it to near death cancer patients due to the risk of that mental illness happening during a time as stressful as the one they're in, and if what your so called "professor" told you were true, the government wouldn't allow it either.

 

[xPHARAOHx]

PHYSICAL EFFECTS

Dilated pupils
Higher or lower body temperature
Sweating or chills (“goose bumps”)
Loss of appetite
Sleeplessness
Dry mouth
Tremors

MENTAL
Delusions
Visual hallucinations
An artificial sense of euphoria or certainty
Distortion of one’s sense of time and identity
Impaired depth perception
Impaired time perception, distorted perception of the size and shape of objects, movements, color, sounds, touch and the user’s own body image
Severe, terrifying thoughts and feelings
Fear of losing control
Panic attacks
Flashbacks, or a recurrence of the LSD trip, often without warning long after taking LSD
Severe depression or psychosis

LSD flashbacks don't really happen that a lie, it won't cause ongoing depression either, or psychosis. If a user has experienced this it's because of some underlying mental illness they had before taking LSD. The other negative, and positive effects you've listed are very plausible., along with a laundry list of others. Go do some extensive research on wether LSD flashbacks are real, and you'll find out they're really not. It can cause fear, paranoia, panic attacks while using it though unfortunately. If I were just acting like I know what I'm talking about and really hadn't done research than I wouldn't be admitting that there are negative side effects just like every other drug(prescription ones as well) out there.

 

[xPHARAOHx]

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But seriously, I'm totally missing your point. I wasn't being sarcastic, and the textbooks are up to date (2013).

Just because the textbooks are from 2013 doesn't mean that they're using references from long ago.

 

[ShishaMastah420]

Just because the textbooks are from 2013 doesn't mean that they're using references from long ago.

One could be cheeky and mention that an up to date textbook cannot be from 2013 when we are currently in the year 2014; But that's semantics.

This thread has a feel to it, kinda like; Jedi Master Yoda trying to teach English to a deaf Chinese man.

 

[danksy]

What about positive mind altering substances? eg. Waklert. aka Modafinil.

Waklert (Modafinil) increases my productivity and focus, it doubles my ability to make sales in my work, its basically the peak of a Cofee without the jitteryness and crash, (side effects are little to none from my own experience.)

Now heres the fun part, I also love to smoke weed. But weed usually makes me tired and lazy AF. So when i take a waklert and smoke weed together, it becomes the best of both worlds- Im high as ****, however im not tired and i still have the energy and focus to do everything i need to do.

If you you're interested in Waklert, look it up. If after that you want to buy some, Pm me - as it is hard to find, unless you know where to look.)

 

[Trollasaur]

I think it's a tad bit pathetic, I never touched them or think about them.

But to be honest, someone could proably convince me to try them. I don't really care eitherway.

 

[Tantalus Thief]

I feel that people can do as they want. If they want to use the substances, that's their choice, if they don't want to, that's fine as well. Each person should be able to decide on their own, and as long as people have it under control, I don't see too much harm in taking in some of the stuff you mentioned from time to time.
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Out of curiosity, have you tried out any of the substances you listed yourself? Not trying to start an argument, or anything of the sort, I'm just curious.
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OP: I would not want to try these mind altering substances. But I'd would try a stimulation that does not harm me and just exposes to me to how my vision and mind would be like.

 

[FourthSmokage]

I would just like to add a little backstory on me to explain why I support Recreational and Medical Marijuana so heavily.

My father died of cancer, specifically Lymphoma when I was 2 years old. This was in the 90s when marijuana legislation was a fresher idea. Lymphoma, when caught late, requires relatively heavy chemotherapy treatment, which has awful side effects. I've seen pictures of my dad and he grew very skinny and lean after he started treatment, it was painful to just look at a picture of him like that.

From what my mom and older siblings say, the marijuana that doctors prescribed to my father put him out of a lot of the pain that he was going through. He was able to eat, to be in a state where he could talk with his family, and most importantly of all, able to cope. I know that the medicine made my father's passing a lot less painful than it could have been. And as long as Marijuana has the potential to make as much of a difference as it did for my father, it shouldn't be illegal, in my opinion.

 

[cptenn94]

I would say nay to mind altering substances.

I support people being free to do what they want as long as they do not affect someone else.
But useing mind altering substances DOES affect others. Whether it is your family, or kids or whether it is just by the decisions you choose to make because of the mind altering.

Our worlds current state of affairs(crazy high debts etc) is largely a result of the hippy drug movement(talking about lsd etc.)
The drugs left many people unable to THINK AND REASON. Instead it just made them act on emotions more than logical thought. And then that generation failed at properly teaching the next generation. Now you just have massive amounts of people who think they know a lot, but do not even know basic things such as the first 10 ammendments, or the first THREE presidents. Things that they should easily be able to know, if they were educated well at all.

So simply here is what I think. I think non violent mind altering substances should be allowed, if the person takeing them is willing to give up some of their freedoms.. And perhaps if they can be rehabilitated, then they can regain those freedoms. (Im talking about FREEDOMS, not RIGHTS. They would all still get the RIGHTS given to them via the constitution. They would just lose freedoms/privledges to compensate for their changed judgement.)


I would support if they made a mind altering drug to HELP people such as schizophrenic or bipolar people, become more normal.(only ACTUAL serious disorders. No mind altering drugs for a "adhd kid") And these drugs would be ONLY for the people they are prescribed to.


Perhaps mild mind altering substances may be okay.

But there are plenty of people who are damaged to much from this kind of stuff.


So simply. Just free use of mind altering drugs without any tradeoffs, is what a biased person with drugs would say.
No drugs period is what a biased person who does not want drugs would say.

Both have valid reasons for both of their opinions. Useing reasoning, you can come to a conclusion, that allows the drugs, while haveing tradeoffs or restriction. Research would be done to study the full effects of what each does. Checks and balances need to happen. I know many people who have been affected by the drugs, both good and bad.

I may choose to refrain from these types of things. But others should be able to do them. With proper regulation and trade off.(I think that this should be a city county or state level decision. NOT a federal one.)

 

[Dantee]

I'm still wondering why weed isn't legal. It's the like the best thing on this planet.